Every sceond xpac...

[Peter T.]

.. is a good xpac.

I liked WoD while I leveled through it, but I hit the boredom quite fast
at 100. Legion feels different. Dont ask me how or why.

Your opinion about the expansion, please.

[Lewis]

Post by Peter T.
.. is a good xpac.
I liked WoD while I leveled through it, but I hit the boredom quite fast
at 100. Legion feels different. Dont ask me how or why.

I dunno. There is a lot of "OK, you're level 110? Great, start grinding
resources"

[Peter T.]

Post by Lewis

Post by Peter T.
.. is a good xpac.
I liked WoD while I leveled through it, but I hit the boredom quite fast
at 100. Legion feels different. Dont ask me how or why.

I dunno. There is a lot of "OK, you're level 110? Great, start grinding
resources"

True. But its not the typical dailies anymore.

Gold is definitely not a problem anymore. With a little effort I can
make 2k gold just by doing world quests in 1-2 hours. Junk has become
gold. While leveling from 100 to 110 I made like 10-15k gold in 3 days
by vendoring junk + handing in quests. But this has an impact on prices
on AH as well. 850 epics easily goes for 150k+ gold. ^^

Despite I have done all zones but Suramar I still find loads of new
quests in the completed zones. I love that. :)

Dungeons are actually fun in this expansion compared to WoD.

Professions got a new overhaul. I like the idea behind the 1-3 stars
recipes. And also with professions there are loads of new quests. No
more ordinary training. Blizzard has taken some elements from vanilla
WoW and updated them to today's standards.

Etc.

I'm looking forward for raiding in this expansion! =)

[Lewis]

Post by Peter T.

Post by Lewis

Post by Peter T.
.. is a good xpac.
I liked WoD while I leveled through it, but I hit the boredom quite fast
at 100. Legion feels different. Dont ask me how or why.

I dunno. There is a lot of "OK, you're level 110? Great, start grinding
resources"

True. But its not the typical dailies anymore.
Gold is definitely not a problem anymore. With a little effort I can
make 2k gold just by doing world quests in 1-2 hours. Junk has become
gold. While leveling from 100 to 110 I made like 10-15k gold in 3 days
by vendoring junk + handing in quests. But this has an impact on prices
on AH as well. 850 epics easily goes for 150k+ gold. ^^

I am up 52K since Legion dropped. But there are many gold-dumps, like
the 2,000,000g spider mount.

Post by Peter T.
Despite I have done all zones but Suramar I still find loads of new
quests in the completed zones. I love that. :)

Yeah, but the world quests start repeating pretty quickly.

Post by Peter T.
Dungeons are actually fun in this expansion compared to WoD.

Hmm. I dunno. They are new, but there's nothing so far that seems all
that exciting.

[Tim Merrigan]

Post by Peter T.
.. is a good xpac.
I liked WoD while I leveled through it, but I hit the boredom quite fast
at 100. Legion feels different. Dont ask me how or why.
Your opinion about the expansion, please.

I enjoyed the one zone I've played so far, with a gnome distruction
warlock. Though my goblin subtilty rogue is stuck in the artifact
quest (can't kill Akaara).

I think, however that with the now four(?) continents it's only
possible to leave by portal, they should introduce harthstones to
Stormwind and Ogramar according to faction.

[Lewis]

Post by Tim Merrigan

Post by Peter T.
.. is a good xpac.
I liked WoD while I leveled through it, but I hit the boredom quite fast
at 100. Legion feels different. Dont ask me how or why.
Your opinion about the expansion, please.

I enjoyed the one zone I've played so far, with a gnome distruction
warlock. Though my goblin subtilty rogue is stuck in the artifact
quest (can't kill Akaara).
I think, however that with the now four(?) continents it's only
possible to leave by portal, they should introduce harthstones to
Stormwind and Ogramar according to faction.

There is a Stormind cloak that ports you to Stormwind.

[Catriona R]

Post by Peter T.
.. is a good xpac.
I liked WoD while I leveled through it, but I hit the boredom quite fast
at 100. Legion feels different. Dont ask me how or why.
Your opinion about the expansion, please.

Love it so far; I've reached the stage where I started to feel the
boredom in WoD, finished main questlines etc... but I keep opening new
quests up with new bits of story to tell. World quests are a lot more
interesting in both content and rewards than "fill the bar for a
currency that buys junk"; Suramar is so full of detail that I'm still
happily exploring it and discovering new things all the time, as
indeed I'm doing in every other zone, theyre so full of hidden things
to find.

Class storylines mean I've already started on an alt to see another
chain, even dungeons have been decent so far, in that I'm yet to
encounter a group that's made me quit them for the next year or so, as
usually happens within the first 4-5 runs I attempt :-P Granted I've
only tried a few due to connection problems (a healer who fails to
zone in would not be too popular since people tend to pull before
checking everyone's rpesent...) but I've certainly done more than I
usually manage.

A few annoying things, but so far they don't outweigh the good for me:
there's slightly too many quests that involve dungeons, and while I
can live with normal dungeons, I object to being asked to go to mythic
ones for main storyline quests (not even the side storyline for the
mythic-only dungeons in Suramar, but a major artifact-related one has
just sent me to Eye of Azshara mythic). Heroic is more than enough;
most the people who are into lore and story aren't the high-end
content types.

Also I really dislike finding myself suddenly in a pvp zone when I am
on a pve server for a reason: the static ones are bad enough, but at
least you learn where those are; the ffa ones which move depending on
the world quests of the day really bug me, they don't even warn you on
entering them.

[SF]

"Peter T." schreef in bericht news:nr7j2n$18if$***@gioia.aioe.org...

.. is a good xpac.

I liked WoD while I leveled through it, but I hit the boredom quite fast
at 100. Legion feels different. Dont ask me how or why.

Your opinion about the expansion, please.

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I'm very much behind all the guildies in leveling so I have finally reached
110 on only 1 of my chars and can't even do a heroic dungeon because gear is
too low. I did like some of the quests but the idea to level all of my
chars and get them geared is making me anxious.

SF

[Catriona R]

Post by Peter T.
.. is a good xpac.
I liked WoD while I leveled through it, but I hit the boredom quite fast
at 100. Legion feels different. Dont ask me how or why.
Your opinion about the expansion, please.
------------------------------------------------------
I'm very much behind all the guildies in leveling so I have finally reached
110 on only 1 of my chars and can't even do a heroic dungeon because gear is
too low. I did like some of the quests but the idea to level all of my
chars and get them geared is making me anxious.

Gearing is actually easier than it's ever been (outside of Timeless
Isle type catchup times hehe), if you don't mind picking out a few
world quests each day - I'm already 835 ilvl without doing any
dungeons higher than normal so far and am actually looking forward to
levelling and gearing my alts for once.

Simply do any world quests which reward gear: as your ilvl increases,
so too does the ilvl of the quest rewards (for a time, at least, it
mostly stops around 825-830, after that only some will go higher),
plus there's a decent chance that it'll warforge up 5-10 ilvls or even
titanforge (which is when it procced a 15+ ilvl increase). I've got 2
ilvl 850 items now (the current max possible; once raids open it'll be
895, although changes of titanforging going THAT high are slim; it'll
feel like a lottery win if you ever do get one hehe), and lots 830+.

Dungeon drops also have the chance to warforge/titanforge if you
prefer that for gearing btw, but I'd definitely take the time to do
worldquests when they offer gear for slots you have low ilvls in -
also the emissary quest (complete 4 world quests for the same faction)
was hotfixed yesterday to give a random item; mine gave 840 boots
yesterday so that seems to give a chance for decent gear too.

Also if you complete the order hall questchain that unlocks your 3rd
relic slot which is a big ilvl increase on your weapon (immediately
adds 25-30 ilvls if you have a relic to hand). I've been surprised how
well gearing went for me; when I hit 110 it looked like a pretty big
wall to get up to whatever will be required for LFR, yet as it is, 1
week later half my slots are now higher than LFR *drops*, so I guess
I'll be hoping for warforges in there - good thing I like the looks of
the LFR priest set, plus after Val'sharah seriously want Xavius's head
on a pike, so I've still got plenty motivation to go there :-P

[Peter T.]

Post by Catriona R
Gearing is actually easier than it's ever been (outside of Timeless
Isle type catchup times hehe), if you don't mind picking out a few
world quests each day - I'm already 835 ilvl without doing any
dungeons higher than normal so far and am actually looking forward to
levelling and gearing my alts for once.

After a dozen heroics with ordinary 825 drops and intensive gear farming
from world quests I'm 822. You have been in luck. :)

[Catriona R]

Post by Peter T.

Post by Catriona R
Gearing is actually easier than it's ever been (outside of Timeless
Isle type catchup times hehe), if you don't mind picking out a few
world quests each day - I'm already 835 ilvl without doing any
dungeons higher than normal so far and am actually looking forward to
levelling and gearing my alts for once.

After a dozen heroics with ordinary 825 drops and intensive gear farming
from world quests I'm 822. You have been in luck. :)

Heh, maybe I have then :-) Completing the order hall questchain helped
a lot as the 3rd relic slot gave my weapon a big boost, which in turn
tipped me over a 5 lvl range in my overall ilvl and increased the ilvl
of my rewards accordingly (base ilvl of many WQ rewards tends to
increase every time you increase in 5 lvl increments, eg 800, 805, 810
etc). Warforged/titanforged stuff doesn't hurt either, and I know I
*have* been lucky on a few of those!

Btw remember the order hall set can be upgraded, there's upgrade
tokens on the vendor in your order hall - if you've done tons of world
quests you can likely afford some resources to spend on the upgrade
items. I haven't bothered taking mine to 840 yet due to the cost but 4
pieces at 830 is handy!

That 4-piece setbonus is awesome too; I screwed up and went in a wrong
building in Suramar, found a strong elite and 3 adds beating on me,
figured I should just stand there and die... then realised my health
wasn't dropping so much once I got below 35% so maybe I should try and
fight - well I killed them fairly easily in the end, slowly but
safely, could easily outheal the dmg once the setbonus kicked in :-D

[Peter T.]

Post by Catriona R

Post by Peter T.
After a dozen heroics with ordinary 825 drops and intensive gear farming
from world quests I'm 822. You have been in luck. :)

Heh, maybe I have then :-) Completing the order hall questchain helped
a lot as the 3rd relic slot gave my weapon a big boost, which in turn
tipped me over a 5 lvl range in my overall ilvl and increased the ilvl
of my rewards accordingly (base ilvl of many WQ rewards tends to
increase every time you increase in 5 lvl increments, eg 800, 805, 810
etc). Warforged/titanforged stuff doesn't hurt either, and I know I
*have* been lucky on a few of those!
Btw remember the order hall set can be upgraded, there's upgrade
tokens on the vendor in your order hall - if you've done tons of world
quests you can likely afford some resources to spend on the upgrade
items. I haven't bothered taking mine to 840 yet due to the cost but 4
pieces at 830 is handy!

Thanks for the info. I will complete the order hall asap! I still have
1 locked slot so this will come in handy. :)

Post by Catriona R
That 4-piece setbonus is awesome too; I screwed up and went in a wrong
building in Suramar, found a strong elite and 3 adds beating on me,
figured I should just stand there and die... then realised my health
wasn't dropping so much once I got below 35% so maybe I should try and
fight - well I killed them fairly easily in the end, slowly but
safely, could easily outheal the dmg once the setbonus kicked in :-D

I'm 3/8 and I'm looking forward for the next setbonus.

[Catriona R]

Post by Peter T.

Post by Catriona R

Post by Peter T.
After a dozen heroics with ordinary 825 drops and intensive gear farming
from world quests I'm 822. You have been in luck. :)

Heh, maybe I have then :-) Completing the order hall questchain helped
a lot as the 3rd relic slot gave my weapon a big boost, which in turn
tipped me over a 5 lvl range in my overall ilvl and increased the ilvl
of my rewards accordingly (base ilvl of many WQ rewards tends to
increase every time you increase in 5 lvl increments, eg 800, 805, 810
etc). Warforged/titanforged stuff doesn't hurt either, and I know I
*have* been lucky on a few of those!
Btw remember the order hall set can be upgraded, there's upgrade
tokens on the vendor in your order hall - if you've done tons of world
quests you can likely afford some resources to spend on the upgrade
items. I haven't bothered taking mine to 840 yet due to the cost but 4
pieces at 830 is handy!

Thanks for the info. I will complete the order hall asap! I still have
1 locked slot so this will come in handy. :)

I was stuck in the 820s till I did that, suddenly jumped to about 830
after the relic slot and a few lucky worldquests :-)

Post by Peter T.

Post by Catriona R
That 4-piece setbonus is awesome too; I screwed up and went in a wrong
building in Suramar, found a strong elite and 3 adds beating on me,
figured I should just stand there and die... then realised my health
wasn't dropping so much once I got below 35% so maybe I should try and
fight - well I killed them fairly easily in the end, slowly but
safely, could easily outheal the dmg once the setbonus kicked in :-D

I'm 3/8 and I'm looking forward for the next setbonus.

Cool, hopefully fairly close then, I simply love that setbonus, have a
few higher ilvl items in my bags now but I won't unequip my set for
world activities :-)

[Adam Leinss]

Post by Peter T.
.. is a good xpac.
I liked WoD while I leveled through it, but I hit the boredom quite fast
at 100. Legion feels different. Dont ask me how or why.
Your opinion about the expansion, please.

Mixed.

Removed a lot of abilities from classes, such as elementals and earth
shield from the resto shaman and of course the class buffs like Arcane
Brillance. Seems to be dumbing down game play.

Forced questing...I like to level with dungeons on my resto shaman...they
nerfed the crap out of XP for dungeon leveling.

Dungeons are great...I like how you sometimes come in on an different
entrance to some of them and some bosses spawn in random spots...mixes
things up a bit.

Class Hall Missions...looks like you have to grind for Order
Resources...not too happy about that. I'm guessing they will fix this in a
later patch when people start to bitch.

I think if they fix Order Resources and dungeon XP, I would be happy.

[Catriona R]

Post by Adam Leinss
Removed a lot of abilities from classes, such as elementals and earth
shield from the resto shaman and of course the class buffs like Arcane
Brillance. Seems to be dumbing down game play.

I suppose pressing a buff button once an hour wasn't exactly
compelling gameplay... :-P I do miss the buffs though and don't really
understand the removal. The other abilities, well, they said they
wanted specs to feel more distinct and I guess they succeeded, but
some work for me better than others. Luckily I really enjoy both specs
I play on my main, and so far have no issue with the one alt I've
started to lvl, some other classes I was less sure about with the
limited playing I did during 7.0, but we'll see...

Post by Adam Leinss
Forced questing...I like to level with dungeons on my resto shaman...they
nerfed the crap out of XP for dungeon leveling.

Heh, I have a problem with forced dungeons, so I guess we're even :-)
Questing isn't that bad, healers are supposed to be less weak than
usual (can't speak for other classes but Disc is really *strong*,
while Holy is far less weak than it was in past expansions), and as
you can get all offspec artifacts by lvl 102 that is also an option if
you like other specs. I won't be one of those people who says "just
use your dps spec" though because I hate it when people say that to
me; I can understand if you have the same feeling as me on that!

Post by Adam Leinss
Class Hall Missions...looks like you have to grind for Order
Resources...not too happy about that. I'm guessing they will fix this in a
later patch when people start to bitch.

Depends how you define "grind" - world quests give several hundred per
quest, and treasures and rares you find while questing (plus some
major questline quests) normally give a few, too, enough to develop a
fair stock on the way up, while the world quests are a very fast way
to restock. If you *only* want to dungeon, some WQs are in dungeons,
too!

I'm constantly sitting on 20k plus of the things, even with spending
10k on research the other day I can't spend them faster than I gather
them at present; granted I do a lot of world quests but I don't
specifically target the order resource ones; I actually tend to aim
for the gear and artifact power ones more and only do resource ones if
I'm passing through an areas anyway and fancy some easy rep, so it
doesn't seem any hardship to get that. I think it'll only seem a
"grind" if you plan to leave characters inactive doing nothing but
missions, like with the old garrison. That's not the intent with
Legion; *we're* supposed to be the ones playing, not our followers ;-)

[Adam Leinss]

Post by Catriona R
I'm constantly sitting on 20k plus of the things, even with
spending 10k on research the other day I can't spend them faster
than I gather them at present; granted I do a lot of world quests
but I don't specifically target the order resource ones; I
actually tend to aim for the gear and artifact power ones more and
only do resource ones if I'm passing through an areas anyway and
fancy some easy rep, so it doesn't seem any hardship to get that.
I think it'll only seem a "grind" if you plan to leave characters
inactive doing nothing but missions, like with the old garrison.
That's not the intent with Legion; *we're* supposed to be the ones
playing, not our followers ;-)

Good to know. I've yet to reach 110, so I shouldn't really give any
reviews yet. However, I'm resting my monk and I'm already out of OR,
so I can't use the phone app anymore :(

[Catriona R]

Post by Adam Leinss

Post by Catriona R
I'm constantly sitting on 20k plus of the things, even with
spending 10k on research the other day I can't spend them faster
than I gather them at present; granted I do a lot of world quests
but I don't specifically target the order resource ones; I
actually tend to aim for the gear and artifact power ones more and
only do resource ones if I'm passing through an areas anyway and
fancy some easy rep, so it doesn't seem any hardship to get that.
I think it'll only seem a "grind" if you plan to leave characters
inactive doing nothing but missions, like with the old garrison.
That's not the intent with Legion; *we're* supposed to be the ones
playing, not our followers ;-)

Good to know. I've yet to reach 110, so I shouldn't really give any
reviews yet. However, I'm resting my monk and I'm already out of OR,
so I can't use the phone app anymore :(

Ahh, yeah, that'll happen, my druid's likely to run out if I don't get
questing soon as well, since he's not max lvl and hasn't quested all
that much. At 110 the resources do seem not much problem as long as
you don't mind spending a little time on world quests now and again -
you'll most likely want to go for the emissary cache anyway though (4
WQs for a particular faction gives you 1500 rep with that faction, a
chunk of artifact power and a chest that contains a random item and
gold, order resources or very rare chance at a legendary item), so can
just target order resource quests while you're doing it :-)

I have to laugh at the randomness of worldquest rewards btw, there's a
lot of variety in the quests, kill powerful elites (with other people,
it's shared tag though), clear out areas of mobs, do bombing runs,
or... remove invading squirrels from a friendly village lol. Guess
which one tends to give me the best reward of the day :-) Sometimes i
think there should perhaps be a slight limitation on the randomness so
the squirrels doesn't give better rewards than killing some really
powerful elite but hey, it's all fun anyway!

[Ashen Shugar]

I think it was "Peter T." <***@hotmail.cum> that wrote something
like...

Post by Peter T.
.. is a good xpac.
I liked WoD while I leveled through it, but I hit the boredom quite fast
at 100. Legion feels different. Dont ask me how or why.
Your opinion about the expansion, please.

Haven't had that much time to play, plus was a week late getting it
since I got a physical copy thinking there might be stuff on the DVD
that'd save hitting on my monthly download limit, so haven't seen all
that much yet. Also computer started freezing up more often recently.
Unplugged and plugged the graphics card and memory back into their
slots and blew a bit of dust around and it seems like it might be a
bit better now.

So anyway, my priest is 105 and only on his second Zone while my
warrior is 101 and part way into her first zone. But that said, I
really like that you can start in pretty much any zone you want. I'm
a bit concerned that both of my characters professions quests wanted
to go to the same zone (and not the ones I'd already chosen to go to)
but maybe that was just blind luck with Tailoring and Alchemy
matching, and the other professions will point at different zones. I
could look that up, but eh, I'll find out when I get around to my
other characters anyway.

I quite enjoyed the story telling in the Demon Hunter start zone,
though did the art style of the cut-scenes match anything done
previously or was it completely new? I liked it well enough, though I
did feel it might have been different for the sake of being different
rather than because it really improved anything.

I'm liking the weapons and their talent tree's. Makes me feel even
more so that they're slowly heading back towards how WoW was
originally, with the talent tree's defining your speck. Give em a few
more expansions and we might not *have* specs any longer and will just
have the one "spec" that we can mix and match talents to our taste,
kinda like diablo 3. I don't think I'd mind that, being able to blend
shadow and holy skills to create a "unique" spec that suits my play
style. :)


Ashen Shugar

[John Gordon]

Post by Ashen Shugar
originally, with the talent tree's defining your speck. Give em a few
more expansions and we might not *have* specs any longer and will just
have the one "spec" that we can mix and match talents to our taste,

I think specs are here to stay, as that's how it assigns roles (tank,
heal, dps) for random dungeons, battlegrounds, and LFR.

[Ashen Shugar]

I think it was John Gordon <***@panix.com> that wrote something
like...

Post by John Gordon

Post by Ashen Shugar
originally, with the talent tree's defining your speck. Give em a few
more expansions and we might not *have* specs any longer and will just
have the one "spec" that we can mix and match talents to our taste,

I think specs are here to stay, as that's how it assigns roles (tank,
heal, dps) for random dungeons, battlegrounds, and LFR.

True, but it used to work without them. It would just be a matter of
whether Blizzard thinks people would complain about/at them for
someone signing up as a tank in a build that hadn't taken any real
tanking skills or whether people would just send death threats to the
person that signed up without a satisfactory build.

I quite liked how Path of Exile did their talent tree's. While in
their case, it was one massive web for all classes, and the class you
picked just specified where in it you started from, something similar
could work for WoW. Each class would have their own "web", with 2 or
more places you could choose to start from, and your spec would be
determined by which place or area you chose to start from.
But it probably would make it even harder to balance the various
classes in any sort of fashion.

Anyway, guess we'll see how things have progressed in another 5 years
or so. :)

Ashen Shugar

[Catriona R]

Post by Ashen Shugar
So anyway, my priest is 105 and only on his second Zone while my
warrior is 101 and part way into her first zone. But that said, I
really like that you can start in pretty much any zone you want. I'm
a bit concerned that both of my characters professions quests wanted
to go to the same zone (and not the ones I'd already chosen to go to)
but maybe that was just blind luck with Tailoring and Alchemy
matching, and the other professions will point at different zones. I
could look that up, but eh, I'll find out when I get around to my
other characters anyway.

Jewelcrafting and Alchemy both pointed at the same zone for me
(Azsuna) so irritatingly I think it's not so random as it should be.
You can use your scouting map to get a flightpath to another zone
before finishing the first one btw, you don't *have* to complete one
before being able to go to another, but still, it gets annoying when
your profession quest goes to a zone you aren't doing. Also alchemy
sending me into a dungeon at lvl 102 was a bit annoying, JC at least
waited till 110 before throwing dungeon quests at me.

Post by Ashen Shugar
I quite enjoyed the story telling in the Demon Hunter start zone,
though did the art style of the cut-scenes match anything done
previously or was it completely new? I liked it well enough, though I
did feel it might have been different for the sake of being different
rather than because it really improved anything.

I need to do that zone soon; meant to do it before Legion but I messed
up and had no empty character slots on the account which was
preordered, doh, I'll get to it soon though, really want to see the
story there.