Automating movement/attacks in Wow

[Snowblade]

Well, I'm going to get yelled at, but here goes.

I use a Logitech G15 keyboard. As some of you may be aware this keyboard
has the ability through the G-keys to automate a sequence of keystrokes.
The really powerful capability lies in the ability to place timed delays
between each action in a macro. Let me give an example using my rogue.

With a single press of a G-key, my rogue can do the following:

1. gouge or kidney shot an opponent with places the opponent into a stun
2. run forward, jump, and perform a 180 degree turn (these are all done
simultaneously in 1.2 seconds which places my rogue behind the stunned
target and facing the target)
3. execute a backstab

Here is the G15 macro:

note: pressing a key and releasing a key are different actions:

press '8' (my gouge key)
release '8'
press 'w' (starts rogue running)
press 'space' (executes a jump)
release 'space' (note we haven't released 'w' so we are still moving forward
and in the air)
press 'a' (this starts a turn while we are still running and in the air)
delay 0.350 seconds
release 'w' (stop running - we have moved far enough to get behind opponent)
delay 0.850 seconds (we need more time to complete 180 degree turn)
release 'a' (stop turning)
press '9' (my backstab key)
release '9'

All these actions take about 1.2 seconds and are performed with a single
keystoke.

What think you fine folks? ;-)

[Eric D. Braden]

Post by Snowblade
Well, I'm going to get yelled at, but here goes.
I use a Logitech G15 keyboard. As some of you may be aware this keyboard
has the ability through the G-keys to automate a sequence of keystrokes.
The really powerful capability lies in the ability to place timed delays
between each action in a macro. Let me give an example using my rogue.
1. gouge or kidney shot an opponent with places the opponent into a stun
2. run forward, jump, and perform a 180 degree turn (these are all done
simultaneously in 1.2 seconds which places my rogue behind the stunned
target and facing the target)
3. execute a backstab
press '8' (my gouge key)
release '8'
press 'w' (starts rogue running)
press 'space' (executes a jump)
release 'space' (note we haven't released 'w' so we are still moving forward
and in the air)
press 'a' (this starts a turn while we are still running and in the air)
delay 0.350 seconds
release 'w' (stop running - we have moved far enough to get behind opponent)
delay 0.850 seconds (we need more time to complete 180 degree turn)
release 'a' (stop turning)
press '9' (my backstab key)
release '9'
All these actions take about 1.2 seconds and are performed with a single
keystoke.
What think you fine folks? ;-)

Nice macro.... for me to poop on!

Err...no, seriously. That's really cool and all, but (and I'm sure you
already realize this) it's pretty much cheating. It's doing things
Blizz has explicitly removed the in-game capability for. It's
basically just botting on a smaller scale.

There are nice little conveniences and time savers that I guess would
be kosher, but I can't think of any that aren't already handled nicely
by an existing mod.

Remember those controllers that you could program for your SNES? They
came pre-programmed with all the Street Fighter II special moves. I
hated em.....it's boring to just hit a button for a fireball ;(


YOGA!

[Snowblade]

Post by Snowblade
Well, I'm going to get yelled at, but here goes.
I use a Logitech G15 keyboard. As some of you may be aware this keyboard
has the ability through the G-keys to automate a sequence of keystrokes.
The really powerful capability lies in the ability to place timed delays
between each action in a macro. Let me give an example using my rogue.
1. gouge or kidney shot an opponent with places the opponent into a stun
2. run forward, jump, and perform a 180 degree turn (these are all done
simultaneously in 1.2 seconds which places my rogue behind the stunned
target and facing the target)
3. execute a backstab
press '8' (my gouge key)
release '8'
press 'w' (starts rogue running)
press 'space' (executes a jump)
release 'space' (note we haven't released 'w' so we are still moving forward
and in the air)
press 'a' (this starts a turn while we are still running and in the air)
delay 0.350 seconds
release 'w' (stop running - we have moved far enough to get behind opponent)
delay 0.850 seconds (we need more time to complete 180 degree turn)
release 'a' (stop turning)
press '9' (my backstab key)
release '9'
All these actions take about 1.2 seconds and are performed with a single
keystoke.
What think you fine folks? ;-)

I might add that this is a really funny sequence to observe when fighting a
mob. As you know mobs turn lightning quick to always face you. When I
perform this action and acrobat myself behind the mob, the mob turns really
quick to face me, but then the mob realized he should be stunned, so the mob
turns back around to face away from me, and goes then goes into a stunned
state. lol

[Thomas J. Boschloo]

Post by Snowblade
Well, I'm going to get yelled at, but here goes.
I use a Logitech G15 keyboard. As some of you may be aware this keyboard

[snip]

Post by Snowblade
delay 0.850 seconds (we need more time to complete 180 degree turn)
release 'a' (stop turning)
press '9' (my backstab key)
release '9'
All these actions take about 1.2 seconds and are performed with a single
keystoke.
What think you fine folks? ;-)

You should have a programmable mouse or you are still going to buy it in
PvP :-)

Thomas

[Snowblade]

Post by Thomas J. Boschloo

Post by Snowblade
Well, I'm going to get yelled at, but here goes.
I use a Logitech G15 keyboard. As some of you may be aware this keyboard

[snip]

Post by Snowblade
delay 0.850 seconds (we need more time to complete 180 degree turn)
release 'a' (stop turning)
press '9' (my backstab key)
release '9'
All these actions take about 1.2 seconds and are performed with a single
keystoke.
What think you fine folks? ;-)

You should have a programmable mouse or you are still going to buy it in
PvP :-)

I always buy it in PVP. So I try to be a little smarter.

[Thomas Jespersen]

Post by Snowblade
What think you fine folks? ;-)

Perhaps you would like LazyScript as well:

http://ithilyn.com/pmwiki/index.php/LazyScript/LazyScript

As for me, I tried lazyscript because:

1. I was curious
2. I was lazy, and needed to grind a lot levels with my mage.

In the end I found this one-button action very boring, so now I have
LazyScript no more..

But take a look at some of the submitted scripts, they are pretty
self-explanatory what they do, and you can do quite powerful stuff. That is
almost like botting, except you have to press a key every now and then.

Oh, and LazyScript will not work anymore when TBC arrives.

[Orion Ryder]

Post by Snowblade
Well, I'm going to get yelled at, but here goes.
I use a Logitech G15 keyboard. As some of you may be aware this keyboard
has the ability through the G-keys to automate a sequence of keystrokes.
The really powerful capability lies in the ability to place timed delays
between each action in a macro. Let me give an example using my rogue.
1. gouge or kidney shot an opponent with places the opponent into a stun
2. run forward, jump, and perform a 180 degree turn (these are all done
simultaneously in 1.2 seconds which places my rogue behind the stunned
target and facing the target)
3. execute a backstab
press '8' (my gouge key)
release '8'
press 'w' (starts rogue running)
press 'space' (executes a jump)
release 'space' (note we haven't released 'w' so we are still moving forward
and in the air)
press 'a' (this starts a turn while we are still running and in the air)
delay 0.350 seconds
release 'w' (stop running - we have moved far enough to get behind opponent)
delay 0.850 seconds (we need more time to complete 180 degree turn)
release 'a' (stop turning)
press '9' (my backstab key)
release '9'
All these actions take about 1.2 seconds and are performed with a single
keystoke.
What think you fine folks? ;-)

I think that that was you playing that rogue who dueled me in Darkshire
several weeks ago.

Or someone else who was trying out the same type of macro.

Still I don't mind. It just makes me sit and think up new solutions to
new problems that I face in battle.

Orion

[k***@gmx.de]

Post by Snowblade
Well, I'm going to get yelled at, but here goes.
I use a Logitech G15 keyboard. As some of you may be aware this keyboard
has the ability through the G-keys to automate a sequence of keystrokes.

Not that it would be something special, Cherry has programmable
keyboards for several years now. No idea why suddenly everyone mentions
the logitech keyboard.

[Matt McLeod]

Post by k***@gmx.de

Post by Snowblade
Well, I'm going to get yelled at, but here goes.
I use a Logitech G15 keyboard. As some of you may be aware this keyboard
has the ability through the G-keys to automate a sequence of keystrokes.

Not that it would be something special, Cherry has programmable
keyboards for several years now. No idea why suddenly everyone mentions
the logitech keyboard.

Because it's specifically pitched at gamers?

My understanding was that Blizzard really doesn't like people
using the programmable stuff on the G15 and that they ban accounts
or take some other action when they find people who are doing it.

I've got a G15 but I just use it for the extra keys. The G-keys
are reasonably well-placed for stance-dancing/auras/pet-control.

Matt

[pv+ (PV)]

Post by Matt McLeod
My understanding was that Blizzard really doesn't like people
using the programmable stuff on the G15 and that they ban accounts
or take some other action when they find people who are doing it.

Incorrect. The only person banned using a G15 was someone using it to run
unattended. *

[Yelps]

Post by Snowblade
Well, I'm going to get yelled at, but here goes.

Post by Snowblade
What think you fine folks? ;-)

It's the best keyboard. It does NOT violate Blizzard rules anymore then
making macros would be.

dc

[Eric D. Braden]

Post by Yelps

Post by Snowblade
Well, I'm going to get yelled at, but here goes.

Post by Snowblade
What think you fine folks? ;-)

It's the best keyboard. It does NOT violate Blizzard rules anymore then
making macros would be.
dc

But they limit their in-game macro system to avoid violating their own
rules. I'm not 100% clear on it, but I would certainly assume that
outside macros (the infamous "3rd party") would violate those rules,
especially when it comes to automation of gameplay.

I'm really liking the way this keyboard sounds... every key within 4
inches of my left hand is bound to something, I could use more buttons
:)

[Yelps]

Post by Eric D. Braden

Post by Yelps

Post by Snowblade
Well, I'm going to get yelled at, but here goes.

Post by Snowblade
What think you fine folks? ;-)

It's the best keyboard. It does NOT violate Blizzard rules anymore then
making macros would be.
dc

But they limit their in-game macro system to avoid violating their own
rules. I'm not 100% clear on it, but I would certainly assume that
outside macros (the infamous "3rd party") would violate those rules,
especially when it comes to automation of gameplay.
I'm really liking the way this keyboard sounds... every key within 4
inches of my left hand is bound to something, I could use more
buttons<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

The G15 does not do anything that the regular in-game macros, one can make,
can do and in no way does it do anything to the wow code. It just makes it
quicker and easier to create macros.

dc

[John Gordon]

The G15 does not do anything that the regular in-game macros... can do

I don't think so.

The OP described how he programmed a keyboard macro that moves his character
forward and turns him around, in preparation for a backstab.

Can an in-game macro do this?

[Yelps]

Post by John Gordon

The G15 does not do anything that the regular in-game macros... can do

I don't think so.
The OP described how he programmed a keyboard macro that moves his character
forward and turns him around, in preparation for a backstab.
Can an in-game macro do this?

YES


dc

Post by John Gordon
--
John Gordon "... What with you being his parents and all,
him." -- Robert Chang, rec.games.board

[Eric D. Braden]

Post by John Gordon

The G15 does not do anything that the regular in-game macros... can do

I don't think so.
The OP described how he programmed a keyboard macro that moves his character
forward and turns him around, in preparation for a backstab.
Can an in-game macro do this?

YES
dc

Er, no? All in-game macros require key presses for every action. The
above macro is several actions, including "holding" the movement keys.
And as far as I know, there is no script that makes your character move.

[K***@gmail.com]

I have a G15; I LOVE MY G15 and would defend to the death my right to
have one. : )

I have a bank of 18 fully programmable hotkeys on my left side broken
up into 3 clumps of 6 buttons that are really easy to hit from finger
memory without having to look down. add to that the fact that you can
swap those sets of 18 buttons out as MACRO set1 set 2 set 3 etc...

HOWEVER...

Yes if I were to use the programmable feature to time out and link all
in one button a "gouge run behind backstap" I would be violating the
TOS. Re-read the TOS if you think I'm wrong but to my mind making full
use of all of the little toys this keyboard offers would be a
violation. Hell I'm going to stop myself from explaining further but
as a theoretical excercize when I got the keyboard I figured out a way
to link several of the keyed macro's using another mod that in itself
is completely legal to make a mini bot that would simply require you to
use your mouse to run around to where you want to start a fight and
then click 1 button to start the fight and it takes over from there. I
did this JUST as a little mental excercize and tested it on a few trash
mobs and found that it worked fairly well (albeit with a hit to the DPS
because it was sometimes choosing some poor choices for closing moves
for a reason I couldn't entirely understand. Anyways I played and
tinkered with the entire script and keyboard macro functions for a few
hours a day for about a week and tested it on about a few dozen trash
mobs. When I got it worked out about as well as I could make it I
deleted it as it would be cheating to do it for real and immediately
became fascinated with my attempts to level up a paladin alt and get
level 1 naked toons into new and interesting places. I managed to get
a lvl1 night elf to UBRS (Well he had leveled up a few times just from
new discovered zones but i swear he had not done a single quest or
engaged in a single fight) and NO that didnt include any summons...


So back to the original point. Yes, I'm sorry to say that programming
multi function actions with timed delays is a violation of the TOS.
You can macro in game a /target x ; sinisterstrike and THAT is fine but
you can not ingame macro a /target x, gouge, run behind him, turn
around to face targets back; backstab in game. Anyone who says they
can macro that using the ingame macro feature is a liar.

And doing this makes all with computerized precision within a
milisecond is an unfair advantage. for that few second period your
character is a bot.

You should not do this.

You can enjoy MANY of the great features of this keyboard to legally
play the game (and by the way why not go all out and also get a nice
programmable mouse like the logitech mx1000 to add even more easy to
reach command buttons) without cheating so why push it?

Post by Eric D. Braden

Post by John Gordon

The G15 does not do anything that the regular in-game macros... can do

I don't think so.
The OP described how he programmed a keyboard macro that moves his character
forward and turns him around, in preparation for a backstab.
Can an in-game macro do this?

YES
dc

Er, no? All in-game macros require key presses for every action. The
above macro is several actions, including "holding" the movement keys.
And as far as I know, there is no script that makes your character move.

[Yelps]

Post by Eric D. Braden

Post by John Gordon

The G15 does not do anything that the regular in-game macros... can do

I don't think so.
The OP described how he programmed a keyboard macro that moves his character
forward and turns him around, in preparation for a backstab.
Can an in-game macro do this?

YES
dc

Er, no? All in-game macros require key presses for every action. The
above macro is several actions, including "holding" the movement keys.
And as far as I know, there is no script that makes your character move.

In all the blizzard posts i have seen on the subkect they never come out
with specific language saying, "you cannot use the macro keys on the G15" or
"you cannot use time delay in a macro" They always restate the TOS and leave
it at that.

Here is what Blizzard says:

"The use of sustained automated play grants an unfair advantage over players
who earn their achievements by actively playing through the game as it was
designed"

The G15 makes macros more accesible to those who have trouble finding the
time or inclination to learn to write macros, and anything that uses
keystrokes can be included in macros--even those with time delay
capabilities. There are ways of doing that. If you are going to do things
that are agaisnt the TOS rules, the G15 might make it easier, for a botter
but it is not the G15 doing the botting. I am not saying you can't find
ways to violate the TOS with a G15. You can write macros that can be
construed to violate the TOS and there are mods that can be construed to
violate the TOS.

There is nothing the G15 can do that cannot be done with regular macros, if
one wants to violate the TOS.. The forms of unattended botting or looping,
done by some could be done with macros as well but other "third party macro
software" programming is required to really grind unattended. A G15 isnt a
botter.Its that step into full automation where you would be really banned
and that would a combination of things used.

The G15 does not do "Botting" it is not in the category of "third party
macro software" that allows "unattended gameplay" and that is what Blizzard
bans. Blizzard has made it clear that it is the "unattended gameplay,"
such as afking for honor, or botting to grind, that it prohibits. They
have even included G15 support in recent patches, and said they will do more
support for it in ther future. this relates to the LCD screen feature.

Just as there are Macros one can write that ARE violations of the TOS, there
are ways to use the G15 against the TOS as well, just as there are MODs that
can be construed or be used to be agaisnt the TOS. But Blizzard has said
over and over that it is AFKING for Honor or Unattended Gameplay they will
ban, even though the TOS itself could be construed in various ways. When
Blizzard is asked about the G15 they just restate the unattended gameplay
rule. Its a grey area just like many mods have grey areas and could be
misued incombination with other things.

But here is what Blizzard has said:

"Unauthorized third party application:

A third party application includes any file or application that is not part
of the World Of Warcraft application, used to gain an in-game advantage,
such as increasing your movement speed or the ability to teleport yourself
from one place to another in a manner not permitted by the game's
conception. This includes any program that allows players to obtain
information on the game which is normally not obtainable, or to transmit or
modify certain game files. Normally, this does not include interface
modifications, except interfaces whose functioning depends on an outside
program."

and here is Blizzard again:

"Hi all,

I will repost a statement that we released earlier on this topic, regarding
this use of the functionality of the G15 keyboard.


Recently, players expressed some concern over the use of programmable gaming
peripherals while playing World of Warcraft. We want to make sure it's clear
that creating hotkeys for certain actions in the game is ok. However, if
these peripherals are used to automate gameplay to the point where the
player is able to conduct repeated actions in the game without paying
attention, then that will constitute a violation of our game policies. The
use of sustained automated play grants an unfair advantage over players who
earn their achievements by actively playing through the game as it was
designed. In the interest of maintaining an even playing field for all
players, we will investigate reports of automated play and take action as
needed to prevent this from occurring in the game."



The G15 does not in itself, violate this although a person could find ways
to violate the TOS with or without the G15.


dc

[Snowblade]

Post by Yelps
"The use of sustained automated play grants an unfair advantage over
players who earn their achievements by actively playing through the game
as it was designed"

Note the phrase "sustained automated play" in the above sentence. The macro
I wrote is not sustained automated play. It's duration is 1.2 seconds. If
you afk during the 1.2 seconds, you will die.

I am so happy to see this. Now on to more G15 macros ;-)

[Rene]

Post by Snowblade

Post by Yelps
"The use of sustained automated play grants an unfair advantage over
players who earn their achievements by actively playing through the game
as it was designed"

Note the phrase "sustained automated play" in the above sentence. The macro
I wrote is not sustained automated play. It's duration is 1.2 seconds. If
you afk during the 1.2 seconds, you will die.
I am so happy to see this. Now on to more G15 macros ;-)

Also, your programmed macro cannot react or adapt to things like
out-of-range, dodge, evades, or simple resists. It plays stupidly
through the sequence. It also cannot activate such events or sequences
based on other events, which bots do.

It's true though that such a keyboard can do slightly more than macros.
With WoW 2.0 in BC, macros are further restricted and no longer able to
make combat decisions (as in: if stunned use ability X else try to
stun). However the G15 never had this ability in the first place. The
current "smart buttons" will go away, because of the changes in the API,
reducing automation lower than it is today. This too has no relevance to
the G15 either, because it is in essence no more than one predefined
long string of sequence that it plays trough per button. The mechanism
is not smart and won't be. Which is mostly fine with Blizzard, though
they of course reserve the right to reverse their decision at any time.

I too, possess this keyboard since some weeks now, for the record. I
don't use the macro programming though, but I installed a "companion
addon" called G15übar (find it on curse) which gives me sort of
additional action bars which appear as a grid in the game and just
allows me to drop normal ingame macros and abilities there and have them
activated as I press the keys. So in a way, I just use the bonus keys to
reduce mouse-movement to activate abilities in my already overloaded ui
:) The display is nice, though I wish I could manipulate it from ingame,
it's a bit limited at the moment.

CU

René

[steve.kaye]

Post by Yelps
There is nothing the G15 can do that cannot be done with regular macros

You keep saying this but it is not true. You cannot write a single
macro to do what the original poster described. (i.e. gouge, run
around the back of the target and backstab)

The movement functions that used to be in that would allow this have
been protected by Blizzard and cannot be called by add-ons and macros.

Also, except for certain instant abilities, you cannot perform two
actions in one macro. So you could do a G15 macro to cast two
Frostbolts one after the other which you could not do in a macro. I'm
not even sure that the instant abilities thing hasn't been removed.

steve.kaye

[daman]

Post by steve.kaye

Post by Yelps
There is nothing the G15 can do that cannot be done with regular macros

You keep saying this but it is not true. You cannot write a single
macro to do what the original poster described. (i.e. gouge, run
around the back of the target and backstab)

This reminds me of my experiments with making macros on my hunter and
priest to open combat (which never worked, of course). Both had
standard, full range openers they always used. I sure would have liked
these for grinding, as it was always the same:

Hunter's mark
Aimed Shot
send pet
3.00001 sec delay
concussive shot
1.00001
serpent sting
(could add multishot somewhere, I guess)

AND

Mind blast
1.0001 sec delay
SW:P
1.0001
VE
1.001
mind flay
3.0001
mind flay

Looks like I could even add strafing or backing up during the instant
casts, too with that keyboard.

[Erwin S. Andreasen]

Post by daman
This reminds me of my experiments with making macros on my hunter and
priest to open combat (which never worked, of course). Both had
standard, full range openers they always used. I sure would have liked

Check out Zorlen's macro addons:
http://dzrealms.com/wordpress/

with those you can do some of what you want. Delays are not possible,
but you can set up enough state checking so that you can basically
mash a button to fire off your spells in that preset order.

E.g. on my hunter I do in a macro:
If not in combat:
if no target:
target nearest enemy mob
else if hostile target:
cast intimidation if available
cast hunter's mark
send in pet
else if in combat:
fire sting
fire arcane shot

So the first press of the key (the macro is assigned to TAB) targets
the nearest mob, the second sends in the pet and casts hunter's mark
then once enough threat has been generated, the next key fires Serpent
Sting and if my mana is high, I can press it again to fire arcane
shot. Each keypress can only cast one spell.

With the Zorlen macros you don't have to check whether the buff/debuff
is already on you or on the target: when use the castSting() function
in the macro it will not cast it if the target already has it
(furthermore it will select the right mana sting on spellcasters).

However, all this will be gone in 2 months' time as TBC will make it
essentially impossible for a macro to select which spell to cast in
the above "smart" manner.

[j***@hexduxhmp.org]

YES

Please post one or we'll know you're lying.

[Eric D. Braden]

Post by j***@hexduxhmp.org

YES

Please post one or we'll know you're lying.

I don't think he's lying, I think he's just misinterpreting the
question.

[Yelps]

Post by j***@hexduxhmp.org

YES

Please post one or we'll know you're lying.

You are right, I looked it up hoping I could find it, because I had been
to move forward and turn quite a while ago, it was one of the first macros
I ever tried, which I had taken from a forum;. but apparently it is blocked
and has been blocked since 1.10 patch from what I gathered from reading and
also in BC there will be additional blocks for movement and other things
from Addons and macros that block movement. How this will effect the G15 I
can't say.

There is nothing I can find where Blizzard specifically states that one
cannot use the G15 macro functions. They are asked repeatedly in the forums
and they just restate the general statement about "sustained automated
play." etc. I do not think that using the sequence of actions to kill 1
mob which requires 1 keystroke could be considered "sustained automated
play." or "unattended play." I have used the G keys of the G15 for chat
messages and for Soul Shard farming but I haven't included movement in those
recorded macros, just Dots and Nukes and Lifetap and never have I looped it
in anyway to produce something that could be called "unattended play."
Each mob has to be approached normally and then a keystroke and you have to
watch it to make sure no stuns or other variables cause the timing to be off
and you often have to interven and cancel a sequence. There is nothing in
the G15 that allows you to just walk away for more then a few moments--maybe
long enough to relieve your bladder and rush back if the bathroom is close
enough. . . The G15 is not set it and forget it like botting software
apparently is. I've spent hours watching botters i've seen and the G15 is
not capable of doing that without doing something else. One thing a person
could do with the G15 that is against the TOS is having it hit the space bar
every ten minute to prevent AFK. One person I had read who attended a trade
show where Logitech was using that as a selling point said Blizzard Reps
were standing right there and said nothing about that being a bad thing.


Dell and Alienware are bundling their gamer systems with the G15. Blizzard
says they will continue to support it.

dc

[j***@hexduxhmp.org]

Post by Yelps
I ever tried, which I had taken from a forum;. but apparently it is blocked
and has been blocked since 1.10 patch from what I gathered from reading and

Exactly

Post by Yelps
also in BC there will be additional blocks for movement and other things
from Addons and macros that block movement. How this will effect the G15 I
can't say.

Exactly, again.

Now riddle me this. If they're changing things *again* to remove the ability
for automation via macros/mods that can't even do whtat the G15 can do, don't
you think that perhaps they're not all that keen on the G15 macro ability?

My take on it is that doing anything which you can't do w/ the game engine
is considered a "violation" but that practically speaking you're only going
to get in trouble if you use it to essentially pseudo-bot.

[Yelps]

Post by j***@hexduxhmp.org

Post by Yelps
I ever tried, which I had taken from a forum;. but apparently it is blocked
and has been blocked since 1.10 patch from what I gathered from reading and

Exactly

Post by Yelps
also in BC there will be additional blocks for movement and other things
from Addons and macros that block movement. How this will effect the G15 I
can't say.

Exactly, again.
Now riddle me this. If they're changing things *again* to remove the ability
for automation via macros/mods that can't even do whtat the G15 can do, don't
you think that perhaps they're not all that keen on the G15 macro ability?
My take on it is that doing anything which you can't do w/ the game engine
is considered a "violation" but that practically speaking you're only going
to get in trouble if you use it to essentially
pseudo-bot.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Until Blizzard comes out with specific wording to the effect that the macro
features of the G15 cannot be used then it is hard to say what they are
saying about the G15. But what IS clear is the rule about "unattended play"
or using a trick to avoid afk in a BG is what is bannable and thats not what
the G15 is about. For me its a Soul Sharding tool to help me avoid
repetative motion injury while filling a Shard Bag before a raid. But at no
time can I leave it unattended for more then a few moments during cast
times. The phrase, "sustained automated play" should be defined a bit better
too since the word "sustained" is open to interpretation--but common sense
tells me that "sustained" means botting unattended.


dc

[Dan]

Post by John Gordon

The G15 does not do anything that the regular in-game macros... can do

I don't think so.
The OP described how he programmed a keyboard macro that moves his
character forward and turns him around, in preparation for a backstab.
Can an in-game macro do this?

YES

No. In-game macros cannot do this. They used to be able to, for
example there was a 'circle-strafe' macro that allowed you to run
and turn at the same time, useful for rogues. Blizzard removed the
functionality that allowed it a few patches ago. Each movement now
requires independent key-press events and macros and scripts cannot
'hook' the movement keys to do something else as well. (This was
done to break addons that did things like auto-buff as you move.)

The G15 keyboard macro described works because it generates
independent key-press events for each thing it does and the game has
no way to tell "faked" key-presses from those generated by a real
human finger.

Dan

[Dr. Richard Cranium]

oh that old thing. I can do this with a z-board no swet. 1.1 seconds.

prob being is Bliz finding out you bot. not good. Good enough reason for me
not to use out of game macros.

so G15 why do you bother to play WoW game ? Sounds like you get off just
doing your keyboard.

You G15 me - I report you to GM huh. bot K.O.ing


Some of you people really take all the pieces of cake !! You risk getting
suspended from WoW over some brain fart you can do with keyboard and tell
the world about it - what ? you blab here so we can all anoint your head
with oil and proclaim you the smartest ?
I really like the AH abusers who write about how they play the silver to
gold market between factions and oversell linen's from farm they got, as if
they just discovered their penis and what a wonderful thing that is!. Like
no one else has a clue ? hmmmm.... maybe not. Sure are a lot of folks like
you types in WoW. I like to play poker against you types.... cut to you
with Cheshire grin - you say " hell! game is mine, i gots 3 aces" - "I see
you bet and raise you 25 silver", "I'll take two cards" that you all over -
(huh huh) now what you think expression on other players face is going to
be now ?????

be the rogue - go stealth and shut up. imho...

P.S. i lied about the z board.

Hope this helps,

** no fate **

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Post by Snowblade
Well, I'm going to get yelled at, but here goes.
I use a Logitech G15 keyboard. As some of you may be aware this keyboard
has the ability through the G-keys to automate a sequence of keystrokes.
The really powerful capability lies in the ability to place timed delays
between each action in a macro. Let me give an example using my rogue.
1. gouge or kidney shot an opponent with places the opponent into a stun
2. run forward, jump, and perform a 180 degree turn (these are all done
simultaneously in 1.2 seconds which places my rogue behind the stunned
target and facing the target)
3. execute a backstab
press '8' (my gouge key)
release '8'
press 'w' (starts rogue running)
press 'space' (executes a jump)
release 'space' (note we haven't released 'w' so we are still moving forward
and in the air)
press 'a' (this starts a turn while we are still running and in the air)
delay 0.350 seconds
release 'w' (stop running - we have moved far enough to get behind opponent)
delay 0.850 seconds (we need more time to complete 180 degree turn)
release 'a' (stop turning)
press '9' (my backstab key)
release '9'
All these actions take about 1.2 seconds and are performed with a single
keystoke.
What think you fine folks? ;-)

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Post by Dr. Richard Cranium
You G15 me - I report you to GM huh. bot K.O.ing

Won't do any good. See Yelps' post and my reply. What I wrote is aok.

My G15 will own you, Dr ;-)