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Rogue and herbalism?
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Ville-Matti Kiili
2006-06-20 08:36:33 UTC
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Few weeks ago I created a new character, a night-elf rogue. It has been
the funniest character I've played so far. The professions are skinning
and mining, because I wanted to maximize the income and crafting
professions seem to be just expensive hobbies. However, yesterday I did
the poison quest and got a recipe for thistle tea. Thistle tea is very
nice, but swiftthistle is expensive in AH, so it would be better to
collect it myself. Now I'm tempted to switch from mining to herbalism.
Is there any other reason for a rogue to have a herbalism as a profession?
Kareena
2006-06-20 08:57:22 UTC
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Post by Ville-Matti Kiili
Few weeks ago I created a new character, a night-elf rogue. It has been
the funniest character I've played so far. The professions are skinning
and mining, because I wanted to maximize the income and crafting
professions seem to be just expensive hobbies. However, yesterday I did
the poison quest and got a recipe for thistle tea. Thistle tea is very
nice, but swiftthistle is expensive in AH, so it would be better to
collect it myself. Now I'm tempted to switch from mining to herbalism.
Is there any other reason for a rogue to have a herbalism as a profession?
From what I know, a herbalist rogue can make his own poisons througout
the game, obviously a money saving tactic. There are other useful
potions that give +armour, +agility, +spped (good for pvp) and more.
Also, it can be a nice money maker if you get the right recipes such as
Greater Fire Resistance Potion.
Doppleganger
2006-06-20 09:35:20 UTC
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Post by Kareena
Post by Ville-Matti Kiili
Few weeks ago I created a new character, a night-elf rogue. It has been
the funniest character I've played so far. The professions are skinning
and mining, because I wanted to maximize the income and crafting
professions seem to be just expensive hobbies. However, yesterday I did
the poison quest and got a recipe for thistle tea. Thistle tea is very
nice, but swiftthistle is expensive in AH, so it would be better to
collect it myself. Now I'm tempted to switch from mining to herbalism.
Is there any other reason for a rogue to have a herbalism as a profession?
From what I know, a herbalist rogue can make his own poisons througout
the game, obviously a money saving tactic. There are other useful
potions that give +armour, +agility, +spped (good for pvp) and more.
Also, it can be a nice money maker if you get the right recipes such as
Greater Fire Resistance Potion.
Rogues buy the mats for poisons from shady dealers, not picked from
herbalism, so there's no money savings from it.

The obvious benefits are swiftthistle and fadeleaf, two mats needed by
rogues (and if you're a rogue and don't use either, start NOW)

The other benefit is money, from selling herbs, or having an alt or
friend make potions from the herbs.

Rogues are great for any gathering profession, as they can stealth into
places others have to fight to get to, so you have better odds of
getting the rarer and harder to get stuff.

I've done both herbalsim and mining on my 60 rogue, herbalism by far
made the most money, consistently. Mining not so much, as you need to
mine a lot of ore to make any kind of huge profit, and arcane crystals
rare and you're fighting professional farmers for the nodes. In 4 months
of mining, I've found 3 crystals, and farmed a LOT of nodes. Mining to
me only makes sense if you pair it with blacksmithing, or have a lot of
time to seek out and camp the rich thorium nodes for ore and arcane
crystals, or have a lot of time to grind nodes everywhere for the lesser
gemstones and ores.

Or, if you want to work on Thorium Brotherhood rep. I would'nt bother,
unless you want the patterns.

Once I get my darkmoon faire trinket with dense grinding stones, I'm
switching to herbalism/skinning for pure profit from farming, until the
expansion, when I'll look at jewelcrafting.
ASKF
2006-06-20 13:20:55 UTC
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Doppleganger ytrede sig i
Post by Doppleganger
Post by Kareena
Post by Ville-Matti Kiili
Few weeks ago I created a new character, a night-elf rogue. It has been
the funniest character I've played so far. The professions are skinning
and mining, because I wanted to maximize the income and crafting
professions seem to be just expensive hobbies. However, yesterday I did
the poison quest and got a recipe for thistle tea. Thistle tea is very
nice, but swiftthistle is expensive in AH, so it would be better to
collect it myself. Now I'm tempted to switch from mining to herbalism.
Is there any other reason for a rogue to have a herbalism as a profession?
From what I know, a herbalist rogue can make his own poisons througout
the game, obviously a money saving tactic. There are other useful
potions that give +armour, +agility, +spped (good for pvp) and more.
Also, it can be a nice money maker if you get the right recipes such as
Greater Fire Resistance Potion.
Rogues buy the mats for poisons from shady dealers, not picked from
herbalism, so there's no money savings from it.
The obvious benefits are swiftthistle and fadeleaf, two mats needed by
rogues (and if you're a rogue and don't use either, start NOW)
The other benefit is money, from selling herbs, or having an alt or
friend make potions from the herbs.
Rogues are great for any gathering profession, as they can stealth into
places others have to fight to get to, so you have better odds of
getting the rarer and harder to get stuff.
Yeah, it's quite common for rogues to solo instances for mines or herbs,
where other classes need a full party or even a raid to get just a few
steps from the entrence.

My experience tells me that Herbalism and Alchemy are the best
moneymakers, and you don't even have to get the rare recepies, because
herbs sell well and a lot of common potions do too.
Post by Doppleganger
I've done both herbalsim and mining on my 60 rogue, herbalism by far
made the most money, consistently. Mining not so much, as you need to
mine a lot of ore to make any kind of huge profit, and arcane crystals
rare and you're fighting professional farmers for the nodes. In 4 months
of mining, I've found 3 crystals, and farmed a LOT of nodes. Mining to
me only makes sense if you pair it with blacksmithing, or have a lot of
time to seek out and camp the rich thorium nodes for ore and arcane
crystals, or have a lot of time to grind nodes everywhere for the lesser
gemstones and ores.
Mining goes well with both Blacksmithing and Engeneering (the latter is
pretty good for Paladins, to make them have ranged attacks).
Post by Doppleganger
Or, if you want to work on Thorium Brotherhood rep. I would'nt bother,
unless you want the patterns.
Once I get my darkmoon faire trinket with dense grinding stones, I'm
switching to herbalism/skinning for pure profit from farming, until the
expansion, when I'll look at jewelcrafting.
I'm having Mining and Skinning at my Druid for the same reason - I don't
like pure melee classes, but since a feral Druid is just as good at
stealthing to the hard to get to nodes, it seemed to be the choice, so I
could be ready with a char for Jewelcrafting.

I'm also saving all gems, because I believe they will be used for the
lower skill levels of Jewelcrafting, thus they'll become a big
moneymaker in the first time after the expansion launches (we will know
more when the expansion goes into beta-testing).
--
Allan Stig Kiilerich Frederiksen
"When you try to change a mans paradigm, you must keep in mind that he
can hear you only through the filter of the paradigm he holds."
-Myron Tribus
Ashen Shugar
2006-06-20 09:02:49 UTC
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I think it was ville-***@kiieispammia.li.invalid (Ville-Matti Kiili)
that wrote something like...
Post by Ville-Matti Kiili
Few weeks ago I created a new character, a night-elf rogue. It has been
the funniest character I've played so far. The professions are skinning
and mining, because I wanted to maximize the income and crafting
professions seem to be just expensive hobbies. However, yesterday I did
the poison quest and got a recipe for thistle tea. Thistle tea is very
nice, but swiftthistle is expensive in AH, so it would be better to
collect it myself. Now I'm tempted to switch from mining to herbalism.
Is there any other reason for a rogue to have a herbalism as a profession?
Well, fadeleaf can also be picked as a herb, and it's used for the
Rogues "blind" ability.

Ashen Shugar
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The lions sing and the hills take flight.
The moon by day, and the sun by night.
Blind woman, deaf man, jackdaw fool.
Let the Lord of Chaos rule!
PhilHibbs
2006-06-20 09:35:47 UTC
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...However, yesterday I did
the poison quest and got a recipe for thistle tea. Thistle tea is very
nice, but swiftthistle is expensive in AH, so it would be better to
collect it myself. Now I'm tempted to switch from mining to herbalism.
Is there any other reason for a rogue to have a herbalism as a profession?
Fadeleaf, and also it's a reliable money-maker, although you'll miss
out on all those lovely Arcane Crystals. Also you can use a herb bag to
carry your loot, although if you're doing it for the money then you
won't need a big bag for your herbs. You're unlikely to fill more than
8 to 12 slots on a long day's money gathering.

Swiftthistle is fairly rare, so gathering it will be quite tedious,
it's only really found in 10-20 areas like The Barrens or The Wetlands.
When you are tougher, you might be better spending the same time
gathering higher-level resources for more money, selling them, and
buying swiftthistle with the proceeds.

Phil Hibbs.
ASKF
2006-06-20 13:28:08 UTC
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Post by PhilHibbs
...However, yesterday I did
the poison quest and got a recipe for thistle tea. Thistle tea is very
nice, but swiftthistle is expensive in AH, so it would be better to
collect it myself. Now I'm tempted to switch from mining to herbalism.
Is there any other reason for a rogue to have a herbalism as a profession?
Fadeleaf, and also it's a reliable money-maker, although you'll miss
out on all those lovely Arcane Crystals. Also you can use a herb bag to
carry your loot, although if you're doing it for the money then you
won't need a big bag for your herbs. You're unlikely to fill more than
8 to 12 slots on a long day's money gathering.
Swiftthistle is fairly rare, so gathering it will be quite tedious,
it's only really found in 10-20 areas like The Barrens or The Wetlands.
When you are tougher, you might be better spending the same time
gathering higher-level resources for more money, selling them, and
buying swiftthistle with the proceeds.
They're just as common in the Stonetalone Mountains as in Barrens.

Blizz has actually made Mageroyal nodes drop Swiftthistle too, in both
Barrens and Silverpine Forrest. I'm not sure when this started, because
I don't remember ever getting one but from Briathorn when I leveled my
Priest in those areas (between patch 1.8 and 1.9), but I'm getting them
now with my Mage.
--
Allan Stig Kiilerich Frederiksen
"When you try to change a mans paradigm, you must keep in mind that he
can hear you only through the filter of the paradigm he holds."
-Myron Tribus
b***@yahoo.com
2006-06-20 13:50:46 UTC
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Post by ASKF
Blizz has actually made Mageroyal nodes drop Swiftthistle too, in both
Barrens and Silverpine Forrest. I'm not sure when this started, because
I don't remember ever getting one but from Briathorn when I leveled my
Priest in those areas (between patch 1.8 and 1.9), but I'm getting them
now with my Mage.
Confirmed re: Mageroyal and Swiftthistle. My NE Rogue just found
swiftthistle twice in Darkshore when harvesting mageroyal in the last
48 hours.

Alchemy is a great early-production skill. You can buff yourself up
with 3 or 4 different types of potions at virtually no cost, early in
the game -- and this doesn't even account for healing potions.

Contrast this with leatherworking or blacksmithing, where you're
finding better drops almost immediately than you can produce.
Devast8or
2006-06-20 14:12:48 UTC
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Post by ASKF
Blizz has actually made Mageroyal nodes drop Swiftthistle too, in both
Barrens and Silverpine Forrest. I'm not sure when this started, because
I don't remember ever getting one but from Briathorn when I leveled my
Priest in those areas (between patch 1.8 and 1.9), but I'm getting them
now with my Mage.
You can also get swiftthisthle from Kingsblood.

Devast8or
ASKF
2006-06-21 13:19:29 UTC
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Post by Devast8or
Post by ASKF
Blizz has actually made Mageroyal nodes drop Swiftthistle too, in both
Barrens and Silverpine Forrest. I'm not sure when this started, because
I don't remember ever getting one but from Briathorn when I leveled my
Priest in those areas (between patch 1.8 and 1.9), but I'm getting them
now with my Mage.
You can also get swiftthisthle from Kingsblood.
Sounds like I should harvest Kingsblood in the lower level zones.

Atm. I'm farming for yet another char to get some Thoriom Brotherhood
reputation (I doubt I'll ever get Exaulted due to the amount of Dark
Iron Ore needed).
--
Allan Stig Kiilerich Frederiksen
"When you try to change a mans paradigm, you must keep in mind that he
can hear you only through the filter of the paradigm he holds."
-Myron Tribus
PhilHibbs
2006-06-22 15:31:56 UTC
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Post by Devast8or
You can also get swiftthisthle from Kingsblood.
I don't remember seeing that, and I collected a lot of Kingsblood for
the Thorium bloke! Most of mine has come from Mageroyal, some from
Briarthorn.

Phil.
Apoptygma
2006-06-24 00:53:25 UTC
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Does the problem where you can only select either detect ore or detect
herbs exist? IF so how does anyone use herbalism and mining together?
Marshall
2006-06-24 01:03:42 UTC
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Post by Apoptygma
Does the problem where you can only select either detect ore or detect
herbs exist? IF so how does anyone use herbalism and mining together?
Yes, it exists. Only one detection can be used at a time. It's quite possible to
swap between them, depending on what kind of area you're in- places with
more herbs, use that detection. Places with more ore, use ore detection. And
you'll usually have one or the other skill at a higher level, so if your skill
at mining falls behind your skill at herbalism, then leave the ore detector
turned on until you catch up. You'll see plenty of each visually anyway,
without having to use the detector. It'll take you more time and effort to
level both up this way, but once you do, you'll be able to harvest which-
ever you please, in high-end areas. Or not. Your choice.
-Marshall
Apoptygma
2006-06-24 04:14:22 UTC
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Post by Marshall
Yes, it exists. Only one detection can be used at a time. It's quite possible to
swap between them, depending on what kind of area you're in- places with
more herbs, use that detection. Places with more ore, use ore detection. And
you'll usually have one or the other skill at a higher level, so if your skill
at mining falls behind your skill at herbalism, then leave the ore detector
turned on until you catch up. You'll see plenty of each visually anyway,
without having to use the detector. It'll take you more time and effort to
level both up this way, but once you do, you'll be able to harvest which-
ever you please, in high-end areas. Or not. Your choice.
-Marshall
Yea i don't think i could handle knowing i'd just walked past a rare
node because i had the other detection on. hence why i have never and
will never give a hunter either mining or herbalism
Marshall
2006-06-24 17:52:18 UTC
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Post by Apoptygma
Post by Marshall
Yes, it exists. Only one detection can be used at a time. It's quite possible to
swap between them, depending on what kind of area you're in- places with
more herbs, use that detection. Places with more ore, use ore detection. And
you'll usually have one or the other skill at a higher level, so if your skill
at mining falls behind your skill at herbalism, then leave the ore detector
turned on until you catch up. You'll see plenty of each visually anyway,
without having to use the detector. It'll take you more time and effort to
level both up this way, but once you do, you'll be able to harvest which-
ever you please, in high-end areas. Or not. Your choice.
-Marshall
Yea i don't think i could handle knowing i'd just walked past a rare
node because i had the other detection on. hence why i have never and
will never give a hunter either mining or herbalism.
Erm, I suspect you meant 'both', instead of 'either'?
-Marshall
Catriona R
2006-06-24 19:58:05 UTC
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Post by Marshall
Post by Apoptygma
Yea i don't think i could handle knowing i'd just walked past a rare
node because i had the other detection on. hence why i have never and
will never give a hunter either mining or herbalism.
Erm, I suspect you meant 'both', instead of 'either'?
Nope he means "either" beacause hunters can track mobs (not at the same
time as ores/herbs), so will end up missing things. I have mining on my
hunter and it's a pain, I'm switching all the time but still miss things.
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Sgoildubh - Human Mage (lvl 43)
Sealgair - Dwarf Hunter (lvl 33)
Marshall
2006-06-25 03:57:47 UTC
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Post by Catriona R
Post by Marshall
Post by Apoptygma
Yea i don't think i could handle knowing i'd just walked past a rare
node because i had the other detection on. hence why i have never and
will never give a hunter either mining or herbalism.
Erm, I suspect you meant 'both', instead of 'either'?
Nope he means "either" beacause hunters can track mobs (not at the same
time as ores/herbs), so will end up missing things. I have mining on my
hunter and it's a pain, I'm switching all the time but still miss things.
LOL! I use my eyes and mouse to look around me, to track mobs. Hunters
make great herbalists, and mine does fine at it. When she really needs
mob tracking, it's usually in an instance. Tracking mobs in the field is for
those who don't know how to pay attention to their surroundings ;-) It
works fine for me, anyway.
-Marshall
Catriona R
2006-06-25 11:48:50 UTC
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Post by Marshall
Post by Catriona R
Post by Marshall
Post by Apoptygma
Yea i don't think i could handle knowing i'd just walked past a rare
node because i had the other detection on. hence why i have never and
will never give a hunter either mining or herbalism.
Erm, I suspect you meant 'both', instead of 'either'?
Nope he means "either" beacause hunters can track mobs (not at the same
time as ores/herbs), so will end up missing things. I have mining on my
hunter and it's a pain, I'm switching all the time but still miss things.
LOL! I use my eyes and mouse to look around me, to track mobs. Hunters
make great herbalists, and mine does fine at it. When she really needs
mob tracking, it's usually in an instance. Tracking mobs in the field is for
those who don't know how to pay attention to their surroundings ;-) It
works fine for me, anyway.
True, but I guess those who've never played anything other than a hunter
aren't used to looking out for mobs the normal way - I tend to leave track
ores on myself a lot, but if I'm in an area with wandering mobs I track
whatever their mob type is so I don't get jumped.
--
EU-Draenor:
Balgair - Human Rogue (lvl 60)
Sagart - Undead Priest (lvl 43)
Sgoildubh - Human Mage (lvl 43)
Sealgair - Dwarf Hunter (lvl 33)
Don Reese
2006-07-02 14:34:52 UTC
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Post by Marshall
LOL! I use my eyes and mouse to look around me, to track mobs. Hunters
make great herbalists, and mine does fine at it. When she really needs
mob tracking, it's usually in an instance. Tracking mobs in the field is for
those who don't know how to pay attention to their surroundings ;-) It
works fine for me, anyway.
-Marshall
Tracking mobs in the field is also for those who want to be able to
pick out the specific mob they need for the quest they're on (or for
the leather/feather/other crafting drops) quicker so they can move on.
:)

Sure, you can be a Hunter and Herbalist/Miner. It just happens to be a
pain, as mentioned in prior posts.

Don

P.S. I'm sure Track Humanoids is pretty handy for those on PvP servers
who'd rather not get jumped while picking Mageroyal. :)
--
Tansi, 60 Orc Hunter, Bronzebeard
Tiomi, 60 Tauren Shaman, Bronzebeard
Eseer, 57 Troll Mage, Bronzebeard
Numerous others < 40, Bronzebeard, Moonrunner

Marshall
2006-06-20 14:24:41 UTC
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Post by Ville-Matti Kiili
Few weeks ago I created a new character, a night-elf rogue. It has been
the funniest character I've played so far. The professions are skinning
and mining, because I wanted to maximize the income and crafting
professions seem to be just expensive hobbies. However, yesterday I did
the poison quest and got a recipe for thistle tea. Thistle tea is very
nice, but swiftthistle is expensive in AH, so it would be better to
collect it myself. Now I'm tempted to switch from mining to herbalism.
Is there any other reason for a rogue to have a herbalism as a profession?
Sure. There are places where rare high-end herbs grow that are most
easily accessible and harvestable by a stealth char. Same with mining.
I'd dump the skinning, myself.
-Marshall
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