On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 13:38:50 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
Post by LewisI remember on my hunter, at level 50 something, having my best piece of
gear be mail chest with +STR. I was also wearing some cloth and leather
because I couldn't get mail with ANY useful stats.
I remember being in a 10 man of Strath or Scholomance with a Paldin who
was wearing more than half cloth.
The itemization in Classic was *entirely* broken, and "fixing" that
means ... hey,. that's not Classic, is it?
Exactly! The only complaints I've heard have been people finding an
"of the tiger" item that had agi+crit, which obviously is current WoW
and not classic... in other words a bug.
Anyone moaning about the way it used to be doesn't know what classic
was, I loved using a mixture of whatever was suitable, if it was the
wrong armour type, well hey, that's how it was. There's an argument
that today's system is more sensible, and yeah, it is, but the old
weird broken stuff was fun for me :-)
Post by LewisPost by Catriona RI'm not really seeing that reaction in the places I've been following
news at all. A minority are throwing tantrums over the sharding, but
the majority listened to the explanation given, and accepted it makes
sense, so long as it's temporary.
It's not temporary. It will becomes less noticeable *as the population
decreases*. That is, Blizzard expects a surge of interest in this thing
that will rapidly drop-off leaving very few people,
Yes, as do I, but the sharding should be temporary, that's how it was
presented. They made very clear that if there's more than one Kazzak
out there, or half the people in the zone can't *see* Kazzak due to
being in another shard, that's wrong. That example showed me they
understand the problems, so I don't think we'll see sharding past the
initial launch period (be that a couple of weeks or a month, that's
ok).
It's very obvious the population will drop off, I've felt from the
start that using sharding to let the server populations start off
higher than original vanilla so the drop leaves servers with a healthy
population 6 months down the line, is the best solution.
Post by LewisPost by Catriona Rmostly, Blizz seem to be genuinely trying to recreate it as
authentically as possible,
Of course they are not. While they didn't call out Healbot by name, they
certainly were referring to it as something that would not be allowed to
work. And who an Classic raids without Healbot? Dead raids, that's who.
Lol. People who can't play, that's who. I healed with NO addons until
well into Wrath, ok, I didn't raid heal in vanilla, but the principle
of healing was no different in vanilla than it was in TBC; if anything
there were more buttons to press in TBC.
Post by LewisPost by Catriona RPost by LewisThat is to say, most people who lay Classic, not most WoW players who
will ignore it or try it once for an hour or so and run screaming.
Lol, I think that's a little harsh.
I don't.
The vast majority of what you're listing is opinion though, and other
players may well see good things in them; those who are sensible will
treat it as a completely different game to live, set in the same
universe.
Post by LewisFeeding pets
Getting new weapons you couldn't use because you had to train them
Getting a gun/bow you couldn't use because of ammo
Running out of ammo
Flavour, all of them - some of us LIKE the idea of ammo being a
physical thing and your pet being more than a +dmg buff; it feels more
real.
Post by Lewis22 minute flight paths that would log you out
Walking to instances
Having to have someone hang out in /2 to fill the raid
Yeah, those weren't great but not the end of the world either,
different times, and a price I'm willing to pay.
Post by Lewis49 hour Alterac Valley
Some people liked that; I didn't pvp then but have often heard people
lamenting the short BGs of today.
Often hear people wanting attunements in current WoW, weeds out the
"scrubs" apparently. Even without that aspect, it was part of the
journey, doing a story out of order doesn't make sense. Original WoW
was much more of an RPG than current WoW, where skipping everything is
the preferred method.
Stitches? Stalvan was a very cool questline, told a great story.
Stitches was more of a shock, but a cool one, I LOVED running into him
back in the day and realising that yes, even the paths aren't safe.
Post by LewisIf you missed a flight point, you couldn't connect
Irritating but gave value to exploration, and it was only very
recently that one was changed anyway.
Post by LewisFar fewer flight points
Makes the world bigger when you're travelling through it on foot. Now
yes, it's slow, and yes, it doesn't suit everyone, but it's a
different type of game.
Post by LewisPaladin Mount Quest
What, a class specific questline with a ton of depth and lore, to get
a (for the time) very unique reward, is considered a *negative*? Yeah,
people who think that certainly are not cut out for Classic. Probably
not for modern day WoW either.
Post by LewisDRUID travel form Quest!!
I don't recall a travel form quest, if you mean the swim form one,
that was annoying but again, something that other classes did not get,
which made you feel you'd earned something unique, isn't really a
negative...
Post by Lewis1,000g fast mount when 1,000 gold was about like 1,000,000 now
So feeling like you'd earned it is a bad thing? Modern WoW hands
things out too easily sometimes - things feel much more rewarding if
you put some effort into getting them. Loads of people never got it;
the regular mount was perfectly fine for the speed of the game then,
getting epic riding was meant to be a big achievement that took a lot
of time, and so it really felt good when you got it. There's nothing
in current WoW like that; where you really get a big reward for your
efforts over a long time.
Post by LewisWanted to fly through multiple points? Stop at each one.
Nope, that was changed in one of the patches well before 1.12, so not
applicable here.
Post by LewisSpending hours outside Ogrimar punching boars to train unarmed
Then don't do it that way. There are plenty of more fun ways to lvl
it; if you're high lvl, run a lowbie dungeon and pick up some sellable
boes, or stick it in your offhand if you can dualwield (I'm assuming
you want to skill up unarmed to use a fist weapon, otherwise there is
NO reason to skill it up, if you don't want to do it, don't!)
Post by LewisHaving to go to a trainer to level up
That's a *good* thing. Actually doing something to get things feels
more interactive - for example, a lot of people have commented that
azerite power going straight to the neck feels less interesting than
clicking on the tokens in Legion did (yes, those tokens not stacking
*sucked*, and more big tokens would've been better than a zillion
small ones). Basically it's a psychological thing where if you take an
action to do something it feels like a reward. Going to a trainer,
seeing what I could afford and making decisions based on cost and
usefulness, that felt interesting, and like I was actively building my
character.
Now in modern WoW, yeah, you lvl faster, it'd be a pain. But in older
days, you'd take a couple of days to get a lvl anyway so going to the
trainer at the end of a play session felt good, it was part of the
adventure, going back to town with all I'd gathered to sell stuff and
dropping into the trainer while I was there.
Post by LewisGetting from Darnasus to Stormwind
Again, part of the adventure, facing dangers to travel to the other
side of the world, having it feel like a journey, was fun to some of
us...
Post by LewisFAILING at skinning or mining (or I assume herbalism as well)
Heh yeah, that was annoying, but motivation to get better at it...
Post by LewisIndividually buffing 40 people in a RAID
Maximum of 8 debuffs on a boss (well, on anything, but it mattered on
bosses)
16. It was changed long before 1.12. And hang on, I thought your
premise was that people will "try it once for an hour or so and run
screaming" - they're not going to encounter raid stuff in the first
hour ;-) Or the first month... indeed a good number have no interest
in raiding and will never encounter those!
Post by LewisWarsong Fucking Gulch
I gather many people loved it and hate that it's now been shortened. I
hated going an hour or more with no progress but then I'm not a
PvPer...
Post by LewisOne hour hearth
Hehe the funny thing with that is I've never got out of the habit of
barely using my hearth, I've always had a mental feeling that it's
just not something to use often, more to go home at the end of a long
day's adventuring.
Post by LewisGreen Hills of Stranglethorn where you had to empty your bags to have
any hope of finishing the quests.
Annoying quest but hey, you didn't have to do it, and I liked
preparing for it by reserving space in my bank... Booty Bay has a
banker!
Post by LewisHogger. Fucking Hogger.
Lol isn't he like one of the most popular symbols of early WoW? People
LOVE him. Now yeah, getting him down on a dead server with nobody
around was a pain, but that certainly won't be the case in classic for
a long time; there's always people levelling in Elwynn, even when the
population reduces there'll still be alts.
Post by LewisAnd that's not even talking about the server issues, Lagforge, or
having a dungeon or raid instance spontaneously vanish out from under
you.
Those were pretty much always a case of bad internet/bad
PCs/overloaded servers. 14 years of technology improvements should've
fixed those :-) It'll be nice to be able to go from bank to AH without
falling in that stupid hole; *that* was very bad zone design in
vanilla times, when anyone without 1GB+ of RAM would lag out in that
area, but now it'll be fine.
Post by LewisAlso, some of the questions point to people are going to be angry
When will we get flying?
What expansions are planned?
Lol the flying one is obviously trolls. Expansions is a valid
question; a lot of people miss TBC and Wrath too (and those are that
bit more modern in QoL to suit a few of the people who can't stomach
vanilla), so if classic is a success, there's actually no reason why
we shouldn't hope for a classic TBC launch one day far in the future.
Post by LewisHell, as far as I'm concerned if your not prepared for several hours of
crash time every day, it's not vanilla.
Lol, well I hope that bit isn't authentic ;-)