Titanium Lockbox Tip

[neithskye]

Scenario: You're a Rogue. Someone has asked that you please open a
Titanum Lockbox. How much do you expect for a tip?

I have a newly-found Titanium Lockbox I would like opened and I don't
want to mess up the tip.

I am a generous tipper and have actually had Rogues remember me
(similarly, I'm sure they remember the el cheap-os). I tend to over-
tip, but don't even know the "range" for this type of lockbox.

--
Jill

[Dr Richard Cranium]

"neithskye" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:171c68cd-ff2f-4757-85f5-***@35g2000pry.googlegroups.com...
: Scenario: You're a Rogue. Someone has asked that you please open a
: Titanum Lockbox. How much do you expect for a tip?
:
: I have a newly-found Titanium Lockbox I would like opened and I don't
: want to mess up the tip.
:
: I am a generous tipper and have actually had Rogues remember me
: (similarly, I'm sure they remember the el cheap-os). I tend to over-
: tip, but don't even know the "range" for this type of lockbox.
:
: --
: Jill

Well don't mess up the tip. If you ask. I'll open them for free. c'mon.
Most folks advertising that they can open boxes are skilling up and are in need of
"Anybodies" lock boxes to open for the skill. The skiller should pay you.

in rl I think the european's tip is 20% lol.


This isn't rocket surgery.

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[John Gordon]

Post by Dr Richard Cranium
Most folks advertising that they can open boxes are skilling up and are
in need of "Anybodies" lock boxes to open for the skill. The skiller
should pay you.

I believe Titanium Lockboxes require max skill to open, so anyone who
could open it doesn't need any more skillups.

[Gumby619]

Post by John Gordon

Post by Dr Richard Cranium
Most folks advertising that they can open boxes are skilling up and are
in need of "Anybodies" lock boxes to open for the skill. The skiller
should pay you.

I believe Titanium Lockboxes require max skill to open, so anyone who
could open it doesn't need any more skillups.
--
John Gordon A is for Amy, who fell down the stairs
-- Edward Gorey, "The Gashlycrumb Tinies"

It takes 375 to open, I usually get 3-5g as a tip. I never ask for them,
thats just what I am offered. I almost always accept..:-)

Gumby619

[JS]

Post by Gumby619

Post by John Gordon

Post by Dr Richard Cranium
Most folks advertising that they can open boxes are skilling up and are
in need of "Anybodies" lock boxes to open for the skill. The skiller
should pay you.

I believe Titanium Lockboxes require max skill to open, so anyone who
could open it doesn't need any more skillups.
--
John Gordon A is for Amy, who fell down the stairs
-- Edward Gorey, "The Gashlycrumb Tinies"

It takes 375 to open, I usually get 3-5g as a tip. I never ask for them,
thats just what I am offered. I almost always accept..:-)
Gumby619

Titanium takes 400 = max skill

[Gumby619]

Post by JS

Post by Gumby619

Post by John Gordon

Post by Dr Richard Cranium
Most folks advertising that they can open boxes are skilling up and are
in need of "Anybodies" lock boxes to open for the skill. The skiller
should pay you.

I believe Titanium Lockboxes require max skill to open, so anyone who
could open it doesn't need any more skillups.
--
John Gordon A is for Amy, who fell down the stairs
-- Edward Gorey, "The Gashlycrumb Tinies"

It takes 375 to open, I usually get 3-5g as a tip. I never ask for them,
thats just what I am offered. I almost always accept..:-)
Gumby619

Titanium takes 400 = max skill

I stand corrected

Gumby619

[neithskye]

On Dec 12, 1:42 pm, "Dr Richard Cranium" <***@compuserve.com>
wrote:

Just wondered what Rogues here were charging, and it's been
informative. I've learned that Rogues should be paying me. I've
learned that Titanium lockboxes require maximum skill. No, they don't.
Yes, they do. And some Rogues are just kind.

See, I was all prepared to fork over probably 20 gold. I don't care.
It's just gold. I can sneeze at a mob in Northrend, and make it back.
It also saves me a Titanium bar to make a key - Titanium going for
plenty on the AH. And I just hate cheap people.

Post by Dr Richard Cranium
This isn't rocket surgery.

Indeed not, Dr. D. Head. :-)

--
Jill

[Behemoth]

On Dec 15, 12:16 pm, neithskye

Post by neithskye
Just wondered what Rogues here were charging, and it's been
informative. I've learned that Rogues should be paying me. I've
learned that Titanium lockboxes require maximum skill. No, they don't.
Yes, they do. And some Rogues are just kind.
See, I was all prepared to fork over probably 20 gold. I don't care.
It's just gold. I can sneeze at a mob in Northrend, and make it back.
It also saves me a Titanium bar to make a key - Titanium going for
plenty on the AH. And I just hate cheap people.

Post by Dr Richard Cranium
This isn't rocket surgery.

Indeed not, Dr. D. Head. :-)
--
Jill

I'd never consider giving someone 20g for a lockbox even if it was max
skill

Rogues skillup to open locks and treasures

it's all a matter of time and not so much mats at all

I'd say if you were being generous you pay for the time used

5g is a reasonable tip and no rogue would say ... "what? only 5g?"

Enchanting I've found that there are some people that expect too much
tips ... but then again the tradeskill is alot harder to obtain and
more pricy

for that I'd find that the tip should equal how hard the enchant is to
come by

I'd never top someone 1g for a mongoose enchant but then again I'd
never tip over say 20g for it

maybe 10% of the market value give or take the flucuation of the
prices of the enchant or mats

though I'm also a fair tipper too I've given someone 15g for simply
DE'ing my stuff... I paid him for his time and I had alot of stuff to
DE so I felt that paying him more then a few gold was suffient... and
he didn't complain

[Behemoth]

On Dec 15, 12:16 pm, neithskye

Post by neithskye
Just wondered what Rogues here were charging, and it's been
informative. I've learned that Rogues should be paying me. I've
learned that Titanium lockboxes require maximum skill. No, they don't.
Yes, they do. And some Rogues are just kind.
See, I was all prepared to fork over probably 20 gold. I don't care.
It's just gold. I can sneeze at a mob in Northrend, and make it back.
It also saves me a Titanium bar to make a key - Titanium going for
plenty on the AH. And I just hate cheap people.

Post by Dr Richard Cranium
This isn't rocket surgery.

Indeed not, Dr. D. Head. :-)
--
Jill

the only thing that I feel is considered a tip and or a fee is a mage
portal

(some people really rip others off on this)

I've found a good fee is

1g for anything SW,IF,Darn and 3-4g for Shattrath 10g for Dalaran is
what normally a portal goes for .. atleast imo

though I've seen people tip more and I've seen people asking for
more... it's basically how much you want to give

[Urbin]

Post by Behemoth
the only thing that I feel is considered a tip and or a fee is a mage
portal
I've found a good fee is 1g for anything SW,IF,Darn and 3-4g for
Shattrath 10g for Dalaran is what normally a portal goes for .. atleast
imo

Just out of curiosity, why do you feel the tip for Shatt and Dalaran should
be higher than for the capital cities? The ingredients are the same (at
least for Shatt, my mage is too small for Dalaran), so the cost and time
needed are the same... I always offer 2g when asking for a port which is
about 10 times the cost the mage has and have never been refused so far.

Cheers
Urbin

[ald]

Post by Urbin

Post by Behemoth
the only thing that I feel is considered a tip and or a fee is a mage
portal
I've found a good fee is 1g for anything SW,IF,Darn and 3-4g for
Shattrath 10g for Dalaran is what normally a portal goes for .. atleast
imo

Just out of curiosity, why do you feel the tip for Shatt and Dalaran should
be higher than for the capital cities? The ingredients are the same (at
least for Shatt, my mage is too small for Dalaran), so the cost and time
needed are the same... I always offer 2g when asking for a port which is
about 10 times the cost the mage has and have never been refused so far.
Cheers
Urbin

Not the person you asked, but for me: Because the market will pay it.
When asked (and my Mage *does* get asked how much, unlike my Rogue),
my Mage will ask for 2G for a port to IF or SW (which I think is fair,
since I'm rarely playing him, and even when I am he's almost never in
a capital city, so it's going to cost me two runes as well as the time
to switch toons). Now that he's past 50, he had figured on asking for
5G for a port to Darn, but I've since put Trade channel on a separate
tab with almost all of my toons (and the others will do so as soon as
I notice that it isn't), so I haven't seen anybody asking for a port
lately. Hence I have no idea what ports to Dalaran are running, but I
regularly saw people offering up to 10G for a port to Shat, in BC.

Of course, guild mates and/or party members are the exception to this,
ports are free in those cases ;-)

The hole in my logic, *now*, is that you can get the boat from SW to
Aub, in essence to Darn, so I imagine I wouldn't get the 5G ;-/ Then
again, I've seen people in IF willing to pay for a port to SW, or vice
versa, so who knows? ;-)

Last point: This is what my Mage "asks", it's not a hard and fast
rule. If I have the time and am asked politely, I've been known to
give people a port for just the cost of the rune.

[ScratchMonkey]

Post by Urbin
Just out of curiosity, why do you feel the tip for Shatt and Dalaran
should be higher than for the capital cities? The ingredients are the
same (at least for Shatt, my mage is too small for Dalaran), so the
cost and time needed are the same... I always offer 2g when asking for
a port which is about 10 times the cost the mage has and have never
been refused so far.

The time is not the same. To illustrate, imagine there were no other mages.
To get a portal, you buy a second account and level a mage. How much time
is it worth to you to level that mage to the level needed for the
particular port you want?

With crafting, it's even worse: Imagine how much time and gold goes into
leveling BS to the point where you can make an Eternium Rod. That's why I
feel no guilt getting as much money as I can for one of those.

Here's an idea: Allow mages to cast portals onto vellums so that they can
be sold on the AH. I wonder what the market price would be?

My GM, a mage, likes to give customers a stack of food and water before
opening the portal. "That's your complimentary in-flight meal!"

[RogerM]

Post by ScratchMonkey

Post by Urbin
Just out of curiosity, why do you feel the tip for Shatt and Dalaran
should be higher than for the capital cities? The ingredients are the
same (at least for Shatt, my mage is too small for Dalaran), so the
cost and time needed are the same... I always offer 2g when asking for
a port which is about 10 times the cost the mage has and have never
been refused so far.

The time is not the same. To illustrate, imagine there were no other mages.
To get a portal, you buy a second account and level a mage. How much time
is it worth to you to level that mage to the level needed for the
particular port you want?
With crafting, it's even worse: Imagine how much time and gold goes into
leveling BS to the point where you can make an Eternium Rod. That's why I
feel no guilt getting as much money as I can for one of those.
Here's an idea: Allow mages to cast portals onto vellums so that they can
be sold on the AH. I wonder what the market price would be?
My GM, a mage, likes to give customers a stack of food and water before
opening the portal. "That's your complimentary in-flight meal!"

The reason I charge more for a port to Shat than the old world, is that the
customer is likely to hearth in Shat and use the free portals there, thus
reducing my business.

[Pete B]

Post by ScratchMonkey
Here's an idea: Allow mages to cast portals onto vellums so that they can
be sold on the AH. I wonder what the market price would be?

Oh that is a nifty idea :)

[Urbin]

Post by ScratchMonkey

Post by Urbin
Just out of curiosity, why do you feel the tip for Shatt and Dalaran
should be higher than for the capital cities? The ingredients are the
same (at least for Shatt, my mage is too small for Dalaran), so the
cost and time needed are the same... I always offer 2g when asking for
a port which is about 10 times the cost the mage has and have never
been refused so far.

The time is not the same.

I was referring to the time it takes to make the portal, not the time spent
until you could learn the spell. To a level 80 mage, who knows all portal
spells, there is no difference in effort (time and cost wise) whether he
creates a portal to Dalaran, Shattrath, Ironforge or Theramore.

Post by ScratchMonkey
To illustrate, imagine there were no other mages. To get a portal, you
buy a second account and level a mage.

That is a very far fetched situation.

Post by ScratchMonkey
How much time is it worth to you to level that mage to the level needed
for the particular port you want?

I am under the assumption that most mages levelled their char for other
reasons than to become portal providers.

Post by ScratchMonkey
With crafting, it's even worse: Imagine how much time and gold goes into
leveling BS to the point where you can make an Eternium Rod. That's why I
feel no guilt getting as much money as I can for one of those.

Oh, I totally agree on crafting posessions. Crafters spend a lot of money
and time to skill their profession to max level and then a lot of time to
farm for recipe drops or reputation.

However, a portal is a function of level, it costs a few gold to learn and
18s in reagents to set it up.

Post by ScratchMonkey
Here's an idea: Allow mages to cast portals onto vellums so that they can
be sold on the AH. I wonder what the market price would be?

That would be a nice idea, though I guess the price would be more than what
I would be willing to pay for it.

Post by ScratchMonkey
My GM, a mage, likes to give customers a stack of food and water before
opening the portal. "That's your complimentary in-flight meal!"

Hehe.

Cheers
Urbin

[lcpltom]

Post by Urbin

Post by Urbin
Just out of curiosity, why do you feel the tip for Shatt and Dalaran
should be higher than for the capital cities? The ingredients are the
same (at least for Shatt, my mage is too small for Dalaran), so the
cost and time needed are the same... I always offer 2g when asking for
a port which is about 10 times the cost the mage has and have never
been refused so far.

 The time is not the same.

I was referring to the time it takes to make the portal, not the time spent
until you could learn the spell. To a level 80 mage, who knows all portal
spells, there is no difference in effort (time and cost wise) whether he
creates a portal to Dalaran, Shattrath, Ironforge or Theramore.

 To illustrate, imagine there were no other mages. To get a portal, you
 buy a second account and level a mage.

That is a very far fetched situation.

 How much time is it worth to you to level that mage to the level needed
 for the particular port you want?

I am under the assumption that most mages levelled their char for other
reasons than to become portal providers.

 With crafting, it's even worse: Imagine how much time and gold goes into
 leveling BS to the point where you can make an Eternium Rod. That's why I
 feel no guilt getting as much money as I can for one of those.

Oh, I totally agree on crafting posessions. Crafters spend a lot of money
and time to skill their profession to max level and then a lot of time to
farm for recipe drops or reputation.
However, a portal is a function of level, it costs a few gold to learn and
18s in reagents to set it up.

 Here's an idea: Allow mages to cast portals onto vellums so that they can
 be sold on the AH. I wonder what the market price would be?

That would be a nice idea, though I guess the price would be more than what
I would be willing to pay for it.

 My GM, a mage, likes to give customers a stack of food and water before
 opening the portal. "That's your complimentary in-flight meal!"

Hehe.
Cheers
Urbin
--
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I'm more or less amazed about how many players don't know about the
free portals available in Dalaran. I never saw it in Shattrath, but
every few days in Dalaran I see a mage either teleporting themselves
or creating a portal for someone else. I know the reagent cost is
rather minor, but a free port is still a free port. Worse still is
when I exit the inn and find one right there, in that small area right
next to where the free portals are. The only places mages can make
portals that don't have any free portals is Stonard and Theramore, and
I don't think I've ever seen a request in Trade for a port there.

I also still see a lot of requests for portals to Shattrath, usually
from level 58 death knights. To me, it would make more sense to buy a
portal to Dalaran. Dalaran is just a better city in my opinion. More
mailboxes, more profession trainers, and if you use your faction inn,
nearby access to the portals and battle masters. Only downside is the
lack of flying ability, but the city is small enough that it hasn't
really been much of a problem.

[BLMX]

My mage doesn't treat portals like a profession. I don't advertise to
sell ports and I don't charge a set rate. I'll make a port for anyone
that asks nicely and, minimally, brings a rune. Glad to do any port
for 1G, as long as I don't have to interrupt my game for more than a
few seconds.

I don't haggle over price. In fact as soon as someone starts wheeling-
n-dealing, I just go back to what I was doing and ignore them. At
that point it's no longer about the cost of the reagent, but rather
the cost of reducing my enjoyment of the game.

Probably most of the ppl that frequent this newsgroup are the normal
thinking variety and this isn't news to you. But for these types of
conversations you gotta mix in the typical WoW forum-kids to get an
empathetic view of the issue.

[neithskye]

Post by lcpltom
I'm more or less amazed about how many players don't know about the
free portals available in Dalaran.  I never saw it in Shattrath, but
every few days in Dalaran I see a mage either teleporting themselves
or creating a portal for someone else.

I'd rather pay gold for a portal where I'm standing than take the hour
it will take with 0 FPS in Dalaran to try to get to the free
portal. :P

--
Jill

[Catriona R]

Post by lcpltom
I'm more or less amazed about how many players don't know about the
free portals available in Dalaran. I never saw it in Shattrath, but
every few days in Dalaran I see a mage either teleporting themselves
or creating a portal for someone else. I know the reagent cost is
rather minor, but a free port is still a free port. Worse still is
when I exit the inn and find one right there, in that small area right
next to where the free portals are. The only places mages can make
portals that don't have any free portals is Stonard and Theramore, and
I don't think I've ever seen a request in Trade for a port there.

Hey, I once saw a portal to Orgrimmar... in the AH in... Orgrimmar. The
mind boggles.

Post by lcpltom
I also still see a lot of requests for portals to Shattrath, usually
from level 58 death knights. To me, it would make more sense to buy a
portal to Dalaran. Dalaran is just a better city in my opinion. More
mailboxes, more profession trainers, and if you use your faction inn,
nearby access to the portals and battle masters. Only downside is the
lack of flying ability, but the city is small enough that it hasn't
really been much of a problem.

Yeah and there's a portal to Shatt from dalaran anyway. And why does a
deathknight even want portal to Shatt, you can get there under your own
steam by the time you complete the quests to get out of the starting
area. My DK is hearthed in Shatt, because I went there myself.
--
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Tairbh (71 Tauren Druid)
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Buinne (70 Troll Shaman)
Balgair (70 Human Rogue)
Naomh (70 Draenei Priest)
Rosad (70 Human Warlock)
Sealgair (70 Dwarf Hunter)

[Lancelet]

Post by Catriona R
Hey, I once saw a portal to Orgrimmar... in the AH in... Orgrimmar. The
mind boggles.

Maybe a mage doing a joke? A guildy once made a portal to Stonard after an
instance in Northrend. We were not paying attention an took the portal. The
mage followed and then made us the portal to Dalaran :)

[steve.kaye]

Post by Lancelet

Post by Catriona R
Hey, I once saw a portal to Orgrimmar... in the AH in... Orgrimmar. The
mind boggles.

Maybe a mage doing a joke? A guildy once made a portal to Stonard after an
instance in Northrend. We were not paying attention an took the portal. The
mage followed and then made us the portal to Dalaran :)

Maybe a disgruntled mage giving someone a portal after they'd not been
tipped. :P

steve.kaye

[Pete B]

Post by Urbin

Post by ScratchMonkey

Post by Urbin
Just out of curiosity, why do you feel the tip for Shatt and Dalaran
should be higher than for the capital cities? The ingredients are the
same (at least for Shatt, my mage is too small for Dalaran), so the
cost and time needed are the same... I always offer 2g when asking for
a port which is about 10 times the cost the mage has and have never
been refused so far.

The time is not the same.

I was referring to the time it takes to make the portal, not the time spent
until you could learn the spell. To a level 80 mage, who knows all portal
spells, there is no difference in effort (time and cost wise) whether he
creates a portal to Dalaran, Shattrath, Ironforge or Theramore.

But the traveltime for the customer is longer to some destinations, that
is why they pay more since you are doing them a greater service.

Post by Urbin

Post by ScratchMonkey
How much time is it worth to you to level that mage to the level needed
for the particular port you want?

I am under the assumption that most mages levelled their char for other
reasons than to become portal providers.

Exactly - so if people want to bother us with that: cough up ;)

[Urbin]

Post by Pete B

Post by Urbin

Post by ScratchMonkey

Post by Urbin
Just out of curiosity, why do you feel the tip for Shatt and Dalaran
should be higher than for the capital cities? The ingredients are the
same (at least for Shatt, my mage is too small for Dalaran), so the
cost and time needed are the same... I always offer 2g when asking for
a port which is about 10 times the cost the mage has and have never
been refused so far.

The time is not the same.

I was referring to the time it takes to make the portal, not the time spent
until you could learn the spell. To a level 80 mage, who knows all portal
spells, there is no difference in effort (time and cost wise) whether he
creates a portal to Dalaran, Shattrath, Ironforge or Theramore.

But the traveltime for the customer is longer to some destinations, that
is why they pay more since you are doing them a greater service.

I guess that is two viewpoints to one issue. I look at how much
inconvenience making a portal is to the mage and compensate them for that
(and hence offer the same tip no matter where the portal goes to) and you
look at how much time I gain and therefore milk me for as much as you can
;-)

Post by Pete B

Post by Urbin

Post by ScratchMonkey
How much time is it worth to you to level that mage to the level needed
for the particular port you want?

I am under the assumption that most mages levelled their char for other
reasons than to become portal providers.

Exactly - so if people want to bother us with that: cough up ;)

I do. When I ask for a portal (and I always do so very politely) I always
offer a 2g tip (which is more than 10 times the material cost). I just don't
see why I should offer 50 or even a 100 times material cost as a tip for
some places (I recall people suggesting 5g for Shatt and 10g for Dalaran) if
all it takes the mage is half a minute of work (or to just tell me no, I'll
accept that if it is as polite as my query :)

Cheers
Urbin

[Pete B]

Post by Urbin

Post by Pete B

Post by Urbin

Post by ScratchMonkey

Post by Urbin
Just out of curiosity, why do you feel the tip for Shatt and Dalaran
should be higher than for the capital cities? The ingredients are the
same (at least for Shatt, my mage is too small for Dalaran), so the
cost and time needed are the same... I always offer 2g when asking for
a port which is about 10 times the cost the mage has and have never
been refused so far.

The time is not the same.

I was referring to the time it takes to make the portal, not the time spent
until you could learn the spell. To a level 80 mage, who knows all portal
spells, there is no difference in effort (time and cost wise) whether he
creates a portal to Dalaran, Shattrath, Ironforge or Theramore.

But the traveltime for the customer is longer to some destinations, that
is why they pay more since you are doing them a greater service.

I guess that is two viewpoints to one issue. I look at how much
inconvenience making a portal is to the mage and compensate them for that
(and hence offer the same tip no matter where the portal goes to) and you
look at how much time I gain and therefore milk me for as much as you can
;-)

Or hope that i'll get a reputation for being greedy so people will stop
bugging me ;)

Post by Urbin

Post by Pete B
Exactly - so if people want to bother us with that: cough up ;)

I do. When I ask for a portal (and I always do so very politely) I always
offer a 2g tip (which is more than 10 times the material cost). I just don't
see why I should offer 50 or even a 100 times material cost as a tip for
some places

Indeed - I usually complained about that in all shops over the land, but
was told to pay up or get lost ;)

Post by Urbin
(I recall people suggesting 5g for Shatt and 10g for Dalaran)

I think i offered 20 for my first visit.

Post by Urbin
if
all it takes the mage is half a minute of work (or to just tell me no, I'll
accept that if it is as polite as my query :)

So you won't accept it if they are not polite - what do you do then? :)

[Urbin]

Post by Pete B

Post by Urbin

Post by Pete B
But the traveltime for the customer is longer to some destinations, that
is why they pay more since you are doing them a greater service.

I guess that is two viewpoints to one issue. I look at how much
inconvenience making a portal is to the mage and compensate them for that
(and hence offer the same tip no matter where the portal goes to) and you
look at how much time I gain and therefore milk me for as much as you can
;-)

Or hope that i'll get a reputation for being greedy so people will stop
bugging me ;)

That made me laugh out loud ;-)

Post by Pete B

Post by Urbin

Post by Pete B
Exactly - so if people want to bother us with that: cough up ;)

I do. When I ask for a portal (and I always do so very politely) I
always offer a 2g tip (which is more than 10 times the material cost). I
just don't see why I should offer 50 or even a 100 times material cost
as a tip for some places if all it takes the mage is half a minute of
work (or to just tell me no, I'll accept that if it is as polite as my
query :)

So you won't accept it if they are not polite - what do you do then? :)

Oh, you haven't encountered an angry hunter with [Club of Portal
Enforcement] yet? ;-)

Cheers
Urbin

[Brian Westley]

I've learned that Titanium lockboxes require maximum skill. No, they don't.
Yes, they do.

Yes, and no. They require 400 lockpicking skill, which is level 80
lockpicking, but many rogues have +5 lockpicking gloves, so a level
79 could open them, and a level 80 can skill up on them before hitting
the unmodified max of 400 skill.

---
Merlyn LeRoy

[ald]

On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:16:12 -0800 (PST), neithskye

Post by neithskye
Just wondered what Rogues here were charging, and it's been
informative. I've learned that Rogues should be paying me. I've
learned that Titanium lockboxes require maximum skill. No, they don't.
Yes, they do. And some Rogues are just kind.
See, I was all prepared to fork over probably 20 gold. I don't care.
It's just gold. I can sneeze at a mob in Northrend, and make it back.
It also saves me a Titanium bar to make a key - Titanium going for
plenty on the AH. And I just hate cheap people.

Post by Dr Richard Cranium
This isn't rocket surgery.

Indeed not, Dr. D. Head. :-)

Well, if you were still in Justus, you'd be able to get it opened for
free ;-) Orion's wife can already open all lockboxes, Craig's Rogue is
getting there, and mine will eventually (read: probably after the
Hunter hits 80). FWIW, I've never charged for opening a lockbox, but
have gotten (unsolicited) tips of between a couple gold and 20 or so.
But then again my Rogue's main occupation is dancing at the AH ;-)

[neithskye]

Post by ald
Well, if you were still in Justus, you'd be able to get it opened for
free ;-)

Well, I'm on a different server now . . . and also switched to
Horde . . . but if you can overlook those things, I'm sure we can work
something out. :-)

--
Jill

[ald]

On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:33:06 -0800 (PST), neithskye

Post by neithskye

Post by ald
Well, if you were still in Justus, you'd be able to get it opened for
free ;-)

Well, I'm on a different server now . . . and also switched to
Horde . . . but if you can overlook those things, I'm sure we can work
something out. :-)

Hey, *I'd* have no problem with it, anything for a friend, but I have
a feeling Blizzard might have a few objections ;-)

[DarkRose]

Post by neithskye
I am a generous tipper and have actually had Rogues remember me
(similarly, I'm sure they remember the el cheap-os). I tend to over-
tip, but don't even know the "range" for this type of lockbox.
--
Jill

I never "advertise" for opening boxes, so I normally just have people
whisper me when they see me in Dalaran, but I never ask for money,
usually get tipped between 5-10g for the highest boxes, but I'll take
whatever they give. If I were advertising, it might be a different
story. Always free for guildies as well. My theory is "I'm a rogue,
it's what I do" just like casting Fort buffs everywhere on my Priest,
lol.

[Xymmie]

Post by DarkRose

Post by neithskye
I am a generous tipper and have actually had Rogues remember me
(similarly, I'm sure they remember the el cheap-os). I tend to over-
tip, but don't even know the "range" for this type of lockbox.
--
Jill

I never "advertise" for opening boxes, so I normally just have people
whisper me when they see me in Dalaran, but I never ask for money,
usually get tipped between 5-10g for the highest boxes, but I'll take
whatever they give. If I were advertising, it might be a different
story. Always free for guildies as well. My theory is "I'm a rogue,
it's what I do" just like casting Fort buffs everywhere on my Priest,
lol.

I have to level my rogue next, as I've gotten several lockboxes that are
waiting to be opened. :)

I've never been paid for opening boxes. Most people don't offer, and the
ones that do, well -- people have done me favors, like the very kind
blacksmith that made me a fel iron rod since I had the mats -- I can do it
for nothing. If they open the trade window with gold already there, I'll
take it, though. ;)

Xymmie

[neithskye]

Post by Xymmie
I've never been paid for opening boxes.

I can't understand this. You're performing a service for me. I don't
care that it's part of the Rogue class. You're not my personal box-
opener. You're performing a service and should get paid.

Now, what would happen if a Rogue didn't open my box? A) It would sit
in my bank, never to get opened, and I'd never know what was inside.
B) As a Blacksmith, I can use a Titanium bar to make a key. Wowhead
says one bar is about 50 gold, but it takes two ore to make. Titanium
is very rare. Even though it makes 20 keys, do I really want to waste
Titanium like that? Also, I've found exactly one Titanium box so far;
Cobalt keys work fine for Froststeel and below; why make 20 keys for
one box?

I usually tipped 5 gold each for the Khorium boxes. And everything I
said about tipping applies to others, too - enchanters, etc. I may
have the mats, but if they don't do it, I don't get it.

Especially with how easy gold is to make in Wrath, but in general on
principle, I really, really question the people who will haggle and
complain over a small gold tip that is virtual money to boot. Do you
take a new, replacement muffler and your car to a mechanic and ask him
to perform the labour for free?

--
Jill

[Xymmie]

Post by neithskye

Post by Xymmie
I've never been paid for opening boxes.

I can't understand this. You're performing a service for me. I don't
care that it's part of the Rogue class. You're not my personal box-
opener. You're performing a service and should get paid.
Now, what would happen if a Rogue didn't open my box? A) It would sit
in my bank, never to get opened, and I'd never know what was inside.
B) As a Blacksmith, I can use a Titanium bar to make a key. Wowhead
says one bar is about 50 gold, but it takes two ore to make. Titanium
is very rare. Even though it makes 20 keys, do I really want to waste
Titanium like that? Also, I've found exactly one Titanium box so far;
Cobalt keys work fine for Froststeel and below; why make 20 keys for
one box?
I usually tipped 5 gold each for the Khorium boxes. And everything I
said about tipping applies to others, too - enchanters, etc. I may
have the mats, but if they don't do it, I don't get it.
Especially with how easy gold is to make in Wrath, but in general on
principle, I really, really question the people who will haggle and
complain over a small gold tip that is virtual money to boot. Do you
take a new, replacement muffler and your car to a mechanic and ask him
to perform the labour for free?

:D

I appreciate your rant.

I seem to have a mental rule that if a jerk-face asshole is spamming trade
begging for an unlock, I won't even respond. If someone asks me, politely,
to unlock something, I'll say "Sure" if they're right there. IOW, if I get
a whisper that says "Unlock, plz" with the trade window thrown in my face, I
won't do it. Some mannerless idiots don't even bother with the whisper and
just open the trade window. Bleah. I won't unlock for them, either.

I think my reasoning stems from a job I had yeeeeaaaars ago in a video
store. The owner would waive the late fee for anyone who made a big huge
fuss when returning videos past the due date. The people who brought in the
movies, stood at the counter and waited with their check books open or their
cash out for the late charge always had to pay. It didn't seem fair then,
and it doesn't seem fair now.

So.....if someone asks me nicely, I'll do it for nothing. If someone's a
jerk, I won't do it at all. Maybe I'll re-think, though, and charge the
rude ones 10g. ;)

Xymmie

[Catriona R]

Post by Xymmie
I appreciate your rant.
I seem to have a mental rule that if a jerk-face asshole is spamming trade
begging for an unlock, I won't even respond. If someone asks me, politely,
to unlock something, I'll say "Sure" if they're right there. IOW, if I get
a whisper that says "Unlock, plz" with the trade window thrown in my face, I
won't do it. Some mannerless idiots don't even bother with the whisper and
just open the trade window. Bleah. I won't unlock for them, either.
I think my reasoning stems from a job I had yeeeeaaaars ago in a video
store. The owner would waive the late fee for anyone who made a big huge
fuss when returning videos past the due date. The people who brought in the
movies, stood at the counter and waited with their check books open or their
cash out for the late charge always had to pay. It didn't seem fair then,
and it doesn't seem fair now.
So.....if someone asks me nicely, I'll do it for nothing. If someone's a
jerk, I won't do it at all. Maybe I'll re-think, though, and charge the
rude ones 10g. ;)

You have the same logic I did with my rogue - if someone asks nicely,
then sure if I'm not busy, I'll gratefully accept offered tips but won't
expect it (probably a good thing since I rarely got any tips - the only
one that sticks in the memory was when I was questing in STV and a nice
person gave me a stack of healing potions suitable for my level, but
that's the only one I ever remember!) The rude people can just go
elsewhere though! Same for people wanting my priest to heal their group,
if they ask nicely I'll at least say sorry, I don't feel like it right
now, but if they just say "spec?" or similar, I don't bother responding
at all :-P
--
EU-Draenor:
Sagart (80 Undead Priest)
Eilnich (70 Blood Elf Warlock)
Buinne (70 Troll Shaman)
Tairbh (70 Tauren Druid)
Balgair (70 Human Rogue)
Naomh (70 Draenei Priest)
Rosad (70 Human Warlock)
Sealgair (70 Dwarf Hunter)

[Urbin]

Post by Catriona R

Post by Xymmie
I appreciate your rant.
I seem to have a mental rule that if a jerk-face asshole is spamming trade
begging for an unlock, I won't even respond. If someone asks me, politely,
to unlock something, I'll say "Sure" if they're right there. IOW, if I get
a whisper that says "Unlock, plz" with the trade window thrown in my face, I
won't do it. Some mannerless idiots don't even bother with the whisper and
just open the trade window. Bleah. I won't unlock for them, either.
I think my reasoning stems from a job I had yeeeeaaaars ago in a video
store. The owner would waive the late fee for anyone who made a big huge
fuss when returning videos past the due date. The people who brought in the
movies, stood at the counter and waited with their check books open or their
cash out for the late charge always had to pay. It didn't seem fair then,
and it doesn't seem fair now.
So.....if someone asks me nicely, I'll do it for nothing. If someone's a
jerk, I won't do it at all. Maybe I'll re-think, though, and charge the
rude ones 10g. ;)

You have the same logic I did with my rogue - if someone asks nicely,
then sure if I'm not busy, I'll gratefully accept offered tips but won't
expect it

Same here. If I am asked nicely and they come to me I will provide any
crafting profession service for free. If they tip me I gladly accept but if
they don't that's fine, too. If they are rude I don't do it, not even for a
tip. If they expect me to travel to the other end of the world, they would
need to ask *very* nicely and I would need to have a free hearthstone
cooldown :-)

I can see hefty tips being expected on abilites that have a cooldown (primal
might transmution, specialty cloth creation, titanium transmute etc), but if
I needed the cooldown for myself even a tip won't make me give it away, if I
don't need it, I might as well give it away for free.

Now, just because I don't expect tips doesn't mean that I don't tip.
Generally I will try to find a guild mate to do it for free and if I have to
resort to strangers I'll ask nicely and tip generously. I have yet to find a
mage refusing me a portal to anywhere as I always say please and offer 2g
(though I know the ingredient is 18s or some lowly sum like this).

In my experience though, the contents of the lockboxes often don't even
cover the tip I give, so I am currently having those opened by guild mates
exclusively :)

Cheers
Urbin

[ScratchMonkey]

I've found exactly one Titanium box so far; Cobalt keys work fine for
Froststeel and below; why make 20 keys for one box?

Good to know that Cobalt works on Froststeel. I'll have to keep a set on
me.

At least keys don't eat bag space, so the fact that 20 Titanium keys will
last a long time isn't so bad.

[Urbin]

Post by DarkRose

Post by neithskye
I am a generous tipper and have actually had Rogues remember me
(similarly, I'm sure they remember the el cheap-os). I tend to over-
tip, but don't even know the "range" for this type of lockbox.

I never "advertise" for opening boxes, so I normally just have people
whisper me when they see me in Dalaran, but I never ask for money,
usually get tipped between 5-10g for the highest boxes, but I'll take
whatever they give.

Is the stuff in those boxes really worth that much (or hopefully more?).

I found that the BC lockboxes typically contained a BoE green whose
disenchant value was in the 1-3g range, so tipping a gold would already
pretty much negate the gain I made... This is the reason why I don't ask
strangers to open my lockboxes, I just send them to a guild mate who does it
for free, in return he gets free gem cuts and potions.

Cheers
Urbin

[neithskye]

Post by Urbin
Is the stuff in those boxes really worth that much (or hopefully more?).

I never found so, no. I'd always hope for some blue recipe or
something, but it was normally some green cloth item that sold for 1.5
gold.

Since I'd normally tip 5 gold for these boxes to be opened, it was a
money loss. Eventually I just mailed boxes to my banker. When Wrath
hit, I had like 20 of them, which I then opened with Cobalt keys. None
of them contained anything interesting.

But the Titanium box is blue, and I think is guaranteed to contain a
blue item at least, so I was willing to pay a little more.

--
Jill

[ald]

On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:20:37 -0800 (PST), neithskye

Post by neithskye

Post by Urbin
Is the stuff in those boxes really worth that much (or hopefully more?).

I never found so, no. I'd always hope for some blue recipe or
something, but it was normally some green cloth item that sold for 1.5
gold.
Since I'd normally tip 5 gold for these boxes to be opened, it was a
money loss. Eventually I just mailed boxes to my banker. When Wrath
hit, I had like 20 of them, which I then opened with Cobalt keys. None
of them contained anything interesting.
But the Titanium box is blue, and I think is guaranteed to contain a
blue item at least, so I was willing to pay a little more.

That might present a problem with the mailing them approach: if that
blue recipe is BoP, there's a major problem. I have one guild mate who
has been *very* generous with his time, sending my Rogue (who's *also*
my banker) bunches of lockboxes, even now when he knows I'm not
working on leveling her (and some that he's sent me will take another
5 levels before I can open them), and willing to wait until I can
skill up on them despite the fact that there are other Rogues in our
guild who can open them right away. Unfortunately, we discovered back
in BC that if I just picked the box, and sent it to him unopened, it
came back to him locked again. It sounds like I'm going to have to be
*real* careful when I get to those boxes, since I'm now in the habit
of just opening them and sending him the contents.

[Catriona R]

Post by ald
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:20:37 -0800 (PST), neithskye

Post by neithskye

Post by Urbin
Is the stuff in those boxes really worth that much (or hopefully more?).

I never found so, no. I'd always hope for some blue recipe or
something, but it was normally some green cloth item that sold for 1.5
gold.
Since I'd normally tip 5 gold for these boxes to be opened, it was a
money loss. Eventually I just mailed boxes to my banker. When Wrath
hit, I had like 20 of them, which I then opened with Cobalt keys. None
of them contained anything interesting.
But the Titanium box is blue, and I think is guaranteed to contain a
blue item at least, so I was willing to pay a little more.

That might present a problem with the mailing them approach: if that
blue recipe is BoP, there's a major problem. I have one guild mate who
has been *very* generous with his time, sending my Rogue (who's *also*
my banker) bunches of lockboxes, even now when he knows I'm not
working on leveling her (and some that he's sent me will take another
5 levels before I can open them), and willing to wait until I can
skill up on them despite the fact that there are other Rogues in our
guild who can open them right away. Unfortunately, we discovered back
in BC that if I just picked the box, and sent it to him unopened, it
came back to him locked again. It sounds like I'm going to have to be
*real* careful when I get to those boxes, since I'm now in the habit
of just opening them and sending him the contents.

It doesn't come back locked again, the tooltip while it's in the mailbox
may say locked but it opens - I thought it was locked also but once you
take out out of the mail it's unlocked.
--
EU-Draenor:
Sagart (80 Undead Priest)
Eilnich (70 Blood Elf Warlock)
Buinne (70 Troll Shaman)
Tairbh (70 Tauren Druid)
Balgair (70 Human Rogue)
Naomh (70 Draenei Priest)
Rosad (70 Human Warlock)
Sealgair (70 Dwarf Hunter)

[ald]

On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:18:33 +0000, Catriona R

Post by Catriona R

Post by ald
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:20:37 -0800 (PST), neithskye

Post by neithskye

Post by Urbin
Is the stuff in those boxes really worth that much (or hopefully more?).

I never found so, no. I'd always hope for some blue recipe or
something, but it was normally some green cloth item that sold for 1.5
gold.
Since I'd normally tip 5 gold for these boxes to be opened, it was a
money loss. Eventually I just mailed boxes to my banker. When Wrath
hit, I had like 20 of them, which I then opened with Cobalt keys. None
of them contained anything interesting.
But the Titanium box is blue, and I think is guaranteed to contain a
blue item at least, so I was willing to pay a little more.

That might present a problem with the mailing them approach: if that
blue recipe is BoP, there's a major problem. I have one guild mate who
has been *very* generous with his time, sending my Rogue (who's *also*
my banker) bunches of lockboxes, even now when he knows I'm not
working on leveling her (and some that he's sent me will take another
5 levels before I can open them), and willing to wait until I can
skill up on them despite the fact that there are other Rogues in our
guild who can open them right away. Unfortunately, we discovered back
in BC that if I just picked the box, and sent it to him unopened, it
came back to him locked again. It sounds like I'm going to have to be
*real* careful when I get to those boxes, since I'm now in the habit
of just opening them and sending him the contents.

It doesn't come back locked again, the tooltip while it's in the mailbox
may say locked but it opens - I thought it was locked also but once you
take out out of the mail it's unlocked.

Ah, ok, thanks, we'll have to give it another try ;-)

[neithskye]

Post by ald
That might present a problem with the mailing them approach: if that
blue recipe is BoP, there's a major problem.

I've found a couple of blue recipes as drops from mobs. One was a
JCing recipe and one was the Mithril shield spike plans, neither of
which were BoP.

As for the Titanium box, I realize these stats are new and probably
not entirely accurate yet, but according to Wowhead, it can contain
green and/or blue gems, greens, and/or one of a number of BoE blues.

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43624#contains

As for picking things up, heh, yeah. One of the first things I do when
I start an instance or party with anyone is turn off Auto-Loot. Yes, I
know you get a Roll pop-up and a confirmation that looting will bind
whatever item to you, but I'm still afraid I'm going to accidentally
pick something up that I shouldn't have somehow. :-)

--
Jill

[Behemoth]

On Dec 17, 11:44 am, neithskye

Post by neithskye

Post by ald
That might present a problem with the mailing them approach: if that
blue recipe is BoP, there's a major problem.

I've found a couple of blue recipes as drops from mobs. One was a
JCing recipe and one was the Mithril shield spike plans, neither of
which were BoP.
As for the Titanium box, I realize these stats are new and probably
not entirely accurate yet, but according to Wowhead, it can contain
green and/or blue gems, greens, and/or one of a number of BoE blues.
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43624#contains
As for picking things up, heh, yeah. One of the first things I do when
I start an instance or party with anyone is turn off Auto-Loot. Yes, I
know you get a Roll pop-up and a confirmation that looting will bind
whatever item to you, but I'm still afraid I'm going to accidentally
pick something up that I shouldn't have somehow. :-)
--
Jill

ahh that would take me forever to click on everything :P

I just leave it to autoloot

if I accidently pick up something that's not mine (one time I rolled
on a BoP Gem that was for tanks)

I just apologize to the group and say I pass on the next roll that
comes up

and most of the time people are cool with it

I've never found a group that found someone taking an item that no one
needed anyways to be a black mark ... because people know you're not
really ninja'ing it ... it was an accident

[ScratchMonkey]

Post by neithskye
As for picking things up, heh, yeah. One of the first things I do when
I start an instance or party with anyone is turn off Auto-Loot.

I tried that once and couldn't keep it straight. I'd forget that I turned
it off or forget to re-enable it. So now when in a group I loot with shift-
Loot to disable auto-loot on an item-by-item basis.