*wind whistles*

[Catriona R]

*a tumbleweed drifts by*


Anyone out there? :-P If so what are you guys up so, anyone doing
anything in WoW? If not, what else are you playing? :-)

I'm kinda playing WoW, logged on daily for the Valentine's boss,
having powerlevelled an alt to 100 beforehand so I had 4 shots each
day, naturally the mount did not drop :-) Doing worldbosses once a
week, Ashran whenever running out of bones reminds me I've not been
for a while (I've actually unlocked the weapons for 7k+ conquest,
which is quite good for me; I usually don't pvp much at all!), and I'm
doing a little HFC LFR now, as my bf catching up to me in the
legendary chain has prompted me to stop slacking and at least make a
start on collecting the tomes! I'm easily confused if I try too much
new stuff at once so doing one wing at a time, first two wings aren't
much trouble, phew, will see how the 3rd one goes in the next few days
:-)

Outside WoW, I'm still playing, erm, WoW, in vanilla form - now lvl
60, got more nice dungeon blues than my main at the time ever had, and
an alt hit 40 tonight too. So far, I'm loving it, seems the vanilla
nostalgia wasn't all rose-tinted glasses for me, I really do enjoy the
slower pace and emphasis on levelling and the journey rather than just
endgame over all. However it is very group-dependent; I've been lucky
enough to fall into a really nice guild where I actually feel
comfortable (as a very *not* social person, that was a surprise!),
which is probably why I'm still there; soloing as I do on retail
nowadays, I think I'd have been long gone once I ran out of soloable
things to do. Hoping some of the vanilla friends I've made play Legion
when that comes out so at least occasional grouping via battletag
might be an option!

[Lewis]

Post by Catriona R
*a tumbleweed drifts by*
Anyone out there? :-P If so what are you guys up so, anyone doing
anything in WoW? If not, what else are you playing? :-)

I found out recently that thtere were 5 body guards, and they all have
different abilities, so I went out and got them all and leveled their
reps to max, getting each of their special skills and the Wingmen
achievement.

From memory, the special skills are: Port to garrison, access to
mailbox, access to mission table, access to repairs, and a summoning
stone ability.

Other than that, I occasionally log in to my 97s and think about
leveling them

[John Gordon]

Post by Lewis
I found out recently that thtere were 5 body guards, and they all have
different abilities, so I went out and got them all and leveled their
reps to max, getting each of their special skills and the Wingmen
achievement.
From memory, the special skills are: Port to garrison, access to
mailbox, access to mission table, access to repairs, and a summoning
stone ability.

Ooh, nice! I'll have to look up the other four. :-)

I did find a nice place to powerlevel a bodyguard's rep. It was a tree
filled with wasp mobs that respawn very quickly. In Gorgrond, I think.
If anyone wants, I can try to come up with more details.

Other than that, mainly doing garrison missions for gold.

I finally got the healing trinket from the last LFR boss in Hellfire
Citadel for all my healers.

[Lewis]

Post by John Gordon

Post by Lewis
I found out recently that thtere were 5 body guards, and they all have
different abilities, so I went out and got them all and leveled their
reps to max, getting each of their special skills and the Wingmen
achievement.
From memory, the special skills are: Port to garrison, access to
mailbox, access to mission table, access to repairs, and a summoning
stone ability.

Ooh, nice! I'll have to look up the other four. :-)
I did find a nice place to powerlevel a bodyguard's rep. It was a tree
filled with wasp mobs that respawn very quickly. In Gorgrond, I think.
If anyone wants, I can try to come up with more details.

The burning front in Nagrand has a constant stream of level 95 demons
that simply melt. I stood there and hit "tab multi shot pause 5 seconds
repeat"

If there was a decent gamepad for the Mac, I could have simply walked
away.

Post by John Gordon
Other than that, mainly doing garrison missions for gold.

I'm up over 1/4 million gold now, so I've stopped even doing that. I
could level the legendary ring, but have *zero* interest in doing so.

[Catriona R]

On Fri, 11 Mar 2016 15:23:48 -0000 (UTC), Lewis

Post by Lewis

Post by Catriona R
*a tumbleweed drifts by*
Anyone out there? :-P If so what are you guys up so, anyone doing
anything in WoW? If not, what else are you playing? :-)

I found out recently that thtere were 5 body guards, and they all have
different abilities, so I went out and got them all and leveled their
reps to max, getting each of their special skills and the Wingmen
achievement.

Ah nice one, I remember doing that, most were quite good to work with
but Aeda Brightdawn (the warlock) is a nightmare - I can't remember
your faction but if you're Alliance, you're lucky, you get a lovely
pally tank bodyguard instead. The warlock is Horde's "tank" - she is
fantastic at holding aggro, certainly, unfortunately she's rather good
at grabbing aoe aggro from *everything* around, whether it be tagged
by me or not, and then dying. I basically had to set her as my focus
and heal her most the time, was so relieved when I finally reached
exalted and could get rid of her :-P

Post by Lewis
From memory, the special skills are: Port to garrison, access to
mailbox, access to mission table, access to repairs, and a summoning
stone ability.

I never remember to use those, although they're certainly pretty nice,
especially the summon one. I normally use Talonpriest Ishaal for
normal play, just because he's ranged and so doesn't tend to stand in
silly places that aggro extra mobs, plus he is single target ranged
not aoe, unlike that warlock! Really wish I could get the Alliance
pally; I had her on the beta and she was great. I need to lvl an
Alliance alt sometime soon, still haven't got round to that :-)

Post by Lewis
Other than that, I occasionally log in to my 97s and think about
leveling them

Hehe yeah, I do that with my 91's and my 93... the 95 actually did
make it to 100 in time for valentine's because I wanted an extra shot
at the boss kills! The more I look at Legion and class specific
things, the more I want to get some more alts to 100 though, I'm
liking the idea of actual questlines which are different depending on
your class, nice to get some variety rather than each alt doing the
same old same old.

[unknown]

Post by Catriona R
I never remember to use those, although they're certainly pretty nice,
especially the summon one. I normally use Talonpriest Ishaal for
normal play, just because he's ranged and so doesn't tend to stand in
silly places that aggro extra mobs, plus he is single target ranged
not aoe, unlike that warlock! Really wish I could get the Alliance
pally; I had her on the beta and she was great. I need to lvl an
Alliance alt sometime soon, still haven't got round to that :-)

Post by Lewis
Other than that, I occasionally log in to my 97s and think about
leveling them

Hehe yeah, I do that with my 91's and my 93... the 95 actually did
make it to 100 in time for valentine's because I wanted an extra shot
at the boss kills! The more I look at Legion and class specific
things, the more I want to get some more alts to 100 though, I'm
liking the idea of actual questlines which are different depending on
your class, nice to get some variety rather than each alt doing the
same old same old.

followers:

http://www.wowhead.com/garrisonability=231/bodyguard

I found most of them to be fairly unpredictable and often burned through
a couple in succession at tough points. Solo on minibosses etc.
I had all of them on all 100s , 6 or 7??

I found too many alts , enough to do a full profession mini economy a
pain. Consider that may not enjoy more alts/mains. The time to get a new
one up and useful is usually no way worth for me . Mostly because
somehow I feel obligated. I can't leave one to rot once I have it so
none gets totally kitted out.
The idea of a new expansion and ANOTHER 100+ 'free' is not appealing.
That and the shoulders are pumped full of cortisone and painkillers so
can't really play these tenth-second response games much. Everything is
past expiry date.

what am I doing:

New shed, new welder , weeds keep growing ,plenty else to do.

No WOW still, every time I go to start it just seems like too much work
to start again. I tend to dredge out 20 year old games and replay them,
just as interesting to fill in a few hours mostly.
Those who can , do, those who can't, watch. Hmmm, maybe a bit of WOW
and other games..on Twitch and youtube gaming. 100Mbps and unlimited
quota fibre doesn't hurt.

While the streamers are pretty good and of course they are distracted
I find their lack of situational awareness infuriating. They are used to
running in groups and having someone in the groups notice and report. As
solo they get lost, miss cues that are right on screen that are
important. Of course it is easy when you aren't actually 'there' but
really they have group tunnel vision instead of solo hyper-vigilant
vision. LOOK it is right THERE, FLASHING in ORANGE, with AUDIO WARNING
!!!! ARRRRRGHHH :-)
Still , it scratches the itch.
Oh, look at the toxicity. Now I remember why I stopped MMO :-)

[Lewis]

Post by unknown

Post by Catriona R
I never remember to use those, although they're certainly pretty nice,
especially the summon one. I normally use Talonpriest Ishaal for
normal play, just because he's ranged and so doesn't tend to stand in
silly places that aggro extra mobs, plus he is single target ranged
not aoe, unlike that warlock! Really wish I could get the Alliance
pally; I had her on the beta and she was great. I need to lvl an
Alliance alt sometime soon, still haven't got round to that :-)

Post by Lewis
Other than that, I occasionally log in to my 97s and think about
leveling them

Hehe yeah, I do that with my 91's and my 93... the 95 actually did
make it to 100 in time for valentine's because I wanted an extra shot
at the boss kills! The more I look at Legion and class specific
things, the more I want to get some more alts to 100 though, I'm
liking the idea of actual questlines which are different depending on
your class, nice to get some variety rather than each alt doing the
same old same old.

http://www.wowhead.com/garrisonability=231/bodyguard
I found most of them to be fairly unpredictable and often burned through
a couple in succession at tough points. Solo on minibosses etc.
I had all of them on all 100s , 6 or 7??
I found too many alts , enough to do a full profession mini economy a
pain. Consider that may not enjoy more alts/mains. The time to get a new
one up and useful is usually no way worth for me . Mostly because
somehow I feel obligated. I can't leave one to rot once I have it so
none gets totally kitted out.

Kitting them out is trivial though.

As little as I play I have well over a hundred followers, all are at
ilvl 675 except for the brand new ones this week who are not levl 100
yet.

I get a new lvl 100 follower every week from the Inn and by the next
week that follower is almost always lvl 100.

The Dwarven bunker provides plenty of item upgrades for them.

Post by unknown
No WOW still, every time I go to start it just seems like too much work
to start again. I tend to dredge out 20 year old games and replay them,
just as interesting to fill in a few hours mostly.

Blizzard just patched Dialbo II. Yes, I said Diablo II.

[unknown]

Post by Lewis

Post by unknown
I found too many alts , enough to do a full profession mini economy a
pain. Consider that may not enjoy more alts/mains. The time to get a new
one up and useful is usually no way worth for me . Mostly because
somehow I feel obligated. I can't leave one to rot once I have it so
none gets totally kitted out.

Kitting them out is trivial though.
As little as I play I have well over a hundred followers, all are at
ilvl 675 except for the brand new ones this week who are not levl 100
yet.
I get a new lvl 100 follower every week from the Inn and by the next
week that follower is almost always lvl 100.

I was talking about the actual characters. By armory they are around
650-ish, not played for a year. Oh hey, they are still in their guilds
who were punting inactives back then, must not be very active now.

I could have 25 active followers with bunker and 15-20 inactive per
character on rotation for quest needs equals 250+ back then. Before
ships and Tannan Jungle and flying.

Post by Lewis
The Dwarven bunker provides plenty of item upgrades for them.

Post by unknown
No WOW still, every time I go to start it just seems like too much work
to start again. I tend to dredge out 20 year old games and replay them,
just as interesting to fill in a few hours mostly.

Blizzard just patched Dialbo II. Yes, I said Diablo II.

Now playing Total Annihilation from 1997 and Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
from 1999. 400 fighter airfleets don't get bogged down on a modern
processor unlike a 400MHz processor back then :-) Some games refuse to
run. Others take 20 years in their stride. Shows how well programmed
some were.

XCOM2 looks good to try because it is turn based.
The Division was looking good, a bit WOW-ish to start.
But it only came out March 8 and there are already streamers at 40ish
being Uber at everybody so NOPE.

[unknown]

Post by unknown
The Division was looking good, a bit WOW-ish to start.
But it only came out March 8 and there are already streamers at 40ish
being Uber at everybody so NOPE.

I was mistaken , lvl 30 is the current cap, so MAX LEVEL players in
under a week? NOPE NOPE double NOPE:-)

[Catriona R]

On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 14:53:55 -0000 (UTC), Lewis

Post by Lewis
As little as I play I have well over a hundred followers, all are at
ilvl 675 except for the brand new ones this week who are not levl 100
yet.
I get a new lvl 100 follower every week from the Inn and by the next
week that follower is almost always lvl 100.

Wow, that's a lot of followers! I stopped recruiting when I got a
bunch I liked and that seemed to cover everything, alts are still
recruiting though.

Post by Lewis
The Dwarven bunker provides plenty of item upgrades for them.

Great source of gold once you've got as many maxed-out followers as
you need, they vendor for 18g-odd and you get tons oft he things; my
main doesn't have that building any more but alts all do.

Post by Lewis

Post by unknown
No WOW still, every time I go to start it just seems like too much work
to start again. I tend to dredge out 20 year old games and replay them,
just as interesting to fill in a few hours mostly.

Blizzard just patched Dialbo II. Yes, I said Diablo II.

Warcraft 3 is getting patched shortly (if not already) too, seems
they're looking at a few of the older games! Just wish they'd add them
to the Battle.net launcher and make downloads easy; I'd probably try
D2 if I could just buy and install it (for a reasonable price) via
Blizzard.

Back in WoW I'm actually kinda working on the legendary ring again, up
to 7 tomes... last week's first LFR was weird though, kill 1st boss,
all fine, pull 2nd boss, 5 sec later, loading screen, garrison. Given
we were in combat (and had hardly been out of combat more than 20-30
sec from the last boss) I doubt I could've been kicked, and anyway 10
sec later the next LFR I'd queued popped and there were 3 names I
recognised from previous group, including the maintank! Guess the last
one crashed or something, weird one.

[Ashen Shugar]

I think it was Catriona R <***@totalise.co.uk> that wrote
something like...

Post by Catriona R
On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 14:53:55 -0000 (UTC), Lewis

Post by Lewis

Post by unknown
No WOW still, every time I go to start it just seems like too much work
to start again. I tend to dredge out 20 year old games and replay them,
just as interesting to fill in a few hours mostly.

Blizzard just patched Dialbo II. Yes, I said Diablo II.

Warcraft 3 is getting patched shortly (if not already) too, seems
they're looking at a few of the older games! Just wish they'd add them
to the Battle.net launcher and make downloads easy; I'd probably try
D2 if I could just buy and install it (for a reasonable price) via
Blizzard.

I've heard the D2 patch needs some patching. ; )

So even if it is possible, you may want to wait a bit before jumping
on em. At least I've read about a *lot* of trouble with the OS/X
version.

Ashen Shugar

[Catriona R]

Post by Ashen Shugar
something like...

Post by Catriona R
Warcraft 3 is getting patched shortly (if not already) too, seems
they're looking at a few of the older games!

And indeed, patched today:
http://us.battle.net/en/forum/topic/20742874519

Post by Ashen Shugar
Just wish they'd add them

Post by Catriona R
to the Battle.net launcher and make downloads easy; I'd probably try
D2 if I could just buy and install it (for a reasonable price) via
Blizzard.

I've heard the D2 patch needs some patching. ; )
So even if it is possible, you may want to wait a bit before jumping
on em. At least I've read about a *lot* of trouble with the OS/X
version.

Hehe yeah I saw some posts about that on the D2 ng, I still lurk over
there but don't post, since having not actually played the game, I'm
not really a proper member - but people mention D3 occasionally and
there's a few old agw names there, so I read it anyway :-)

Just found it is indeed buyable through Battle.net, although I suspect
not in the launcher, but still, seems cheaper than buying the discs,
so I might just do it next time I've got some time to fill
https://eu.battle.net/shop/en/product/diablo-ii

[Shinnokxz]

And that's that with Nostalrius. Too bad.

Though it appears the vanilla server community and outcry has reached levels it's never been before. Sooner or later Blizzard is going to have to breach the subject and offer something up. I saw a good sum of people cancel their retail subscription out of principle after the shutdown.

The Nostalrius folk will release their work, supposedly, to an abled party. Most likely a party where Blizzard lawyers won't have the reach to get to.

The shutdown was typical Blizzard show, but really pissed on the people looking for a reason to even bother with WoW anymore. I suspect when Legion is released and subscribers have reached an all time low post-xpac release, then Blizzard will consider giving it a whirl. Only then will I even bother giving them money since it impossible for them to muck up a Vanilla server

[Lewis]

Post by Shinnokxz
And that's that with Nostalrius. Too bad.
Though it appears the vanilla server community and outcry has reached
levels it's never been before. Sooner or later Blizzard is going to
have to breach the subject and offer something up.

No they will not.

Post by Shinnokxz
The shutdown was typical Blizzard show, but really pissed on the
people looking for a reason to even bother with WoW anymore. I suspect
when Legion is released and subscribers have reached an all time low
post-xpac release, then Blizzard will consider giving it a whirl.

No. That is never going to happen.

[Catriona R]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 09:29:11 -0000 (UTC), Lewis

Post by Lewis

Post by Shinnokxz
And that's that with Nostalrius. Too bad.
Though it appears the vanilla server community and outcry has reached
levels it's never been before. Sooner or later Blizzard is going to
have to breach the subject and offer something up.

No they will not.

Post by Shinnokxz
The shutdown was typical Blizzard show, but really pissed on the
people looking for a reason to even bother with WoW anymore. I suspect
when Legion is released and subscribers have reached an all time low
post-xpac release, then Blizzard will consider giving it a whirl.

No. That is never going to happen.

That's a pretty confident assertion, I don't think anyone can say
"never" with Blizzard. Times change, and right now they're throwing
away money by not offering a service which would have interested a LOT
of people during the content drought, at not a huge cost to them;
repurpose a few of the empty retail servers (couple more mergers would
do the trick), set up the old scripts and move a skeleton crew across
to maintain it (mainly an anti botting/hacking team), and... job done.
150k active accounts, well, even if that's an exaggeration of real
activity, the 15k+ online concurrently is not (and this was sustained
across two regions' peak hours, and mostly across a third, it's going
to be well over 25k actually very active), and while some of those
would not pay, that can be offset by the people who might well be
willing to pay for it if they were aware of it/it was official. I
definitely wouldn't say "never" on this, even if it seems unlikely.

[Urbin]

Post by Catriona R
On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 09:29:11 -0000 (UTC), Lewis

Post by Lewis

Post by Shinnokxz
And that's that with Nostalrius. Too bad.
Though it appears the vanilla server community and outcry has reached
levels it's never been before. Sooner or later Blizzard is going to
have to breach the subject and offer something up.

No they will not.

Post by Shinnokxz
The shutdown was typical Blizzard show, but really pissed on the
people looking for a reason to even bother with WoW anymore. I suspect
when Legion is released and subscribers have reached an all time low
post-xpac release, then Blizzard will consider giving it a whirl.

No. That is never going to happen.

That's a pretty confident assertion, I don't think anyone can say
"never" with Blizzard.

While that is true...

Post by Catriona R
Times change, and right now they're throwing away money by not offering a
service which would have interested a LOT of people

... but I am not convinced that operating vanilla servers would be
economically viable for them. I don't know the inner workings of Blizzard
but being a software developer I can tell you that at any company I have
ever worked at, it would have taken quite a lot of effort to revive a
software version of 10 years before. Apart from that effort, it would also
mean running the servers (and while a lot of that is certainly automated,
there is sure to be some human work required as well) and some kind of
support infrastructure.

And 15k (or even 150k) players sounds like a lot, that would justify a
handful of servers and I doubt that the economies of scale would work for
that low a number.

So even considering people would be willing to pay a full subscription to
play on vanilla servers, I am not sure it would pay.


Even so, it might be a very good move PR wise to offer vanilla servers
themselves, but considering how Blizzard is run these days, I doubt they
would be willing to lose money to satisfy a small part of their player base.

So I my take on the situation is pretty much the same as Lewis': I don't see
them offering vanilla servers (though I am hedging my bets by being less
certain about it :-)

I suspect they just shut down the private servers for two reasons:
- those servers were violating their IP (even if it was an old version of
their IP)
- they might have feared that they were losing paying customers fed up with
current content to those private servers (and I think they probably were;
I just don't think those customers will come back as paying customers now
that the private servers are gone)

Cheers
Urbin

[Catriona R]

Post by Urbin

Post by Catriona R
On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 09:29:11 -0000 (UTC), Lewis

Post by Lewis

Post by Shinnokxz
And that's that with Nostalrius. Too bad.
Though it appears the vanilla server community and outcry has reached
levels it's never been before. Sooner or later Blizzard is going to
have to breach the subject and offer something up.

No they will not.

Post by Shinnokxz
The shutdown was typical Blizzard show, but really pissed on the
people looking for a reason to even bother with WoW anymore. I suspect
when Legion is released and subscribers have reached an all time low
post-xpac release, then Blizzard will consider giving it a whirl.

No. That is never going to happen.

That's a pretty confident assertion, I don't think anyone can say
"never" with Blizzard.

While that is true...

Post by Catriona R
Times change, and right now they're throwing away money by not offering a
service which would have interested a LOT of people

... but I am not convinced that operating vanilla servers would be
economically viable for them. I don't know the inner workings of Blizzard
but being a software developer I can tell you that at any company I have
ever worked at, it would have taken quite a lot of effort to revive a
software version of 10 years before. Apart from that effort, it would also
mean running the servers (and while a lot of that is certainly automated,
there is sure to be some human work required as well) and some kind of
support infrastructure.
And 15k (or even 150k) players sounds like a lot, that would justify a
handful of servers and I doubt that the economies of scale would work for
that low a number.
So even considering people would be willing to pay a full subscription to
play on vanilla servers, I am not sure it would pay.

It's open to debate, depending a lot on numbers, but the interest
level is very much there, so it's certainly something that they should
be at least considering I think. The total accounts was 800k+, I
wouldn't count on that many, but the 150k active, yes, I reckon when
it was made known to everyone (private servers really aren't that
wellknown unless you're seeking them out - or weren't, until the last
few days...), and given as a legitimate option that isn't under threat
of being shut down, I think it'd be more than 150k playing, especially
in content droughts like the present.

Post by Urbin
Even so, it might be a very good move PR wise to offer vanilla servers
themselves, but considering how Blizzard is run these days, I doubt they
would be willing to lose money to satisfy a small part of their player base.

Well, that depends on how small though - they seem happy to spend ages
developing raids that are only used by a small part of the playerbase,
after all! ;-) Admittedly LFR has opened it up a bit, but was it
Sunwell or Naxx that was only seen by 1% of the then population?
Something ridiculous like that... given we're most likely under 5
million population now, it'd only take >50k people interested to make
it more worthwhile than that raid was, if we're judging value by
percentages :-P

Post by Urbin
So I my take on the situation is pretty much the same as Lewis': I don't see
them offering vanilla servers (though I am hedging my bets by being less
certain about it :-)
- those servers were violating their IP (even if it was an old version of
their IP)

Understandable, yes, although somewhat harsh, given it's a no longer
accessible version. I'd consider it entirely fair if there was a way
of accessing that content, but there simply isn't any more, much of it
was outright removed with Cataclysm. Don't get me wrong; I totally
understand the legality side of things, though.

Post by Urbin
- they might have feared that they were losing paying customers fed up with
current content to those private servers (and I think they probably were;
I just don't think those customers will come back as paying customers now
that the private servers are gone)

As with other forms of piracy, I doubt the removal of the illegal
option will make people pay for the legal one if they don't consider
it worth the money; they'll just do without or find an alternative. Of
the people I know who played on Nostalrius, I (and several others) am
*still* subbed and have remained so throughout. Some others had
already quit retail after running out of stuff to do in Draenor and
were waiting for Legion; they'd have most likely been playing other
games entirely in the absence of Nostalrius. And some others quit
retail years back and hate what it now is, saying they will never play
it again.

It's only the 2nd of the three categories who *might* be lost subs to
Blizzard, and I suspect free to play MMOs would have won those people
instead, from what I know of them.

[Lewis]

Post by Catriona R
Well, that depends on how small though - they seem happy to spend ages
developing raids that are only used by a small part of the playerbase,
after all! ;-) Admittedly LFR has opened it up a bit, but was it
Sunwell or Naxx that was only seen by 1% of the then population?

It was the ORIGINAL Naxx which was added at the very end of vanilla and
was extremely difficult to unlock. Blizzard updated Naxx to appear in
Northrend so that more than <1% of players would see it.
--
He'd never asked for an exciting life. What he really liked, what he
sought on every occasion, was boredom. The trouble was that boredom
tended to explode in your face. Just when he thought he'd found it he'd
be suddenly involved in what he supposed other people - thoughtless,
feckless people - would call an adventure. And he'd be forced to visit
many strange lands and meet exotic and colourful people, although not
for very long because usually he'd be running. He'd seen the creation of
the universe, although not from a good seat, and had visited Hell and
the afterlife. He'd been captured, imprisoned, rescued, lost and
marooned. Sometimes it had all happened on the same day.

[Urbin]

Post by Catriona R

Post by Urbin

Post by Catriona R
Times change, and right now they're throwing away money by not offering a
service which would have interested a LOT of people

... but I am not convinced that operating vanilla servers would be
economically viable for them.
[snippage]
So even considering people would be willing to pay a full subscription to
play on vanilla servers, I am not sure it would pay.

It's open to debate

Certainly, but it will be a moot debate as long as it is only us debating
and Blizzard is not likely to debate this openly :-)

Post by Catriona R
depending a lot on numbers, but the interest level is very much there, so
it's certainly something that they should be at least considering I
think.

Here are some of the numbers it would depend on:
- how many players would be interested
- how many of those interested would be intetested to pay for it
- how would that impact current subscriptions, i.e. how many would
- leave the game for another game wihtout vanilla servers
- change the "normal" subscription for a "vanilla" sub
- pay for both a "normal" and a "vanilla" subscription

- how much effort would it be to re-create a running version of vanilla wow
- how much effort would be needed to patch that version to fit into their
current, changed environment (authentication, hardware, infrastructure)
- how much effort would it be to deploy it to servers
- how much effort would it be to keep such servers running (both technically
and support wise)
- how much manpower would it detract from other projects (that may or may
not offer better return on investment)
- how might vanilla servers increase or decrease the number of people
willing to come back for/prolong their subscription for the next expansion

We know very little about anything except some rough estimates for the first
point (you claim it was somewhere between 150k and 800k).

So the question remains whether it would be financially viable. And I very
much doubt that they will be willing to "give up" on their IP rights so some
independent entity could run the servers for them, unless that entity would
be willing to cough up some serious dough.

In addition to all that, we haven't even considered what their legal
department might have to say in the matter. Then add the fact that they have
a history of being fairly resistent to their player base's feedback.

Post by Catriona R

Post by Urbin
- they might have feared that they were losing paying customers fed up with
current content to those private servers (and I think they probably were;
I just don't think those customers will come back as paying customers now
that the private servers are gone)

As with other forms of piracy, I doubt the removal of the illegal
option will make people pay for the legal one if they don't consider
it worth the money

I totally agree with this. However, they might see it differently (many
software companies - at least officially - don't see things your or my way).
Also, while it is unlikely that somebody who cancelled their subs to go play
vanilla, it might also be about people sitting on the fence no longer being
tempted to try out vanilla and then decide to cancel the sub.

Anyway, as I said above, it's really a moot discussion, knowing Blizzard,
it's unlikely to happen and if it did happen after all it's unlikely we'd
get a lot of advance warning.

Cheers
Urbin, who doesn't miss WoW any more but has a sudden yearning for a couple
of hours of vanilla play ;-)

[Catriona R]

Post by Urbin

Post by Catriona R
depending a lot on numbers, but the interest level is very much there, so
it's certainly something that they should be at least considering I
think.

- how many players would be interested
- how many of those interested would be intetested to pay for it
- how would that impact current subscriptions, i.e. how many would
- leave the game for another game wihtout vanilla servers
- change the "normal" subscription for a "vanilla" sub
- pay for both a "normal" and a "vanilla" subscription
- how much effort would it be to re-create a running version of vanilla wow
- how much effort would be needed to patch that version to fit into their
current, changed environment (authentication, hardware, infrastructure)
- how much effort would it be to deploy it to servers
- how much effort would it be to keep such servers running (both technically
and support wise)
- how much manpower would it detract from other projects (that may or may
not offer better return on investment)
- how might vanilla servers increase or decrease the number of people
willing to come back for/prolong their subscription for the next expansion
We know very little about anything except some rough estimates for the first
point (you claim it was somewhere between 150k and 800k).

I don't claim that; Nostalrius do:
Loading Image... - 800k accounts
created, 150k of which were active (ie, logged in at least once) in
the last 2 weeks, according to them. I can't verify it, but can
certainly believe it; across the two servers there were definitely
over 15k people playing simultaneously at EU peak times, and, well,
there were two additonal peak times due to high populations in all
three major regions. Given not that many of those people will be
playing more than 4-5 hours a day, yet there never seemed to be really
"quiet" times, then yeah, it will be a far higher figure than 15k
active, and 150k is believeable.

Post by Urbin
So the question remains whether it would be financially viable. And I very
much doubt that they will be willing to "give up" on their IP rights so some
independent entity could run the servers for them, unless that entity would
be willing to cough up some serious dough.
In addition to all that, we haven't even considered what their legal
department might have to say in the matter. Then add the fact that they have
a history of being fairly resistent to their player base's feedback.

True indeed.

Post by Urbin

Post by Catriona R

Post by Urbin
- they might have feared that they were losing paying customers fed up with
current content to those private servers (and I think they probably were;
I just don't think those customers will come back as paying customers now
that the private servers are gone)

As with other forms of piracy, I doubt the removal of the illegal
option will make people pay for the legal one if they don't consider
it worth the money

I totally agree with this. However, they might see it differently (many
software companies - at least officially - don't see things your or my way).
Also, while it is unlikely that somebody who cancelled their subs to go play
vanilla, it might also be about people sitting on the fence no longer being
tempted to try out vanilla and then decide to cancel the sub.

I think many of those I knew had cancelled regardless of vanilla
existing and would be playing LOTRO, SWTOR or other MMOs in the
absence of vanilla; the discussion in my vanilla guild about where to
go next bears that out; the popular options are another MMO or another
private server, only those of us who already are subbed to retail are
interested in going there right now (Legion will probably convince a
few more to return, but in the big content drought now... nobody's
interested)

Post by Urbin
Anyway, as I said above, it's really a moot discussion, knowing Blizzard,
it's unlikely to happen and if it did happen after all it's unlikely we'd
get a lot of advance warning.

True enough, I only hope they do seriously consider it instead of just
hounding those who want to play their old game legally but haven't any
means of doing so!

Post by Urbin
Cheers
Urbin, who doesn't miss WoW any more but has a sudden yearning for a couple
of hours of vanilla play ;-)

Hehe :-) I'm glad I had a while to re-experience it, it really brought
back the memories, and did a great job of showing me the changes over
the years - some are good and some less so! I think it's evolved so
much that they're two separate games set in the same world now, rather
than something that acts like the same game at all, hence why I really
do feel it's time for legacy servers, but like you say, it's
Blizzard's decision, not ours.

I'm inclined to stop now, having experienced it once, but to stay with
the friends I made there will require another private server so I'm
unsure at present. A number of them seem keen on a new TBC server
which doesn't excite me, given that Outland and all its content are
still in the retail game, almost untouched; there's a much more strong
sense of nostalgia for vanilla, which cannot be experienced at all in
its original form!

[unknown]

Post by Urbin

Post by Catriona R
On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 09:29:11 -0000 (UTC), Lewis

Post by Lewis

Post by Shinnokxz
And that's that with Nostalrius. Too bad.
Though it appears the vanilla server community and outcry has reached
levels it's never been before. Sooner or later Blizzard is going to
have to breach the subject and offer something up.

No they will not.

Post by Shinnokxz
The shutdown was typical Blizzard show, but really pissed on the
people looking for a reason to even bother with WoW anymore. I suspect
when Legion is released and subscribers have reached an all time low
post-xpac release, then Blizzard will consider giving it a whirl.

No. That is never going to happen.

That's a pretty confident assertion, I don't think anyone can say
"never" with Blizzard.

While that is true...

Post by Catriona R
Times change, and right now they're throwing away money by not offering a
service which would have interested a LOT of people

... but I am not convinced that operating vanilla servers would be
economically viable for them. I don't know the inner workings of Blizzard
but being a software developer I can tell you that at any company I have
ever worked at, it would have taken quite a lot of effort to revive a
software version of 10 years before. Apart from that effort, it would also
mean running the servers (and while a lot of that is certainly automated,
there is sure to be some human work required as well) and some kind of
support infrastructure.
And 15k (or even 150k) players sounds like a lot, that would justify a
handful of servers and I doubt that the economies of scale would work for
that low a number.
So even considering people would be willing to pay a full subscription to
play on vanilla servers, I am not sure it would pay.

It doesn't have to cost them, people have demonstrated they are willing
to do it without their involvement. Really, they don't need any Blizzard
support at all :-).
All they need to do is establish some sort of mechanism so to play on
the 'Authorised but UNSUPPORTED BY BLIZZARD server'
caps part of name :-)
you need a Warcraft account that is active, or maybe has been active in
the last 3 months. Money for stuff all effort, a tiny bit of handshake.
Maybe there is some legal thing about pay and service that the
lawyers don't like but the EULA don't provide much besides 'we do what
we want' in any case.

I am not interested in Vanilla anyway and don't think it would pan
out. It would just attract the usual bedlam crowd instead of reminiscing
idealists trying to get back into heaven.

The main thing people seem to miss is the old community, not the
actual game. I have found the same in other games nothing to do with
wow, even run across some people from long dead games and just resumed
the joint endeavour, same struggle, different pixels :-)

Pretty simple to try , just a nod and 'let them eat cake, or hopefully
crow'.

If it works they make a bit from very little, if it doesn't they have no
stake and can feel smug and self righteous.

Seems they heard rumours there really was cake , and decided to kill it.

I hope Catriona didn't post with a vital account on forums, it shows
that account has been playing private, Blizz can be vindictive and they
don't need proof.

from a recent post
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20742809786

which now doesn't exist I see, Blizzards forum, they do what they want

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20742809786
[ I wonder if forums are copyright? takedown incoming]

Blizzcon 2013: Warlords of draenor, more Q&A from developers

transcript : old versions? "no, and by the way you don't want to do that
either, you think you do, but you don't" There is no cake.

"This was almost 3 years ago now and I still don't feel like their
arrogant stance on this game has changed since then. This is basically
how Blizzard 'listens' to their fans, isn't it? We don't really want
what we think we want, we're just !@#$ing stupid.

Blizzard thinks they want active subscriptions, but they really don't.
Apparently."

[Lewis]

Post by unknown

Post by Urbin

Post by Catriona R
On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 09:29:11 -0000 (UTC), Lewis

Post by Lewis

Post by Shinnokxz
And that's that with Nostalrius. Too bad.
Though it appears the vanilla server community and outcry has reached
levels it's never been before. Sooner or later Blizzard is going to
have to breach the subject and offer something up.

No they will not.

Post by Shinnokxz
The shutdown was typical Blizzard show, but really pissed on the
people looking for a reason to even bother with WoW anymore. I suspect
when Legion is released and subscribers have reached an all time low
post-xpac release, then Blizzard will consider giving it a whirl.

No. That is never going to happen.

That's a pretty confident assertion, I don't think anyone can say
"never" with Blizzard.

While that is true...

Post by Catriona R
Times change, and right now they're throwing away money by not offering a
service which would have interested a LOT of people

... but I am not convinced that operating vanilla servers would be
economically viable for them. I don't know the inner workings of Blizzard
but being a software developer I can tell you that at any company I have
ever worked at, it would have taken quite a lot of effort to revive a
software version of 10 years before. Apart from that effort, it would also
mean running the servers (and while a lot of that is certainly automated,
there is sure to be some human work required as well) and some kind of
support infrastructure.
And 15k (or even 150k) players sounds like a lot, that would justify a
handful of servers and I doubt that the economies of scale would work for
that low a number.
So even considering people would be willing to pay a full subscription to
play on vanilla servers, I am not sure it would pay.

It doesn't have to cost them, people have demonstrated they are willing
to do it without their involvement. Really, they don't need any Blizzard
support at all :-).

No. Allowing third parties to run servers would endanger every Blizzard
Trademark and could also jeopardize their copyrights.

Post by unknown
All they need to do is establish some sort of mechanism so to play on
the 'Authorised but UNSUPPORTED BY BLIZZARD server'
caps part of name :-)

It is not that simple, at all.

Post by unknown
you need a Warcraft account that is active, or maybe has been active in
the last 3 months. Money for stuff all effort, a tiny bit of handshake.

So this third party has to be able to authenticate against battle.net.

Oh, and you have to patch WoW 1.x to work with Battle.net, too.

[unknown]

Post by Lewis

Post by unknown
It doesn't have to cost them, people have demonstrated they are willing
to do it without their involvement. Really, they don't need any Blizzard
support at all :-).

No. Allowing third parties to run servers would endanger every Blizzard
Trademark and could also jeopardize their copyrights.

Post by unknown
All they need to do is establish some sort of mechanism so to play on
the 'Authorised but UNSUPPORTED BY BLIZZARD server'
caps part of name :-)

It is not that simple, at all.

Post by unknown
you need a Warcraft account that is active, or maybe has been active in
the last 3 months. Money for stuff all effort, a tiny bit of handshake.

So this third party has to be able to authenticate against battle.net.
Oh, and you have to patch WoW 1.x to work with Battle.net, too.

Not that it will happen but anything with a dispatcher is usually pretty
easy to add protocols.

Only the will to do it is hard, and blizz wills it NOT.

e.g.

You log onto battlenet, you pay battlenet, blizz knows you are paid up
for wow and once a month or three you ask battlenet to push a
verification to the non blizz server with your account name(s).
Doesn't even have to be instant.

Infrequent one way token, no offsite battlenet info needed.
Blizz is the gatekeeper on who can play, knows who is playing and who is
no longer entitled to.


It can be extended to as much or little control as blizzard wants, but
the only control they want is total shutdown. So it won't happen no
matter how many alternatives are presented.

[unknown]

Post by Lewis
Oh, and you have to patch WoW 1.x to work with Battle.net, too.

forgot to mention this is the sort of gold blizzard smaugheads are
losing while they worry about coppers in wow subs

https://na.wargaming.net/shop/wot/specials/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smaug :-)

I think they are really putting wow on ice, maximum income for minimum
effort as long as it lasts and promoting the lower overhead alternatives.

[Catriona R]

On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 14:33:07 +0930, | || ||| ||||| || |

Post by unknown
I hope Catriona didn't post with a vital account on forums, it shows
that account has been playing private, Blizz can be vindictive and they
don't need proof.

You really think they'd ban an 11-year subbed account, over a polite
post in support of the concept of Blizzard-endorsed vanilla servers,
which never directly said I'd played on Nostalrius (it could be
inferred, but it was NOT a direct admission)? Considering even
confirmed botters caught more than once don't get permabans, that
seems incredibly unlikely.

Now, some of the people throwing screaming tantrums over it will
probably get *forum* bans, and rightly so... I highly doubt anyone
would get game bans though, imagine the negative publicity that would
bring, banning people for (possibly) enjoying a different version of
the game, while actual cheaters get away with it!

[Lewis]

Post by Catriona R
On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 09:29:11 -0000 (UTC), Lewis

Post by Lewis

Post by Shinnokxz
And that's that with Nostalrius. Too bad.
Though it appears the vanilla server community and outcry has reached
levels it's never been before. Sooner or later Blizzard is going to
have to breach the subject and offer something up.

No they will not.

Post by Shinnokxz
The shutdown was typical Blizzard show, but really pissed on the
people looking for a reason to even bother with WoW anymore. I suspect
when Legion is released and subscribers have reached an all time low
post-xpac release, then Blizzard will consider giving it a whirl.

No. That is never going to happen.

That's a pretty confident assertion,

Yes.

Post by Catriona R
I don't think anyone can say "never" with Blizzard. Times change, and
right now they're throwing away money by not offering a service which
would have interested a LOT of people during the content drought,

I think you vastly over-estimate the number of people who are interested
in WoW 1.0, and vastly overestimate the number who would be interested
after an hour of playing it.

Post by Catriona R
not a huge cost to them;

Much higher cost that I suspect you are allowing for. Just the support
costs would be massively burdensome.

Post by Catriona R
repurpose a few of the empty retail servers (couple more mergers would
do the trick), set up the old scripts and move a skeleton crew across
to maintain it (mainly an anti botting/hacking team), and... job done.

You are forgetting how unstable and buggy 1.0 was. Go look at your
account history and see how many free days you got during 1.x wow
compared to how many you got from 2.x on.

[Shinnokxz]

Post by Lewis

Post by Shinnokxz
And that's that with Nostalrius. Too bad.
Though it appears the vanilla server community and outcry has reached
levels it's never been before. Sooner or later Blizzard is going to
have to breach the subject and offer something up.

No they will not.

Post by Shinnokxz
The shutdown was typical Blizzard show, but really pissed on the
people looking for a reason to even bother with WoW anymore. I suspect
when Legion is released and subscribers have reached an all time low
post-xpac release, then Blizzard will consider giving it a whirl.

No. That is never going to happen.

If you mean sub numbers will plummet once xpac novelty wears out, you're dead wrong. There's nothing but historical proof that WoW's day's are waning no matter how many expansions are released. If not sooner than later, I can see Blizzard attempting classic servers if retail subscriptions reach critical mass and many many realms are all but desolated; and that's IF they choose to ignore their veteran players.

I'll be happy to come back after any amount time it will take for it to happen to feed some crow. I think I'll know where to find you: idling in your Barracks.

The EQ and Runescape games have offered classic servers and it very much revitalized and brought interest back to game/brands as a whole. So without doing much other than asserting a comment without any evidence or basis, let the vocal outcry, whether it be a minority or a majority, resonate in Activision's court.

[Catriona R]

On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 23:08:21 -0700 (PDT), Shinnokxz

Post by Shinnokxz
And that's that with Nostalrius. Too bad.

Yep. I knew it was a risk with playing on a private server, still a
bit disappointing, but oh well, itwas fun while it lasted - at least
while it existed I found a nice bunch of people who want to stick
together, just a shame we have no obvious destination right now! I got
to 60 on the reoll f my original main, and actually got several great
items that I'd never got on him in actual vanilla, plus an alt was 45
and climbing, it was a lot of fun :-)

Post by Shinnokxz
Though it appears the vanilla server community and outcry has reached levels it's never been before. Sooner or later Blizzard is going to have to breach the subject and offer something up. I saw a good sum of people cancel their retail subscription out of principle after the shutdown.

Seen a lot of people throwing tantrums over the subject and giving the
rest of us a bad name, sadly - many of the reactions don't really give
a positive impression of our cause! It's a subject which very much
needs to be talked about; Nostalrius IMO disproved the whole "you
think you want it but you don't" attitude of Blizzard, 15k+ online at
peak times, cosnsistently growing population, plenty people clearly DO
want it and enjoy it even now!

I very much feel sorry for Blizzard's GMs though; they've had to deal
with a lot of rage in tickets and cancellations over something that's
not their decision at all - I did vent my own feelings, but in one
calm forum post, where I just said that I believe it's proven there is
a case for it, and that I do feel it's not that fair to shut down
servers allowing people to play a version of the game which is not
available via any legitimate means; it'd be entirely fair if Blizzard
themselves had legacy servers, but they don't, so to me, that puts
vanilla WoW morally on a level with abandonware.

Post by Shinnokxz
The Nostalrius folk will release their work, supposedly, to an abled party. Most likely a party where Blizzard lawyers won't have the reach to get to.

I think a whole lot of other servers are going to spring up, but I'm
wary of them right now - there was a thriving hacking/goldselling
industry on Nost towards the end, and I bet at least one new server
will be set up to harvest account info from people who don't change
details between servers (a load of Nost accounts were previously
hacked via that method from some other server that had been hacked).
I'm personally only planning to look at servers which already existed
before all this happened rather than any brand new ones, till we see
if any pass the test of time. Tbh I'd be done with private servers for
now, but as many of my guild hate retail, and they were a great bunch
of people, the only way we'll stay together is another private server,
oh well - I'm happy to have actually found a community I want to stick
with, just wish it could be done legally!

Post by Shinnokxz
The shutdown was typical Blizzard show, but really pissed on the people looking for a reason to even bother with WoW anymore. I suspect when Legion is released and subscribers have reached an all time low post-xpac release, then Blizzard will consider giving it a whirl. Only then will I even bother giving them money since it impossible for them to muck up a Vanilla server

I very much hope they do go for it; this level of outcry sill surely
have got a message across to them. In some ways I'm hoping the
shutdown was itself a positive sign - clearly they felt Nost was a
threat in order to do that, and after all, if they were planning
legacy servers themselves, eliminating the competition would probably
be the first logical move. Granted, severely annoying the potential
playerbase is not a very good move; I'd have felt it a more positive
PR to leave the shutdowns until after an announcement is made, but
still, it's at least possible that that is an underlying reason.

Certainly they can no longer hide behind the "players don't really
want it" mantra, when quite clearly many of us do. Oh sure, I've seen
the suggestions that it's only popular because it's free but I dunno -
I'd have paid for it, and I think most of my guildies would too. Give
me the option of a Blizzard-run vanilla server (no bugs, everything
scripted right - oh yes please) for say half the usual sub price, and
I'd be there - even at full price I'd consider dropping one of my
retail accounts to afford it.

Now admittedly, without my guild, I'd have run out of steam after 2-3
months, it's much more a game that requires a social side than retail
(I've coped well enough in retail despite almost all my old friends
being gone since Cataclysm days, and it's near impossible to make new
friends when you're not that outgoing a person), but since I did make
a good bunch of friends there, I was still very much enjoying it after
6 months, and still had things I wanted to do ingame, recipes to
collect, rep to get, alts to level...

Oh well, hopefully my guild will pick a place soon, there's a few
options being discussed, one interests me more than the others, but
it's got to be a majority thing. Really sucks that most private server
people hate PVE servers and so there are almost none available, I get
very bored of hearing that PVE is a PVP server with content "removed";
eh, no, world pvp is still entirely there if you just type four
characters: "/pvp" - on the contrary PVP servers are PVE servers with
content removed for me, since I can't just turn PVP off to actually
get some questing done in peace :-P

[SF]

"Catriona R" schreef in bericht news:***@mid.individual.net...


*a tumbleweed drifts by*


Anyone out there? :-P If so what are you guys up so, anyone doing
anything in WoW? If not, what else are you playing? :-)

---------------
I was bored with wow and played runescape for a month
now I miss wow again
SF

[Shinnokxz]

Post by Catriona R
Outside WoW, I'm still playing, erm, WoW, in vanilla form - now lvl
60, got ...

Is that Nastrailius (or however that goes)? The idea intrigued me to try out a Shammy until about Lv. 20 but the server lag and disruptions were annoying, and the community uninviting. Soloing isn't the grandest (never was in Vanilla, no matter how hard you bite that nostalgic bullet) I'd be willing to try it out again if they at least fixed the connection problems, but alas I never could find enough time to dedicate to leveling in any meaningful stature. It's always fun to reminisce of ye old times, but the pace is dreadful if you don't have the time that you once had when you were 18 years old :P

[Catriona R]

On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 23:42:04 -0700 (PDT), Shinnokxz

Post by Shinnokxz

Post by Catriona R
Outside WoW, I'm still playing, erm, WoW, in vanilla form - now lvl
60, got ...

Is that Nastrailius (or however that goes)? The idea intrigued me to try out a Shammy until about Lv. 20 but the server lag and disruptions were annoying, and the community uninviting. Soloing isn't the grandest (never was in Vanilla, no matter how hard you bite that nostalgic bullet) I'd be willing to try it out again if they at least fixed the connection problems, but alas I never could find enough time to dedicate to leveling in any meaningful stature. It's always fun to reminisce of ye old times, but the pace is dreadful if you don't have the time that you once had when you were 18 years old :P

Yep, Nostalrius PVE server, which seems distinctly more friendly than
the PVP one - also less laggy and only a couple of times of
instability that I've noticed. There's a few bugs and glitches, but
I'd say it's about 95% how I remember, which is pretty good for a
private server!

The pace certainly is slow, but I'm enjoying it compared with the
modern day pace of outlevelling everything before you can finish it -
I always did love the journey of levelling more than the destination
of max lvl though :-)

[Peter T.]

Post by Catriona R
*a tumbleweed drifts by*
Anyone out there? :-P If so what are you guys up so, anyone doing
anything in WoW? If not, what else are you playing? :-)
I'm kinda playing WoW, logged on daily for the Valentine's boss,
having powerlevelled an alt to 100 beforehand so I had 4 shots each
day, naturally the mount did not drop :-) Doing worldbosses once a
week, Ashran whenever running out of bones reminds me I've not been
for a while (I've actually unlocked the weapons for 7k+ conquest,
which is quite good for me; I usually don't pvp much at all!), and I'm
doing a little HFC LFR now, as my bf catching up to me in the
legendary chain has prompted me to stop slacking and at least make a
start on collecting the tomes! I'm easily confused if I try too much
new stuff at once so doing one wing at a time, first two wings aren't
much trouble, phew, will see how the 3rd one goes in the next few days
:-)
Outside WoW, I'm still playing, erm, WoW, in vanilla form - now lvl
60, got more nice dungeon blues than my main at the time ever had, and
an alt hit 40 tonight too. So far, I'm loving it, seems the vanilla
nostalgia wasn't all rose-tinted glasses for me, I really do enjoy the
slower pace and emphasis on levelling and the journey rather than just
endgame over all. However it is very group-dependent; I've been lucky
enough to fall into a really nice guild where I actually feel
comfortable (as a very *not* social person, that was a surprise!),
which is probably why I'm still there; soloing as I do on retail
nowadays, I think I'd have been long gone once I ran out of soloable
things to do. Hoping some of the vanilla friends I've made play Legion
when that comes out so at least occasional grouping via battletag
might be an option!

I stopped my sub back in january, reinstalled windows on all comps and
forgot all about this group. a.g.warcraft just came back to me a few
mins ago when I was reading about sandbox games!

I doubt I'll return to WoW again this time. I have said this before,
but despite my main is placed in a very good danish raiding guild I dont
feel the need for playing the game again. All the repetitive actions
(dailies, the same raid bosses over and over again, farming mounts,
gold, pets, achs) in the game doesnt appeal to me anymore despite I
actually like the repetitive actions in the game. :)

Since I quitted WoW I've put my focus on Elite Dangerous and Fallout 4.
I've also played tested myself in football manager 2010 and 2016 which I
seriuosly suck at! Other games; Starcraft II, Deus Ex Human Revelation,
Cities Skyline, Colin Mcrae rally, F1 2012 and Railroads!.

I have 2 jobs atm so I dont have the time or energy for going all-in in
any game at all. I stick to my trade loops in elite and I very soon
have enough credits for the anaconda spaceship with the right equipment. :)

Is there any new content in WoW?

[Catriona R]

Post by Peter T.
I stopped my sub back in january, reinstalled windows on all comps and
forgot all about this group. a.g.warcraft just came back to me a few
mins ago when I was reading about sandbox games!

Good to hear from you again! :-) Even if many are no longer playing,
it's still always nice to see the familiar names posting here from
time to time.

Post by Peter T.
I doubt I'll return to WoW again this time. I have said this before,
but despite my main is placed in a very good danish raiding guild I dont
feel the need for playing the game again. All the repetitive actions
(dailies, the same raid bosses over and over again, farming mounts,
gold, pets, achs) in the game doesnt appeal to me anymore despite I
actually like the repetitive actions in the game. :)

Hehe I can see that, I've effectively been on a long holiday myself
with 6 months on Nostalrius until it closed, seems it did me some good
as I started doing stuff in normal WoW again recently, some of the
farming things I hadn't got around to because the lack of anything
non-farming to do reduced my enthusiasm to do anything! Got my
Bone-White primal raptor from dinosaur bones in Pandaria last night,
and over the weekend I got my Savage Cub pet from saberon claws - not
sure if I can face the grind for 5k claws for the rather boring mount
they also offer, but if I don't do it soon I'll have crossrealm
troubles like on Isle of Giants - WAY too many people farming dinos, I
had to go back at 2am to find any alive ones...

Post by Peter T.
Since I quitted WoW I've put my focus on Elite Dangerous and Fallout 4.
I've also played tested myself in football manager 2010 and 2016 which I
seriuosly suck at! Other games; Starcraft II, Deus Ex Human Revelation,
Cities Skyline, Colin Mcrae rally, F1 2012 and Railroads!.

Sounds like a lot of games :-) I still dabble in Diablo 3, usually
when a new season comes out, that's been about all recently though.

Post by Peter T.
I have 2 jobs atm so I dont have the time or energy for going all-in in
any game at all. I stick to my trade loops in elite and I very soon
have enough credits for the anaconda spaceship with the right equipment. :)
Is there any new content in WoW?

Not on live WoW, no, but Legion alpha is progressing and I'm lucky
enough to be in there. I haven't explored very much as yet, preferring
to take my time over it, but what I have seen is good; the usual
excellent levelling zones we expect of Blizzard, with the bonus of
class/spec-specific chains meaning your alts will usually get to see
something your main didn't.

The big question is will endgame hold the interest this time; all I've
read about it seems much more favourable than WoD (big focus on
outdoors world content, and more than just "fill the bar" this time),
but it's probably still a case of waiting and seeing how it plays when
it goes live. At the very least, I don't think I'll be thinking only
three weeks in "what do I do now?" like I was with WoD...

[Lewis]

Post by Catriona R

Post by Peter T.
I stopped my sub back in january, reinstalled windows on all comps and
forgot all about this group. a.g.warcraft just came back to me a few
mins ago when I was reading about sandbox games!

Good to hear from you again! :-) Even if many are no longer playing,
it's still always nice to see the familiar names posting here from
time to time.

My ub expires again in a couple of weeks and I will not be renewing any
time soon. Tokens have gotten quite expensive, and I'm going to wait and
play Legion for a month or two and then I will likely be done with WoW
for good.

At this point, the only way that I would consider playing it into the
future is if I were able to isolate it completely from the rest of my
system (that is, in a sandbox were none of Blizzard's shit could touch
the rest of my system).

Recently, Blizzard has been leaving background processes running when
neither Battle.net nor any blizzard game is running, they keep
installing "new" versions of the launcher all the time forcing me to
punch holes through the firewalls over and over for the "new" apps, and
they are "chatting" way too much with their home base.

Not to mention that often teh "new" launcher apps are binary clones of
the "old" app (that is, bbyt-forbyte identical just in new folders with
new names).

I am not normally paranoid, but I don't trust Blizzard/Activision and
they are the reason that I run Little Snitch on my Mac.

[Shinnokxz]

Post by Lewis

Post by Catriona R

Post by Peter T.
I stopped my sub back in january, reinstalled windows on all comps and
forgot all about this group. a.g.warcraft just came back to me a few
mins ago when I was reading about sandbox games!

Good to hear from you again! :-) Even if many are no longer playing,
it's still always nice to see the familiar names posting here from
time to time.

My ub expires again in a couple of weeks and I will not be renewing any
time soon. Tokens have gotten quite expensive, and I'm going to wait and
play Legion for a month or two and then I will likely be done with WoW
for good.
At this point, the only way that I would consider playing it into the
future is if I were able to isolate it completely from the rest of my
system (that is, in a sandbox were none of Blizzard's shit could touch
the rest of my system).
Recently, Blizzard has been leaving background processes running when
neither Battle.net nor any blizzard game is running, they keep
installing "new" versions of the launcher all the time forcing me to
punch holes through the firewalls over and over for the "new" apps, and
they are "chatting" way too much with their home base.
Not to mention that often teh "new" launcher apps are binary clones of
the "old" app (that is, bbyt-forbyte identical just in new folders with
new names).
I am not normally paranoid, but I don't trust Blizzard/Activision and
they are the reason that I run Little Snitch on my Mac.
--
Two of the most famous products of Berkeley are LSD and Unix.
I don't think that is a coincidence

Blizzard needs to appear to its playerbase that it is doing things that are worth paying attention to, thus the launcher spam.

[Ashen Shugar]

I think it was Catriona R <***@totalise.co.uk> that wrote
something like...

Post by Catriona R
*a tumbleweed drifts by*
Anyone out there? :-P If so what are you guys up so, anyone doing
anything in WoW? If not, what else are you playing? :-)

I was passing time in the city, waiting for an event to start, and saw
Warlords of Draenor on sale for $9 so ended up buying it.
Then ended up forgetting my laptop on a train that evening so since
I've been actually starting my PC up, I've started playing it.

Boosted my Rogue that was my first WoW character but never got much
love that was only 66 to 90 and have made it up to 92 so far and am
actually quite enjoying playing her now.

My priest which was my 2nd WoW character and got most of the attention
had already made it to 90 during MoP (though only just, still never
made it to end game MoP stuff) and has made it to 91.

I've still got a bunch at 85 to do something with if I can find the
time. And a panda that had gotten up to something like level 40.
Can't even remember really, but had run Uldaman.

I've at the moment got 1 month to make enough gold to cover about half
a token to pay for the following month as I still had around 20k gold
after buying the latest token. If not, I may go back to playing D3.
:)

Ashen Shugar

[Catriona R]

Post by Ashen Shugar
I was passing time in the city, waiting for an event to start, and saw
Warlords of Draenor on sale for $9 so ended up buying it.
Then ended up forgetting my laptop on a train that evening so since
I've been actually starting my PC up, I've started playing it.

Ouch about the laptop, that's gotta suck, but glad it's brought you
back to us in a way!

Post by Ashen Shugar
Boosted my Rogue that was my first WoW character but never got much
love that was only 66 to 90 and have made it up to 92 so far and am
actually quite enjoying playing her now.

Hehe cool, my rogue is kinda fun to play but tbh I didn't do a lot
with him after I levelled to 100, the levelling areas are definitely
the strong point in WoD though, so you should have fun with those :-)

Post by Ashen Shugar
My priest which was my 2nd WoW character and got most of the attention
had already made it to 90 during MoP (though only just, still never
made it to end game MoP stuff) and has made it to 91.
I've still got a bunch at 85 to do something with if I can find the
time. And a panda that had gotten up to something like level 40.
Can't even remember really, but had run Uldaman.

Hehe plenty characters to play around with if the mood strikes, then!

Post by Ashen Shugar
I've at the moment got 1 month to make enough gold to cover about half
a token to pay for the following month as I still had around 20k gold
after buying the latest token. If not, I may go back to playing D3.
:)

Hehe since I think you're on US servers, you have some chance of
achieving that (think it's about 45k for you); you'd have none on EU
servers, it's 87k here now :-/ Funnily enough I still pay real money,
that's just ridiculous unless I turn it into a massive grind!

A few tips for gold WoD-style: when you reach max lvl put an inn in
your garrison: at lvl 2 you can use it to recruit followers with
specific traits: get "treasure hunter" which doubles gold earned from
missions. A 3 follower missions when all followers have that trait
turns a 100g mission into a 400g one :-) Also when you get the inn to
lvl 3 (requires completing an achievement to do 10 of the dungeon
quests you get from visitors to the inn) you get more gold missions.

Also transmog gear is going to be good business for a while as 7.0
brings an accountwide appearances wardrobe (same as the D3 transmog
system), and so anything that looks nice which you run across might
sell for more than you'd expect :-) Any original class shirts from
really old characters are probably worth a small fortune now as
they're no longer available as shirts (shirts can be transmogged as of
7.0) so if you have one of those sitting around on a littleused alt
and don't mind losing it, that's possibly your next month's sub paid
for in one go!

[Ashen Shugar]

I think it was Catriona R <***@totalise.co.uk> that wrote
something like...

Post by Catriona R

Post by Ashen Shugar
I was passing time in the city, waiting for an event to start, and saw
Warlords of Draenor on sale for $9 so ended up buying it.
Then ended up forgetting my laptop on a train that evening so since
I've been actually starting my PC up, I've started playing it.

Ouch about the laptop, that's gotta suck, but glad it's brought you
back to us in a way!

I've kept up with this newsgroup even if I wasn't playing, kinda. The
conversations started going over my head though, so a number of
threads just got marked read and not actually read. ; )

Post by Catriona R

Post by Ashen Shugar
Boosted my Rogue that was my first WoW character but never got much
love that was only 66 to 90 and have made it up to 92 so far and am
actually quite enjoying playing her now.

Hehe cool, my rogue is kinda fun to play but tbh I didn't do a lot
with him after I levelled to 100, the levelling areas are definitely
the strong point in WoD though, so you should have fun with those :-)

I'm enjoying the combat on the rogue at the moment. The inscription
thingy that lets me teleport behind the mob when using Cheap Shot has
a lot to do with that I think. And there's a talent that gives full
combo points, with a cooldown of one minute/or the target dies that
helps to keep things interesting. :)

Post by Catriona R

Post by Ashen Shugar
My priest which was my 2nd WoW character and got most of the attention
had already made it to 90 during MoP (though only just, still never
made it to end game MoP stuff) and has made it to 91.
I've still got a bunch at 85 to do something with if I can find the
time. And a panda that had gotten up to something like level 40.
Can't even remember really, but had run Uldaman.

Hehe plenty characters to play around with if the mood strikes, then!

One of everything. : )

I think it was mainly the rogue and warlock that I never tended to get
to max level before MoP.

Post by Catriona R

Post by Ashen Shugar
I've at the moment got 1 month to make enough gold to cover about half
a token to pay for the following month as I still had around 20k gold
after buying the latest token. If not, I may go back to playing D3.
:)

Hehe since I think you're on US servers, you have some chance of
achieving that (think it's about 45k for you); you'd have none on EU
servers, it's 87k here now :-/ Funnily enough I still pay real money,
that's just ridiculous unless I turn it into a massive grind!

I'm not really opposed to actually paying for the subscription if I'm
actually playing. It was mainly keeping up a subscription when I was
only playing maybe 2 times a week that didn't seem worth it.

Post by Catriona R
A few tips for gold WoD-style: when you reach max lvl put an inn in
your garrison: at lvl 2 you can use it to recruit followers with
specific traits: get "treasure hunter" which doubles gold earned from
missions. A 3 follower missions when all followers have that trait
turns a 100g mission into a 400g one :-) Also when you get the inn to
lvl 3 (requires completing an achievement to do 10 of the dungeon
quests you get from visitors to the inn) you get more gold missions.
Also transmog gear is going to be good business for a while as 7.0
brings an accountwide appearances wardrobe (same as the D3 transmog
system), and so anything that looks nice which you run across might
sell for more than you'd expect :-) Any original class shirts from
really old characters are probably worth a small fortune now as
they're no longer available as shirts (shirts can be transmogged as of
7.0) so if you have one of those sitting around on a littleused alt
and don't mind losing it, that's possibly your next month's sub paid
for in one go!

I do have quite a pile of old stuff still laying around, though I'm
not sure I had all that many/any shirts. Not sure any of it looks all
that good though. I do have the tier 0.5 (I think that's what it was,
or was it 1.5 for the upgraded classic dungeon set?) set for my pally,
and the first dungeon set from TBC for my priest.

Ashen Shugar

[Catriona R]

Post by Ashen Shugar
something like...

Post by Catriona R

Post by Ashen Shugar
I was passing time in the city, waiting for an event to start, and saw
Warlords of Draenor on sale for $9 so ended up buying it.
Then ended up forgetting my laptop on a train that evening so since
I've been actually starting my PC up, I've started playing it.

Ouch about the laptop, that's gotta suck, but glad it's brought you
back to us in a way!

I've kept up with this newsgroup even if I wasn't playing, kinda. The
conversations started going over my head though, so a number of
threads just got marked read and not actually read. ; )

I bet, some stuff makes sense in any era, other things... garriwhat?
;-)

Post by Ashen Shugar

Post by Catriona R

Post by Ashen Shugar
Boosted my Rogue that was my first WoW character but never got much
love that was only 66 to 90 and have made it up to 92 so far and am
actually quite enjoying playing her now.

Hehe cool, my rogue is kinda fun to play but tbh I didn't do a lot
with him after I levelled to 100, the levelling areas are definitely
the strong point in WoD though, so you should have fun with those :-)

I'm enjoying the combat on the rogue at the moment. The inscription
thingy that lets me teleport behind the mob when using Cheap Shot has
a lot to do with that I think. And there's a talent that gives full
combo points, with a cooldown of one minute/or the target dies that
helps to keep things interesting. :)

I don't believe I have that glyph, off to look it up because it sounds
great! Got a feeling I've neglected my rogue a bit other than just
levelling him, he used to be alliance so hasn't got the full set of
glyphs I made for most my horde alts yet, forgot to do them when I
transferred him.

Post by Ashen Shugar
I think it was mainly the rogue and warlock that I never tended to get
to max level before MoP.

Warrior, mage, hunter (and now monk) are my least levelled, not sure
why as I even like hunters, just never stick with them long enough to
reach high lvls. I am determined to change that when 7.0 comes though:
gnome hunters are just too cute, I have to actually level her so I can
go and tame devilsaurs and clefthooves and anything else I can think
of that looks ridiculously large ;-)

There is one small problem with that though; if your pet thinks you
looks like a bite-sized snack it can get a bit scary...
Loading Image... (couldn't resist a little playing
around on the alpha a while back!)

Post by Ashen Shugar

Post by Catriona R

Post by Ashen Shugar
I've at the moment got 1 month to make enough gold to cover about half
a token to pay for the following month as I still had around 20k gold
after buying the latest token. If not, I may go back to playing D3.
:)

Hehe since I think you're on US servers, you have some chance of
achieving that (think it's about 45k for you); you'd have none on EU
servers, it's 87k here now :-/ Funnily enough I still pay real money,
that's just ridiculous unless I turn it into a massive grind!

I'm not really opposed to actually paying for the subscription if I'm
actually playing. It was mainly keeping up a subscription when I was
only playing maybe 2 times a week that didn't seem worth it.

Don't blame you, I've sometimes considered pruning one of mine, but I
do play both accounts at least once a week, usually 2-3 times+ and
would miss the access, so it seems kinda worth it - especially as they
increased UK prices a while back but existing subscribers keep the old
one for 2 years... so long as we *stay* subscribed, so if I only let
it lapse for a few weeks and then came back I'd lose money by having
to pay the higher rate!

Post by Ashen Shugar

Post by Catriona R
A few tips for gold WoD-style: when you reach max lvl put an inn in
your garrison: at lvl 2 you can use it to recruit followers with
specific traits: get "treasure hunter" which doubles gold earned from
missions. A 3 follower missions when all followers have that trait
turns a 100g mission into a 400g one :-) Also when you get the inn to
lvl 3 (requires completing an achievement to do 10 of the dungeon
quests you get from visitors to the inn) you get more gold missions.
Also transmog gear is going to be good business for a while as 7.0
brings an accountwide appearances wardrobe (same as the D3 transmog
system), and so anything that looks nice which you run across might
sell for more than you'd expect :-) Any original class shirts from
really old characters are probably worth a small fortune now as
they're no longer available as shirts (shirts can be transmogged as of
7.0) so if you have one of those sitting around on a littleused alt
and don't mind losing it, that's possibly your next month's sub paid
for in one go!

I do have quite a pile of old stuff still laying around, though I'm
not sure I had all that many/any shirts.

I just went through a big pile of alts and found none on any of my
older characters, seems I always vendored the starting shirts - but
then I found one on one of my youngest pre-cataclysm characters, go
figure! Also discovered a Tabard of the Scarlet Crusade lurking in a
bank, which made me happy, obviously soulbound but I'm glad to have it
for my own collection!

Post by Ashen Shugar
Not sure any of it looks all
that good though. I do have the tier 0.5 (I think that's what it was,
or was it 1.5 for the upgraded classic dungeon set?) set for my pally,
and the first dungeon set from TBC for my priest.

If you have original tier 0.5 then congrats! I don't, got a few
characters with the original tier 0 BoE pieces, but have to get
replicas from the Darkmoon Faire for all the BoP pieces of both. Which
is a thought: maybe I should start farming tokens next time the faire
comes around, since I think I only have the looks of two class sets at
present: rogue and hunter tier 0.5. A good number of the tier 0 have
the same appearances from heirlooms though so at least I don't need to
collect those.

I already know that this wardrobe will completely set off my
collecting instincts; I'm not doing any old content till 7.0 because I
will hate to vendor stuff but I simply don't have bank space for more
BoPs; any BoEs I gather meanwhile are going in the guildbank (thank
goodness for a private guild lol).

[Ashen Shugar]

I think it was Catriona R <***@totalise.co.uk> that wrote
something like...

Post by Catriona R

Post by Ashen Shugar
something like...
I think it was mainly the rogue and warlock that I never tended to get
to max level before MoP.

Warrior, mage, hunter (and now monk) are my least levelled, not sure
why as I even like hunters, just never stick with them long enough to
gnome hunters are just too cute, I have to actually level her so I can
go and tame devilsaurs and clefthooves and anything else I can think
of that looks ridiculously large ;-)
There is one small problem with that though; if your pet thinks you
looks like a bite-sized snack it can get a bit scary...
http://i.imgur.com/wrSN3YU.jpg (couldn't resist a little playing
around on the alpha a while back!)

My hunter is a dwarf, so also a bit on the short side. ; )

I mostly played as tanks or healers though, so the dps only classes
tended to get left behind.

Post by Catriona R

Post by Ashen Shugar

Post by Catriona R

Post by Ashen Shugar
I've at the moment got 1 month to make enough gold to cover about half
a token to pay for the following month as I still had around 20k gold
after buying the latest token. If not, I may go back to playing D3.
:)

Hehe since I think you're on US servers, you have some chance of
achieving that (think it's about 45k for you); you'd have none on EU
servers, it's 87k here now :-/ Funnily enough I still pay real money,
that's just ridiculous unless I turn it into a massive grind!

I'm not really opposed to actually paying for the subscription if I'm
actually playing. It was mainly keeping up a subscription when I was
only playing maybe 2 times a week that didn't seem worth it.

Don't blame you, I've sometimes considered pruning one of mine, but I
do play both accounts at least once a week, usually 2-3 times+ and
would miss the access, so it seems kinda worth it - especially as they
increased UK prices a while back but existing subscribers keep the old
one for 2 years... so long as we *stay* subscribed, so if I only let
it lapse for a few weeks and then came back I'd lose money by having
to pay the higher rate!

Yeah, the cheaper rate seems worth keeping as long as you're still
actually using the accounts.

Post by Catriona R

Post by Ashen Shugar

Post by Catriona R
A few tips for gold WoD-style: when you reach max lvl put an inn in
your garrison: at lvl 2 you can use it to recruit followers with
specific traits: get "treasure hunter" which doubles gold earned from
missions. A 3 follower missions when all followers have that trait
turns a 100g mission into a 400g one :-) Also when you get the inn to
lvl 3 (requires completing an achievement to do 10 of the dungeon
quests you get from visitors to the inn) you get more gold missions.
Also transmog gear is going to be good business for a while as 7.0
brings an accountwide appearances wardrobe (same as the D3 transmog
system), and so anything that looks nice which you run across might
sell for more than you'd expect :-) Any original class shirts from
really old characters are probably worth a small fortune now as
they're no longer available as shirts (shirts can be transmogged as of
7.0) so if you have one of those sitting around on a littleused alt
and don't mind losing it, that's possibly your next month's sub paid
for in one go!

I do have quite a pile of old stuff still laying around, though I'm
not sure I had all that many/any shirts.

I just went through a big pile of alts and found none on any of my
older characters, seems I always vendored the starting shirts - but
then I found one on one of my youngest pre-cataclysm characters, go
figure! Also discovered a Tabard of the Scarlet Crusade lurking in a
bank, which made me happy, obviously soulbound but I'm glad to have it
for my own collection!

I saw an item to start a quest from the Argent Dawn or something. The
old eastern plaguelands anyway, where you could get quests based on a
profession to craft a heap of a certain something to turn in for
tokens or the like. Not sure I ever actually completed any of those
quests, as I didn't start WoW until it was a year old, so didn't
really make it to 60 all that much before TBC arrived.

Post by Catriona R

Post by Ashen Shugar
Not sure any of it looks all
that good though. I do have the tier 0.5 (I think that's what it was,
or was it 1.5 for the upgraded classic dungeon set?) set for my pally,
and the first dungeon set from TBC for my priest.

If you have original tier 0.5 then congrats! I don't, got a few
characters with the original tier 0 BoE pieces, but have to get
replicas from the Darkmoon Faire for all the BoP pieces of both. Which
is a thought: maybe I should start farming tokens next time the faire
comes around, since I think I only have the looks of two class sets at
present: rogue and hunter tier 0.5. A good number of the tier 0 have
the same appearances from heirlooms though so at least I don't need to
collect those.
I already know that this wardrobe will completely set off my
collecting instincts; I'm not doing any old content till 7.0 because I
will hate to vendor stuff but I simply don't have bank space for more
BoPs; any BoEs I gather meanwhile are going in the guildbank (thank
goodness for a private guild lol).

So this wardrobe is a bit like the Diablo3 transmog thingy?

Ashen Shugar

[Catriona R]

Post by Ashen Shugar
something like...

Post by Catriona R
I just went through a big pile of alts and found none on any of my
older characters, seems I always vendored the starting shirts - but
then I found one on one of my youngest pre-cataclysm characters, go
figure! Also discovered a Tabard of the Scarlet Crusade lurking in a
bank, which made me happy, obviously soulbound but I'm glad to have it
for my own collection!

I saw an item to start a quest from the Argent Dawn or something. The
old eastern plaguelands anyway, where you could get quests based on a
profession to craft a heap of a certain something to turn in for
tokens or the like. Not sure I ever actually completed any of those
quests, as I didn't start WoW until it was a year old, so didn't
really make it to 60 all that much before TBC arrived.

Oh wow, the craftsmans writs, I remember those! Didn't do many though,
it always seemed a massive grind to get the materials to make the
stuff, I definitely recall them though :-)

Post by Ashen Shugar

Post by Catriona R
I already know that this wardrobe will completely set off my
collecting instincts; I'm not doing any old content till 7.0 because I
will hate to vendor stuff but I simply don't have bank space for more
BoPs; any BoEs I gather meanwhile are going in the guildbank (thank
goodness for a private guild lol).

So this wardrobe is a bit like the Diablo3 transmog thingy?

Yep, just like in D3 when you acquire an item you learn its
appearance, same goes in WoW; if it's soulbound (obviously you need to
equip a BoE to make it soulbound), and an armour/weapon type
appropriate to your class, you'll learn it and it'll be available
accountwide to other classes than could use it too. Old quest rewards
will be given automatically but anything else has to be in your
bags/bank to learn so I'm hoarding a lot of stuff now, even if I never
use most of the appearances, it'll be in the collections window and so
I'll want to collect it ;-)