Getting soulbound items to alt

[Burt Johnson]

My alt has enchantment. I figured it would be good to give my warrior
soulbound green garmets to my alt to disenchant rather than selling to a
vendor. Nope. Can't mail soulbound...

I can see a trick of trading to a really good friend, then having him
trade to my alt. That would require all 3 of us to be in the same place
at the same time though. Truly a PITA and test of friendship... :-)

Any other way to get a soulbound item from my main warrior to my alt
banker?

[Max]

Post by Burt Johnson
My alt has enchantment. I figured it would be good to give my warrior
soulbound green garmets to my alt to disenchant rather than selling to a
vendor. Nope. Can't mail soulbound...
I can see a trick of trading to a really good friend, then having him
trade to my alt. That would require all 3 of us to be in the same place
at the same time though. Truly a PITA and test of friendship... :-)
Any other way to get a soulbound item from my main warrior to my alt
banker?

there is NO way. U cant trade soulbound items either... so u cant trade
it to a friend. ( u can only "trade" it in the "not trade" window
inside the trade window for letting another person make an enchant)

[Burt Johnson]

Post by Max

Post by Burt Johnson
My alt has enchantment. I figured it would be good to give my warrior
soulbound green garmets to my alt to disenchant rather than selling to a
vendor. Nope. Can't mail soulbound...
I can see a trick of trading to a really good friend, then having him
trade to my alt. That would require all 3 of us to be in the same place
at the same time though. Truly a PITA and test of friendship... :-)
Any other way to get a soulbound item from my main warrior to my alt
banker?

there is NO way. U cant trade soulbound items either... so u cant trade
it to a friend. ( u can only "trade" it in the "not trade" window
inside the trade window for letting another person make an enchant)

So then the only way would be to 'not trade' it to a friend who had
enchant. Let them do the disenchant and give back the results, then send
those to the alt if appropriate?

Gah... got to be way around that... ?

[Stavros Christoforou]

Post by Burt Johnson
Gah... got to be way around that... ?

You can only DE items if you have the enchanting skill, it cannot be
done even through trade window by another player. It would be grossly
unfair to enchanters otherwise, for which disenchanting is the only way
of making profit (for most enchants until 300 skill, they actually lose
money).

[Burt Johnson]

Post by Stavros Christoforou

Post by Burt Johnson
Gah... got to be way around that... ?

You can only DE items if you have the enchanting skill, it cannot be
done even through trade window by another player. It would be grossly
unfair to enchanters otherwise, for which disenchanting is the only way
of making profit (for most enchants until 300 skill, they actually lose
money).

Is disenchanting available ot level 0 enchanters?

If so, I could see maybe banking the green stuff rather than selling it,
up to level 20 or 30. Then change a second skill to enchant, disenchant
the stuff no longer used, and get the goodies from them?

From that point, he could start learning to make good stuff too of
course.

[Christian Stauffer]

Post by Burt Johnson
Is disenchanting available ot level 0 enchanters?

Yep. As I wrote in another post in the recipe colors thread, you even
get the first few skill ups (somewhere between 50 and 75) "for free"
by disenchanting stuff.

Post by Burt Johnson
If so, I could see maybe banking the green stuff rather than selling it,
up to level 20 or 30. Then change a second skill to enchant, disenchant
the stuff no longer used, and get the goodies from them?

Yep, that's possible.

Post by Burt Johnson
From that point, he could start learning to make good stuff too of
course.

Hrm.. have a look at http://www.thottbot.com/?t=Enchanting to see
what enchanting recipes there are.

Enchanting is a money sink. You won't have anyone who buys your
enchants before at least skill level 275. Below that, the benefits
of the enchants are almost never worth their price. You can't
even sell your goodies over the AH.
You can easily spend 400g to level enchanting. Most likely you'll
spend even more than this for reaching 300.
The only way currently in the game, to ever get that money back
once you are at 300, is to grind massive reputation with timbermaw,
argent dawn and other faction, to be able to do rare enchantments.
And even then, there will already be dozens of other people on your
server who can do them.

If you look for a way to get rid of all your money: Pick enchanting
If you look for a way to get lots of money: Keep 2 gathering skills
If you look for a fun profession: Keep mining and start engineering

Engineers can't really sell their crafted stuff neither (because
most of them require enchanting to use), but compared to enchanting,
engineering is a) dirt cheap and b) a fun thing with lots useful or
funny gizmos.

Just my 2 cent :-)

Chris

[Max Madach]

TBH.. green items below lvl 50 (item level) arent worth keeping them... the
money u get from disenchanting is often less then the money u get from
vendoring the item.

[Marshall]

Post by Max Madach
TBH.. green items below lvl 50 (item level) arent worth keeping them... the
money u get from disenchanting is often less then the money u get from
vendoring the item.

But it is a good way to get shards and essences out of all those
soulbound blue and green quest reward items that you can't use.
The shards sell for lots more than the vendor will pay for those
items.
-Marshall

[Burt Johnson]

Post by Marshall

Post by Max Madach
TBH.. green items below lvl 50 (item level) arent worth keeping them... the
money u get from disenchanting is often less then the money u get from
vendoring the item.

But it is a good way to get shards and essences out of all those
soulbound blue and green quest reward items that you can't use.
The shards sell for lots more than the vendor will pay for those
items.
-Marshall

Got a shard last night. Put it in the bank rather than selling it
though. Since it is used for enchanting, I figure I may need it
someday.

Right decision or not?

[Hornet]

Post by Burt Johnson
Got a shard last night. Put it in the bank rather than selling it
though. Since it is used for enchanting, I figure I may need it
someday.
Right decision or not?
--
- Burt Johnson
MindStorm, Inc.
http://www.mindstorm-inc.com/software.html

Yep, I have a full range of enchanting mats in the bank, so when I need
it, I'm not getting gouged at the AH and I get enchants on my gear
right away.

[Lisa C]

Post by Burt Johnson

Post by Stavros Christoforou

Post by Burt Johnson
Gah... got to be way around that... ?

You can only DE items if you have the enchanting skill, it cannot be
done even through trade window by another player. It would be grossly
unfair to enchanters otherwise, for which disenchanting is the only way
of making profit (for most enchants until 300 skill, they actually lose
money).

Is disenchanting available ot level 0 enchanters?
If so, I could see maybe banking the green stuff rather than selling it,
up to level 20 or 30. Then change a second skill to enchant, disenchant
the stuff no longer used, and get the goodies from them?
From that point, he could start learning to make good stuff too of
course.

You *could* do that. If you go that route, I would not drop the second skill
until at least level 40. By that time you will have a lot of soulbound trash
items - maybe more than will fill your bank. Be aware that for many items,
the value from selling to vendor may outweigh the value from obtaining d/e
mats - especially from lower level greens. There are two add-ons, informant
and enchantrix, that give you the vendor sale price of items, along with
some information on what the item might d/e into. They can be found bundled
with auctioneer, at http://norganna.org/

D/E is useful if you've won a non-useful BOP item from an instance run, but
it happens rarely, since someone almost always can use the items for more
than disenchant (and if you DO have a party who has no use for a BOP, and
will be vendoring, and if you win the /roll after all have passed on the
item, don't D/E the thing in front of them!)

I've heard of one guild who makes instance runs with a enchanter..... all
pass on the BOP (providing they can't use) and then whoever wins the /roll
has the option of having the enchanter pick it up for D/E and giving the
materials to the winner. That sounds like a useful service.

[Burt Johnson]

Post by Lisa C
You *could* do that. If you go that route, I would not drop the second skill
until at least level 40. By that time you will have a lot of soulbound trash
items - maybe more than will fill your bank. Be aware that for many items,
the value from selling to vendor may outweigh the value from obtaining d/e
mats - especially from lower level greens. There are two add-ons, informant
and enchantrix, that give you the vendor sale price of items, along with
some information on what the item might d/e into. They can be found bundled
with auctioneer, at http://norganna.org/

I have enchantrix on. For some reason it gives me the disenchant info
for my warrior (who does not have enchanting), but not for my banker who
does have enchanting?

Post by Lisa C
D/E is useful if you've won a non-useful BOP item from an instance run, but
it happens rarely, since someone almost always can use the items for more
than disenchant (and if you DO have a party who has no use for a BOP, and
will be vendoring, and if you win the /roll after all have passed on the
item, don't D/E the thing in front of them!)

That sounds like a good spell to aggro the party... :-)

[Nikolas Landauer]

Post by Burt Johnson
I have enchantrix on. For some reason it gives me the
disenchant info for my warrior (who does not have
enchanting), but not for my banker who does have
enchanting?

Enchantrix defaults to being off, as far as I can tell. Personally, I
like to have it on for all of my characters.

On each character, enter the command:
/enchantrix load always
to set Enchantrix to default to on for that character.

--
Nik
Kirin Tor: Wraien, night elf hunter {Spirit of the Dragon}
Kirin Tor: Verzhanzi, undead mage {Poor Sages of Lordaeron}
Kirin Tor: Modesty, human rogue

[Marshall]

I've heard of one guild who makes instance runs with a enchanter..... all pass
on the BOP (providing they can't use) and then whoever wins the /roll has the
option of having the enchanter pick it up for D/E and giving the materials to
the winner. That sounds like a useful service.

That is very common, and often done in PuG's, too.
-Marshall

[ASKF]

Post by Lisa C

Post by Burt Johnson

Post by Stavros Christoforou

Post by Burt Johnson
Gah... got to be way around that... ?

You can only DE items if you have the enchanting skill, it cannot be
done even through trade window by another player. It would be grossly
unfair to enchanters otherwise, for which disenchanting is the only way
of making profit (for most enchants until 300 skill, they actually lose
money).

Is disenchanting available ot level 0 enchanters?
If so, I could see maybe banking the green stuff rather than selling it,
up to level 20 or 30. Then change a second skill to enchant, disenchant
the stuff no longer used, and get the goodies from them?
From that point, he could start learning to make good stuff too of
course.

You *could* do that. If you go that route, I would not drop the second skill
until at least level 40. By that time you will have a lot of soulbound trash
items - maybe more than will fill your bank. Be aware that for many items,
the value from selling to vendor may outweigh the value from obtaining d/e
mats - especially from lower level greens. There are two add-ons, informant
and enchantrix, that give you the vendor sale price of items, along with
some information on what the item might d/e into. They can be found bundled
with auctioneer, at http://norganna.org/
D/E is useful if you've won a non-useful BOP item from an instance run, but
it happens rarely, since someone almost always can use the items for more
than disenchant (and if you DO have a party who has no use for a BOP, and
will be vendoring, and if you win the /roll after all have passed on the
item, don't D/E the thing in front of them!)
I've heard of one guild who makes instance runs with a enchanter..... all
pass on the BOP (providing they can't use) and then whoever wins the /roll
has the option of having the enchanter pick it up for D/E and giving the
materials to the winner. That sounds like a useful service.

We do it like that. Everybody passes on BoP, so we have time to figure
out wether or not anyone can use it. We do however send the disenchanted
mats to the guildbank, if it's a guild-only party/raid.

I always offer my disenchanting service from the start, when with PUGs.
Normally everyone is pleased with rolling on the disenchant, instead of
the item, since most people can use the shard for some enchant they
want.

This way I've also announced to a lot of people that I'm an enchanter,
so I've got quite a few requests from people I've grouped with, to do
enchants for them later. It has helped me level up my enchanting :-)

[Marshall]

Post by Burt Johnson
Gah... got to be way around that... ?

You can only DE items if you have the enchanting skill, it cannot be done even
through trade window by another player. It would be grossly unfair to
enchanters otherwise, for which disenchanting is the only way of making profit
(for most enchants until 300 skill, they actually lose money).

It would also be grossly unfair if other players could disenchant
something in your 'do not trade' window... imagine the fun that
would-be griefers could have with that.
-Marshall

[pv+ (Paul Vader)]

Post by Marshall
It would also be grossly unfair if other players could disenchant
something in your 'do not trade' window... imagine the fun that
would-be griefers could have with that.

Not that I'm saying it would be a good idea to allow this, but you could just
cancel out of the trade window. It's impossible to change the terms of the
deal once the pane turns green, without forcing another press of the trade
button. *

[RogerM]

Post by Burt Johnson
So then the only way would be to 'not trade' it to a friend who had
enchant. Let them do the disenchant and give back the results, then send
those to the alt if appropriate?

Can't disenchant 'em either, Burt.

[RogerM]

Post by RogerM

Post by Burt Johnson
So then the only way would be to 'not trade' it to a friend who had
enchant. Let them do the disenchant and give back the results, then send
those to the alt if appropriate?

Can't disenchant 'em either, Burt.

By that, I mean by any one but the owner. Owner has to be Enchanter to
DE soulbound stuff. Trade window won't work.

[valpozzo]

Post by Burt Johnson

Post by Max

Post by Burt Johnson
My alt has enchantment. I figured it would be good to give my warrior
soulbound green garmets to my alt to disenchant rather than selling to a
vendor. Nope. Can't mail soulbound...
I can see a trick of trading to a really good friend, then having him
trade to my alt. That would require all 3 of us to be in the same place
at the same time though. Truly a PITA and test of friendship... :-)
Any other way to get a soulbound item from my main warrior to my alt
banker?

there is NO way. U cant trade soulbound items either... so u cant trade
it to a friend. ( u can only "trade" it in the "not trade" window
inside the trade window for letting another person make an enchant)

So then the only way would be to 'not trade' it to a friend who had
enchant. Let them do the disenchant and give back the results, then send
those to the alt if appropriate?
Gah... got to be way around that... ?

The only way to disenchant soulbond stuffs in your main? Unlearn 1
profession and learn enchanting in your main. But this is not a great
idea in a low char...
Imo Herbalism mining skinning alchemy are better then inchanting for
low levels chars,you'll get more money from those.

[Burt Johnson]

Post by valpozzo
The only way to disenchant soulbond stuffs in your main? Unlearn 1
profession and learn enchanting in your main. But this is not a great
idea in a low char...
Imo Herbalism mining skinning alchemy are better then inchanting for
low levels chars,you'll get more money from those.

I have mining/skinning for my primary and blacksmith/enchant for my alt.
So far, my primary sends ore and skins to my alt. The alt then converts
the ore to armor/weapons, enchants it, and sells it. The skins are just
sold. When needed, he then sends the money back to the primary.

It has been a beautiful friendship until this wall was hit... :-)

[Urbin]

Post by Burt Johnson

Post by Max

Post by Burt Johnson
My alt has enchantment. I figured it would be good to give my warrior
soulbound green garmets to my alt to disenchant rather than selling to a
vendor. Nope. Can't mail soulbound...
I can see a trick of trading to a really good friend, then having him
trade to my alt. That would require all 3 of us to be in the same place
at the same time though. Truly a PITA and test of friendship... :-)
Any other way to get a soulbound item from my main warrior to my alt
banker?

there is NO way. U cant trade soulbound items either... so u cant trade
it to a friend. ( u can only "trade" it in the "not trade" window
inside the trade window for letting another person make an enchant)

So then the only way would be to 'not trade' it to a friend who had
enchant. Let them do the disenchant and give back the results, then send
those to the alt if appropriate?

Nope, unfortunately you cannot disenchant an item on another player. The
enchanter needs it in *his* possession.

Summary: A soulbound item *CANNOT* be disenchanted if you are not an
enchanter.

Urbin, who had wished otherwise many times

[pv+ (Paul Vader)]

Post by Burt Johnson
So then the only way would be to 'not trade' it to a friend who had
enchant. Let them do the disenchant and give back the results, then send
those to the alt if appropriate?

No, that doesn't work either. An enchanter can only DE their OWN soulbound
items. The 'will not be traded' slot can be used to put enchants on items,
soulbound or not, but it cannot be used for disenchanting, ever.

Post by Burt Johnson
Gah... got to be way around that... ?

No, absolutely not. *

[Mel]

Post by Burt Johnson
My alt has enchantment. I figured it would be good to give my warrior
soulbound green garmets to my alt to disenchant rather than selling to a
vendor. Nope. Can't mail soulbound...
I can see a trick of trading to a really good friend, then having him
trade to my alt. That would require all 3 of us to be in the same place
at the same time though. Truly a PITA and test of friendship... :-)
Any other way to get a soulbound item from my main warrior to my alt
banker?

Hate to break it to you Burt, but soulbound is "bound to your soul" and
your soul only. The only thing that anyone else can do to a soulbound
item in your possesion is:
-enchant it through the "do not trade" slot in the trade window
-modify it the same way (add spurs for example)


and that's it.

It's yours for ever and ever until you sell it to a npc or destroy it,
or disenchant it yourself (if you are an enchanter). I presume the
reason you can sell it to a npc is that they don't have souls. (don't
tell Kaja that though, she'll get all upset and refuse to deal with you
anymore :-) ) And even then they won't buy any old soulbound stuff, only
equipement (not most quest items)

[RogerM]

Post by Mel
It's yours for ever and ever until you sell it to a npc or destroy it,
or disenchant it yourself (if you are an enchanter). I presume the
reason you can sell it to a npc is that they don't have souls.

Just the merchants, but be happy there are no lawyers in the game.

[Brian Tkatch]

Post by Mel
It's yours for ever and ever until you sell it to a npc or destroy it,
or disenchant it yourself (if you are an enchanter).

Or if it is used in another recipe. Such as the Mithril Dragonling into
the Arcane Dragonling. The MD showed soulbound, and the AD didn't
(until i used it).

B

[Nabuu]

Post by Burt Johnson
I figured it would be good to give my warrior
soulbound green garmets to my alt to disenchant rather than selling to a
vendor. Nope. Can't mail soulbound...

Are you just funnin' with us, Burt?

What do you imagine is the purpose/meaning of "Soulbound"?

What kind of programmers would the folks at Blizzard be if they allowed
your trick to work?

[Christian Stauffer]

Post by Nabuu
What do you imagine is the purpose/meaning of "Soulbound"?
What kind of programmers would the folks at Blizzard be if they allowed
your trick to work?

I remember from my nooby days, that I tried to sell a soulbound
item via the AH. For me it was obvious that, while only I can
*wear* the item (which seemed the purpose of "soulbound" to me),
an enchanter may still want to buy it to break it.

For me, it's absolutely not obvious that soulbound items can't
be traded, for example to break them. Another example would be
to send a soulbound item to a guildmate so he can enchant it.
There's nothing in this thinking that actually violates the
soulbound restrictions - when my guildmate receives my
soulbound shoes and tried to wear them, he'd just get a
message like "this item is soulbound to someone else".

Chris

[Nabuu]

Post by Christian Stauffer

Post by Nabuu
What do you imagine is the purpose/meaning of "Soulbound"?
What kind of programmers would the folks at Blizzard be if they allowed
your trick to work?

I remember from my nooby days, that I tried to sell a soulbound
item via the AH. For me it was obvious that, while only I can
*wear* the item (which seemed the purpose of "soulbound" to me),
an enchanter may still want to buy it to break it.
For me, it's absolutely not obvious that soulbound items can't
be traded, for example to break them. Another example would be
to send a soulbound item to a guildmate so he can enchant it.
There's nothing in this thinking that actually violates the
soulbound restrictions - when my guildmate receives my
soulbound shoes and tried to wear them, he'd just get a
message like "this item is soulbound to someone else".

Ok, fair enough.

[Burt Johnson]

Post by Christian Stauffer

Post by Nabuu
What do you imagine is the purpose/meaning of "Soulbound"?
What kind of programmers would the folks at Blizzard be if they allowed
your trick to work?

I remember from my nooby days, that I tried to sell a soulbound
item via the AH. For me it was obvious that, while only I can
*wear* the item (which seemed the purpose of "soulbound" to me),
an enchanter may still want to buy it to break it.
For me, it's absolutely not obvious that soulbound items can't
be traded, for example to break them. Another example would be
to send a soulbound item to a guildmate so he can enchant it.
There's nothing in this thinking that actually violates the
soulbound restrictions - when my guildmate receives my
soulbound shoes and tried to wear them, he'd just get a
message like "this item is soulbound to someone else".

Thank you. That was exactly what I was thinking. I knew the alt
couldn't wear the stuff, but I thought he could bank it, or DE it, or
enhance it further once he got to the lvl to do anything useful.

I didn't know (at the time) that it meant "once you are soulbound you
can't do nothing but wear it or sell it as junk to a merchant."