How much is the Hallowed Helm worth to you?

[cryptoguy]

At the moment, the only thing between me and the Violet Protodrake
310% mount is getting the Hallowed Helm in the approaching Hallow's
End event.

It seems to drop at about a 7% rate in the Headless Horseman event,
which is similar to the Coren Direbrew event in Brewfest (ie, doable
by each member of a 5 person group). It can also be got at about a
1.5% rate from the Treat Bags obtainable hourly from innkeepers, and
1.5% in the daily Smashing Pumpkins event. BTW, the HH is being buffed
to 80, like Coren.

I'm thinking of telling people at the start of the HH event that if
they get the Helm, not to equip it until they talk to me; I'd offer
them a good price.

How much would it take to get you to hand over the helm?

On the Blizzard boards, some people are saying they'd offer 25k for
the horseman's mount, and others are saying they wouldn't take it.

pt

[Orion Ryder]

Post by cryptoguy
At the moment, the only thing between me and the Violet Protodrake
310% mount is getting the Hallowed Helm in the approaching Hallow's
End event.
It seems to drop at about a 7% rate in the Headless Horseman event,
which is similar to the Coren Direbrew event in Brewfest (ie, doable
by each member of a 5 person group). It can also be got at about a
1.5% rate from the Treat Bags obtainable hourly from innkeepers, and
1.5% in the daily Smashing Pumpkins event. BTW, the HH is being buffed
to 80, like Coren.
I'm thinking of telling people at the start of the HH event that if
they get the Helm, not to equip it until they talk to me; I'd offer
them a good price.
How much would it take to get you to hand over the helm?
On the Blizzard boards, some people are saying they'd offer 25k for
the horseman's mount, and others are saying they wouldn't take it.
pt

If you needed the helm for the drake like this I would not roll
against you.

[twk]

In article

Post by Orion Ryder

Post by cryptoguy
At the moment, the only thing between me and the Violet Protodrake
310% mount is getting the Hallowed Helm in the approaching Hallow's
End event.
It seems to drop at about a 7% rate in the Headless Horseman event,
which is similar to the Coren Direbrew event in Brewfest (ie, doable
by each member of a 5 person group). It can also be got at about a
1.5% rate from the Treat Bags obtainable hourly from innkeepers, and
1.5% in the daily Smashing Pumpkins event. BTW, the HH is being buffed
to 80, like Coren.
I'm thinking of telling people at the start of the HH event that if
they get the Helm, not to equip it until they talk to me; I'd offer
them a good price.
How much would it take to get you to hand over the helm?
On the Blizzard boards, some people are saying they'd offer 25k for
the horseman's mount, and others are saying they wouldn't take it.
pt

If you needed the helm for the drake like this I would not roll
against you.

If I won the Protodrake, it would cost you at least as much as any
premium mount would cost, to buy it from me. The Traveler's Tundra
Mammoth for example. I'd sell the drake to the highest bidder starting
at 19,000 gold, so I could replace the drake with the mammoth.

This seems fair, no?

[Yeechang Lee]

Post by cryptoguy
On the Blizzard boards, some people are saying they'd offer 25k for
the horseman's mount, and others are saying they wouldn't take it.

That's . . . sad. Yes, I was fortunate enough to get a horseman's
mount last year, on the first night. Yes, I think it's the best mount
in the game--better than Ashes of A'lar, Anzu's mount, or Rivendare's
Deathcharger--due to its versatility.

Would I have paid 25K or even 2.5K for one, even though I could easily
afford even the former price? Would I be posting screeds complaining
about drop rates and how Blizzard needs to make sure everyone who
wants a "rare" mount can eventually get one? Absolutely not. Once
again, the obsessive craving for mounts that so many players have both
amuses and mystifies me; nothing I wrote exactly a year ago in
<URL:http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.warcraft/msg/fdf89c9b87f3209f>
has changed.

[Shiflet]

Once again, the obsessive craving for mounts that so many players have
both
amuses and mystifies me; nothing I wrote exactly a year ago in

You don't understand people wanting to collect things? Okay, it's dumb to
complain about the drop rates, the comparitive rarity is what is supposed to
make those mounts "special". But why is collecting mounts or pets any
sillier to you than someone who collects stamps, or coins, or comics, or
trading cards, or even pull a Jay Leno and collect cars? I would happily pay
2.5k for the Horseman's mount, though I'm not posting about the droprate
needing to be changed, either.

[Yeechang Lee]

Post by Shiflet
You don't understand people wanting to collect things? Okay, it's dumb to
complain about the drop rates, the comparitive rarity is what is supposed to
make those mounts "special". But why is collecting mounts or pets any
sillier to you than someone who collects stamps, or coins, or comics, or
trading cards, or even pull a Jay Leno and collect cars? I would happily pay
2.5k for the Horseman's mount, though I'm not posting about the droprate
needing to be changed, either.

That's very fair. And, on second thought, for a mount as versatile
(and thus unique) as the Horseman's mount, I would indeed pay 2.5k
given how much gold I have if I didn't have one already.

I'm talking more about those people who

* complained incessantly about the droprate for the Brewfest mounts,
enough for them to be removed from the achievement (since, you know,
getting an achievement is a Constitutional right)
* have killed Baron Rivendare many hundreds or thousands of times (no
exaggeration)
* steal a rare mount when one drops
* spend eight hours a day for many weeks searching the Storm Peaks for
the Time-Lost Proto-Drake (again, no exaggeration)
* constantly talk about getting "their" mount in Brewfest (almost
always, the Kodo) and other groups

I've soloed Stratholme for Rivendare's mount a couple of times, more
for the novelty value (which wore off very, very quickly) than
anything else; the thought of doing it even a dozen times is
numbing. If a mount drops in a group that I don't have, sure, I'll
roll for it. But the mindset that motivates the behavior I list above
is nothing less than compulsion of an unhealthy sort.

[Shiflet]

Post by Yeechang Lee
* complained incessantly about the droprate for the Brewfest mounts,
enough for them to be removed from the achievement (since, you know,
getting an achievement is a Constitutional right)

Well, I didn't get either Brewfest mount, dissappointing, but not entirely
unexpected. I figure I'll just try again next time.

Post by Yeechang Lee
* have killed Baron Rivendare many hundreds or thousands of times (no
exaggeration)

I'd do that, if it was faster for me. As it is, it just takes too long.

Post by Yeechang Lee
* steal a rare mount when one drops

Isn't it kinda hard to steal a rare mount? I'm fairly sure everyone doing
the Brewfest run(or Rivendare, or Anzu, wtc) already have a mount of some
sort, so it's not like one person deserves it more than anyone else in a
group, it's not like a priest needing plate in an Uld run... Maybe it's just
on my servers, but typically, anyone going on a rare mount run is expected
to need roll on the mount(unless one person is specifically paying another
person to run THEM and give them alone a shot at the mount, in which case
yeah that would be stealing if the runner rolled on it).

Post by Yeechang Lee
* spend eight hours a day for many weeks searching the Storm Peaks for
the Time-Lost Proto-Drake (again, no exaggeration)

Yeah, I'd like it, but my searching for it basically just consists of
spamming a target macro anytime I happen to be passing through Storm Peaks.

Post by Yeechang Lee
* constantly talk about getting "their" mount in Brewfest (almost
always, the Kodo) and other groups

Well, they're not THAT special, at least to me. A friend of mine recently
got Rivendare's mount, he mentioned it to me, but that was the last I heard
about it.

[Urbin]

Post by cryptoguy
At the moment, the only thing between me and the Violet Protodrake
310% mount is getting the Hallowed Helm in the approaching Hallow's
End event.
It seems to drop at about a 7% rate in the Headless Horseman event,
which is similar to the Coren Direbrew event in Brewfest (ie, doable
by each member of a 5 person group). It can also be got at about a
1.5% rate from the Treat Bags obtainable hourly from innkeepers, and
1.5% in the daily Smashing Pumpkins event. BTW, the HH is being buffed
to 80, like Coren.
I'm thinking of telling people at the start of the HH event that if
they get the Helm, not to equip it until they talk to me; I'd offer
them a good price.

Do you actually need to equip it for the achievment? Or just to win it?

In any case, can't you hand over BoP stuff to other group members even after
equipping it, provided you do not enchant or gem it? If that also applies
for the hallowed helm, then the person who gets it can equip it and then
pass it on to another person (I don't think the pass-on feature chains, does
it?).

Post by cryptoguy
How much would it take to get you to hand over the helm?

If the passing on of the helm did not work and I needed it for the
achievment, I wouldn't pass it on for any money you'd offer. If I already
had the achievment, I wouldn't roll for it in the first place.

If I needed the achievment and the helm could be passed on after wearing and
I won the roll, I'd equip it and then hand it on to somebody for free.

Post by cryptoguy
On the Blizzard boards, some people are saying they'd offer 25k for
the horseman's mount, and others are saying they wouldn't take it.

I wouldn't pay that much and if I won it in a fair roll I wouldn't sell it,
no matter for which amount. Though 25k might tempt me, that would mean the
mammoth-with-vendors + change instead of the mount :-)

Cheers
Urbin

[cryptoguy]

Post by Urbin

 At the moment, the only thing between me and the Violet Protodrake
 310% mount is getting the Hallowed Helm in the approaching Hallow's
 End event.
 It seems to drop at about a 7% rate in the Headless Horseman event,
 which is similar to the Coren Direbrew event in Brewfest (ie, doable
 by each member of a 5 person group). It can also be got at about a
 1.5% rate from the Treat Bags obtainable hourly from innkeepers, and
 1.5% in the daily Smashing Pumpkins event. BTW, the HH is being buffed
 to 80, like Coren.
 I'm thinking of telling people at the start of the HH event that if
 they get the Helm, not to equip it until they talk to me; I'd offer
 them a good price.

Do you actually need to equip it for the achievment? Or just to win it?
In any case, can't you hand over BoP stuff to other group members even after
equipping it, provided you do not enchant or gem it? If that also applies
for the hallowed helm, then the person who gets it can equip it and then
pass it on to another person (I don't think the pass-on feature chains, does
it?).

That's a damn good question. I found this in the Wowhead thread for
the achievement:

- start quote -

By Dreekenail 9 hr 6 min ago (Patch 3.2.2)
I can confirm, as with brewfest "A Brew-FAST Mount" achievement, and
"Get-to-Choppa!" achievement, part of your idea will work. If someone
wins the roll, they will get credit for having obtained that item on
the achievement list. That item can be passed to another person, BUT,
it will only count for that person if they "learn" to summon the pet
(aka two people max per squashling pet drop) Passing it around for the
pet is not enough to earn the achievement, just like the chopper and
the ram/kodo.

Please note: it is unknown if the same is true for the helm, but i
imagine if everyone went around in a circle and put on the helm, it
would count for everyone in the group as long as it is equiped. As
with most achievements, with few restricted exceptions, it is not
required to have both at the same time, and one item will remain
"green" aka complete, after a tradeoff.
Last edited by Dreekenail 9 hr 2 min ago (Patch 3.2.2)

- end quote -

The Sinister Calling achievement (which is required for the meta,
which is required for the meta-meta that gives the VPD) actually has 2
components: Obtain a Sinister Squashling (which I already have) and
Obtain a Hallowed Helm.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I can assure you, I'll be
hitting every option I have to get the helm. If it can be passed
around, it makes it a *lot* easier. I don't actually care about the
Helm, I just want to get to the VPD.
(not because I'm a mount collector - I have only five at the moment,
but because I want the speed, and the achievement, which I've worked
on for a full year.)

Post by Urbin

 How much would it take to get you to hand over the helm?

If the passing on of the helm did not work and I needed it for the
achievment, I wouldn't pass it on for any money you'd offer. If I already
had the achievment, I wouldn't roll for it in the first place.
If I needed the achievment and the helm could be passed on after wearing and
I won the roll, I'd equip it and then hand it on to somebody for free.

Ditto. The people I want to pay not to Need it are ones who aren't
going for the achievement.

Post by Urbin

 On the Blizzard boards, some people are saying they'd offer 25k for
 the horseman's mount, and others are saying they wouldn't take it.

I wouldn't pay that much and if I won it in a fair roll I wouldn't sell it,
no matter for which amount. Though 25k might tempt me, that would mean the
mammoth-with-vendors + change instead of the mount :-)

Same. It's a seriously cool mount though.

pt

[Nemesis]

Post by cryptoguy
At the moment, the only thing between me and the Violet Protodrake
310% mount is getting the Hallowed Helm in the approaching Hallow's
End event.

You do know that last year, like with the hallowed pet, you can get
those items from those surprise gift boxes which is how my alts got
theirs. That's assuming they do it like that this year.

[cryptoguy]

Post by Nemesis

Post by cryptoguy
At the moment, the only thing between me and the Violet Protodrake
310% mount is getting the Hallowed Helm in the approaching Hallow's
End event.

You do know that last year, like with the hallowed pet, you can get
those items from those surprise gift boxes which is how my alts got
theirs.  That's assuming they do it like that this year.

Yes, I know that. I stated so in the OP. I'm going to be losing sleep
to hit the innkeepers as frequently as possible. It's a 1.3% drop.
Assuming I can hit it 8 times in a day, (I do sleep, and can't do it
from work), I have about a 10% chance of seeing one on any given day.
It's a 7% chance from the horseman. In a group of 5, that's about a
35% chance a day. My chances of getting it from the horseman are much
better than from the treat bags (1/hour) or surprise packages (1/day).

I actually got my Sinister Squashling last year from a treat bag. I
failed to get the helm despite trying. I don't want to repeat that
this year.

pt

[Checkers]

Post by cryptoguy

Post by Nemesis

Post by cryptoguy
At the moment, the only thing between me and the Violet Protodrake
310% mount is getting the Hallowed Helm in the approaching Hallow's
End event.

You do know that last year, like with the hallowed pet, you can get
those items from those surprise gift boxes which is how my alts got
theirs. That's assuming they do it like that this year.

Yes, I know that. I stated so in the OP. I'm going to be losing sleep
to hit the innkeepers as frequently as possible. It's a 1.3% drop.
Assuming I can hit it 8 times in a day, (I do sleep, and can't do it
from work), I have about a 10% chance of seeing one on any given day.
It's a 7% chance from the horseman. In a group of 5, that's about a
35% chance a day. My chances of getting it from the horseman are much
better than from the treat bags (1/hour) or surprise packages (1/day).
I actually got my Sinister Squashling last year from a treat bag. I
failed to get the helm despite trying. I don't want to repeat that
this year.
pt

In addition to what others have suggested in this thread, I would also
try to run with people that already have the Hallowed Helm. I already
have the Helm and Squashling myself for example.

I do not have the Mount and I will definitely roll on it if it drops.

I tend not to pug things like this. I play with my friends mostly, but
that's just me.

Checkers
Horde, Cenarius

[Nemesis]

Post by cryptoguy

Post by Nemesis

Post by cryptoguy
At the moment, the only thing between me and the Violet Protodrake
310% mount is getting the Hallowed Helm in the approaching Hallow's
End event.

You do know that last year, like with the hallowed pet, you can get
those items from those surprise gift boxes which is how my alts got
theirs.  That's assuming they do it like that this year.

Yes, I know that. I stated so in the OP. I'm going to be losing sleep
to hit the innkeepers as frequently as possible. It's a 1.3% drop.
Assuming I can hit it 8 times in a day, (I do sleep, and can't do it
from work), I have about a 10% chance of seeing one on any given day.
It's a 7% chance from the horseman. In a group of 5, that's about a
35% chance a day. My chances of getting it from the horseman are much
better than from the treat bags (1/hour) or surprise packages (1/day).
I actually got my Sinister Squashling last year from a treat bag. I
failed to get the helm despite trying. I don't want to repeat that
this year.
pt

That's where I got mine and the Helm. I meant to say treat bag but
forgot what it was actually called.

[cryptoguy]

Post by cryptoguy

Post by Nemesis

Post by cryptoguy
At the moment, the only thing between me and the Violet Protodrake
310% mount is getting the Hallowed Helm in the approaching Hallow's
End event.

You do know that last year, like with the hallowed pet, you can get
those items from those surprise gift boxes which is how my alts got
theirs.  That's assuming they do it like that this year.

Yes, I know that. I stated so in the OP. I'm going to be losing sleep
to hit the innkeepers as frequently as possible. It's a 1.3% drop.
Assuming I can hit it 8 times in a day, (I do sleep, and can't do it
from work), I have about a 10% chance of seeing one on any given day.
It's a 7% chance from the horseman. In a group of 5, that's about a
35% chance a day. My chances of getting it from the horseman are much
better than from the treat bags (1/hour) or surprise packages (1/day).
I actually got my Sinister Squashling last year from a treat bag. I
failed to get the helm despite trying. I don't want to repeat that
this year.

That's where I got mine and the Helm.  I meant to say treat bag but
forgot what it was actually called.

According to posters on the WoW Forums, the drop rate of the helm and
squashling were buffed partway through the event last year. If so,
things get easier.

pt

[Brian Westley]

cryptoguy <***@gmail.com> writes:
...

Post by cryptoguy
Yes, I know that. I stated so in the OP. I'm going to be losing sleep
to hit the innkeepers as frequently as possible. It's a 1.3% drop.
Assuming I can hit it 8 times in a day, (I do sleep, and can't do it
from work), I have about a 10% chance of seeing one on any given day.
It's a 7% chance from the horseman. In a group of 5, that's about a
35% chance a day. My chances of getting it from the horseman are much
better than from the treat bags (1/hour) or surprise packages (1/day).

Assuming those drop rates, a group of 5 is about 30% a day
1-(1-0.07)^5 = .304311631

Over 14 days, the chance from 8*14 treat bags is .769048342,
about 3/4 of a chance. The chance of seeing it at least once
in 5*14 HH runs is .993779772 (no telling if you win it, though).

If you double your treat bags on the weekends, adding 32 attempts,
the chance goes from 77% to about 85%.

I should be able to do 9 tries a day without losing sleep.
5 PM to midnight is 8 tries right there, and you can do one
in the morning before leaving for work.

---
Merlyn LeRoy

[t***@thsu.org]

Post by cryptoguy
At the moment, the only thing between me and the Violet Protodrake
310% mount is getting the Hallowed Helm in the approaching Hallow's
End event.

I am so glad that my guild is good enough to knock out the Ulduar hard
modes, because a dozen nights of knocking out hard modes, for 310%
flight form, is still far less time consuming that doing all the
holiday events for a faster mount.

As an update...

Our 10 man firefighter achievement hinged on having a ret pally and a
resto shaman. The pally brought fire aura, replenishment, and kings
while the resto shaman brought totems and heroism. It turned out that
those few buffs were all that we needed to get us over the hump (well
that and the prior 40 attempts to get the fire dance down).

Downing Animus was almost a non-event, as it was a 3 shot, and 1 light
Yogg was cakewalk compared to firefighter, maybe a dozen wipes.

The hardest achievement for me turned out to be a disarmed Kologarn,
which took 5 weeks to do in 10 man. Annoyingly, we managed to do
disarmed in 25 man each of those weeks.

We also finally finished up the legendary mace for our holy priest,
and then promptly took Ulduar off our raiding schedule, to everyone's
delight. Although that now means we get to wipe repeatedly on 25 man
heroic Northrend Beasts :( It's crazy just how much more difficult
heroic ToC25 is, compared to heroic ToC10.
--
// T.Hsu

[Shiflet]

Post by cryptoguy
I'm thinking of telling people at the start of the HH event that if
they get the Helm, not to equip it until they talk to me; I'd offer
them a good price.
How much would it take to get you to hand over the helm?

I've got the helm, so I'd pass regardless. If I didn't and I was working on
the achievement, you'd have to offer at least 1k to get me to even consider
it. If I wasn't working on the achievement and flat didn't care, 100g would
do.

Post by cryptoguy
On the Blizzard boards, some people are saying they'd offer 25k for
the horseman's mount, and others are saying they wouldn't take it.

I'm in the latter category. If the mount dropped for me, you couldn't offer
me enough gold to make me pass on it.

Post by cryptoguy
pt