Rune of the Guard Captain, wtf

[Bill J.]

Ok, so I used the "Find an Upgrade" feature to find a stat trinket for
my dwarven hunter and I saw this. It said quest reward, so I
immediately assumed (correctly) that it would be Horde only.

I figured "well, I'm level 56, so surely there'll be something equal
or better as an easy reward for both factions in Outland." WRONG

The only 2 trinkets that are strictly better than this(equal or better
in the same stats) are the 60 epic Drake Fang Talisman that drops in
Blackwing Lair, and the 70 epic Madness of the Betrayer that drops in
Black Temple. WTF

Why are there so many quest rewards that are nowhere near matched by
stuff that the other faction can get? Seal of Wrynn, Tunic of
Westfall, Nat Pagle's Extreme Angler FC-5000 before BC, etc. etc. etc.

Why make gear that allows one side to out-stat the other by a full
piece of gear at various levels? I get that the flavor of each side
should be different, but at least allow both sides to get different
gear that is equally powered for the same purposes. Even if the gear
has different flavor and stat mixes, etc, they should be able to
balance it out. This one trinket has equal stats to blue rings
attainable at the same level, and it goes in a slot that many players
wont have any stat-giving equipment for yet.

Once again, WTF.

[Peachhead]

"Find an Upgrade" feature? Where is this?

Post by Bill J.
Ok, so I used the "Find an Upgrade" feature to find a stat trinket for
my dwarven hunter and I saw this. It said quest reward, so I
immediately assumed (correctly) that it would be Horde only.
I figured "well, I'm level 56, so surely there'll be something equal
or better as an easy reward for both factions in Outland." WRONG
The only 2 trinkets that are strictly better than this(equal or better
in the same stats) are the 60 epic Drake Fang Talisman that drops in
Blackwing Lair, and the 70 epic Madness of the Betrayer that drops in
Black Temple. WTF
Why are there so many quest rewards that are nowhere near matched by
stuff that the other faction can get? Seal of Wrynn, Tunic of
Westfall, Nat Pagle's Extreme Angler FC-5000 before BC, etc. etc. etc.
Why make gear that allows one side to out-stat the other by a full
piece of gear at various levels? I get that the flavor of each side
should be different, but at least allow both sides to get different
gear that is equally powered for the same purposes. Even if the gear
has different flavor and stat mixes, etc, they should be able to
balance it out. This one trinket has equal stats to blue rings
attainable at the same level, and it goes in a slot that many players
wont have any stat-giving equipment for yet.
Once again, WTF.

[Don Reese]

On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 11:42:00 -0500, "Peachhead"

Post by Peachhead
"Find an Upgrade" feature? Where is this?

It's part of The Armory at the World of Warcraft site.

http://www.wowarmory.com/

You can search for your character (or any others, for that matter) and
pull up your inventory. Hover over an item and you get an arrow that
pops up, which if you move over it shows a "Find an Upgrade" option.
Click on that to be shown a ton of items, not all of which seem to be
an upgrade or are even available for your faction. ;) (To be honest,
it seems that all items will have at least one stat that will be
better than one of your items stats.)

Don
--
Tansi, 70 Orc Hunter, Arathor
Eseer, 70 Troll Mage, Arathor
Obidon, 70 Undead Warlock, Arathor
Tahota, 62 Tauren Warrior, Arathor
Tiomi, 61 Tauren Shaman, Arathor

[v***@gmail.com]

Post by Bill J.
Ok, so I used the "Find an Upgrade" feature to find a stat trinket for
my dwarven hunter and I saw this. It said quest reward, so I
immediately assumed (correctly) that it would be Horde only.
I figured "well, I'm level 56, so surely there'll be something equal
or better as an easy reward for both factions in Outland." WRONG
The only 2 trinkets that are strictly better than this(equal or better
in the same stats) are the 60 epic Drake Fang Talisman that drops in
Blackwing Lair, and the 70 epic Madness of the Betrayer that drops in
Black Temple. WTF

Bah. You can get a MUCH better trinket on lvl 60, Bladefist's breath.
Trinkets are rare, so you shouldn't expect to try to get an upgrade
which has exactly the same stats. In Outland you get items with
sockets. If an item upgrade makes one of you stats a bit gimped, you
can replace some of them gems with ones which better suit your
requirements.

[Bill J.]

Post by v***@gmail.com

Post by Bill J.
Ok, so I used the "Find an Upgrade" feature to find a stat trinket for
my dwarven hunter and I saw this. It said quest reward, so I
immediately assumed (correctly) that it would be Horde only.
I figured "well, I'm level 56, so surely there'll be something equal
or better as an easy reward for both factions in Outland." WRONG
The only 2 trinkets that are strictly better than this(equal or better
in the same stats) are the 60 epic Drake Fang Talisman that drops in
Blackwing Lair, and the 70 epic Madness of the Betrayer that drops in
Black Temple. WTF

Bah. You can get a MUCH better trinket on lvl 60, Bladefist's breath.
Trinkets are rare, so you shouldn't expect to try to get an upgrade
which has exactly the same stats. In Outland you get items with
sockets. If an item upgrade makes one of you stats a bit gimped, you
can replace some of them gems with ones which better suit your
requirements.

Bah? At what point can a Horde hunter not use Rune of the Guard
Captain AND Bladefist's Breadth *at the same time*?

When can I have a trinket that gives passive stats (especially the hit
rating) that are as good? Rogues get a Dire Maul trinket with hit,
hunters just get AP. There's Terokkar Tablet of Precision, but it's
use ability isn't as good as and doesn't stack with Bladefist's
Breadth, so it is a waste of build points. I suppose the Icon of
Unyielding Courage from heroic Blood Furnace is kinda good. Romulo's
Poison Vial from Kara isn't bad at all. Tsunami Talisman is in SSC and
is also quite good. And Warp-Spring Coil is also nice but is in
Tempest Keep.

At what point does it seem fair that all the realistically better
trinkets for hit rating than Rune of the Guard Captain for someone
stacking +hit are level 70 heroic drops or better?

We still have a situation where Horde characters can do a relatively
easy quest to have 10 more +hit than Alliance until the allies have
done heroics AND raids.

I'm aware of disparities for the allies too, but there should at least
be a level 50 something allied quest reward trinket with 10 +hit and
something worth the same build points as 20 AP, maybe 10 agility or 10
+crit to keep the flavor different than the Horde side.

Oh, and the main reason that I'm going nuts over this is that
my(Dwarven) hunter already has the Blackstone Ring from Maraudon, and
it makes soling higher level mobs noticeably easier, since the fight
can go on for several minutes and his attack speed is quite fast.

[JohnR]

Post by Bill J.

Post by v***@gmail.com

Post by Bill J.
Ok, so I used the "Find an Upgrade" feature to find a stat trinket for
my dwarven hunter and I saw this. It said quest reward, so I
immediately assumed (correctly) that it would be Horde only.
I figured "well, I'm level 56, so surely there'll be something equal
or better as an easy reward for both factions in Outland." WRONG
The only 2 trinkets that are strictly better than this(equal or better
in the same stats) are the 60 epic Drake Fang Talisman that drops in
Blackwing Lair, and the 70 epic Madness of the Betrayer that drops in
Black Temple. WTF

Bah. You can get a MUCH better trinket on lvl 60, Bladefist's breath.
Trinkets are rare, so you shouldn't expect to try to get an upgrade
which has exactly the same stats. In Outland you get items with
sockets. If an item upgrade makes one of you stats a bit gimped, you
can replace some of them gems with ones which better suit your
requirements.

Bah? At what point can a Horde hunter not use Rune of the Guard
Captain AND Bladefist's Breadth *at the same time*?
When can I have a trinket that gives passive stats (especially the hit
rating) that are as good? Rogues get a Dire Maul trinket with hit,
hunters just get AP.

Just be glad you aren't a mage, the mage DM trinket was and is a joke.

[Bill J.]

Post by v***@gmail.com

Post by Bill J.
Ok, so I used the "Find an Upgrade" feature to find a stat trinket for
my dwarven hunter and I saw this. It said quest reward, so I
immediately assumed (correctly) that it would be Horde only.
I figured "well, I'm level 56, so surely there'll be something equal
or better as an easy reward for both factions in Outland." WRONG
The only 2 trinkets that are strictly better than this(equal or better
in the same stats) are the 60 epic Drake Fang Talisman that drops in
Blackwing Lair, and the 70 epic Madness of the Betrayer that drops in
Black Temple. WTF

Bah. You can get a MUCH better trinket on lvl 60, Bladefist's breath.
Trinkets are rare, so you shouldn't expect to try to get an upgrade
which has exactly the same stats. In Outland you get items with
sockets. If an item upgrade makes one of you stats a bit gimped, you
can replace some of them gems with ones which better suit your
requirements.

Oh, and another thing, gems are not equal to trinket slots. I know
this should be obvious, but if I have a trinket available with a stat
I wish to stack, I can use gem slots AND my trinket slot now to get
that stat even higher than if I could just use the gem slots.

Nothing anyone can say, short of Blizz giving us a new level 50
something trinket (fat chance) will change the fact that Horde CAN GET
10 more hit rating than alliance can outside of heroics and raids.
Allies CANNOT catch up in hit rating without doing heroics and raids.

Since I have found hit rating useful for leveling pre-70, this seems
massively unfair to me. I know "life isn't fair" but this is still an
annoying imbalance to me.

[l***@red-dwarf.lan]

Post by Bill J.

Post by v***@gmail.com

Post by Bill J.
Ok, so I used the "Find an Upgrade" feature to find a stat trinket for
my dwarven hunter and I saw this. It said quest reward, so I
immediately assumed (correctly) that it would be Horde only.
I figured "well, I'm level 56, so surely there'll be something equal
or better as an easy reward for both factions in Outland." WRONG
The only 2 trinkets that are strictly better than this(equal or better
in the same stats) are the 60 epic Drake Fang Talisman that drops in
Blackwing Lair, and the 70 epic Madness of the Betrayer that drops in
Black Temple. WTF

Bah. You can get a MUCH better trinket on lvl 60, Bladefist's breath.
Trinkets are rare, so you shouldn't expect to try to get an upgrade
which has exactly the same stats. In Outland you get items with
sockets. If an item upgrade makes one of you stats a bit gimped, you
can replace some of them gems with ones which better suit your
requirements.

Oh, and another thing, gems are not equal to trinket slots. I know
this should be obvious, but if I have a trinket available with a stat
I wish to stack, I can use gem slots AND my trinket slot now to get
that stat even higher than if I could just use the gem slots.
Nothing anyone can say, short of Blizz giving us a new level 50
something trinket (fat chance) will change the fact that Horde CAN GET
10 more hit rating than alliance can outside of heroics and raids.
Allies CANNOT catch up in hit rating without doing heroics and raids.
Since I have found hit rating useful for leveling pre-70, this seems
massively unfair to me. I know "life isn't fair" but this is still an
annoying imbalance to me.

it's only a game...

[Babe Bridou]

Post by Bill J.

Post by v***@gmail.com

Post by Bill J.
Ok, so I used the "Find an Upgrade" feature to find a stat trinket for
my dwarven hunter and I saw this. It said quest reward, so I
immediately assumed (correctly) that it would be Horde only.
I figured "well, I'm level 56, so surely there'll be something equal
or better as an easy reward for both factions in Outland." WRONG
The only 2 trinkets that are strictly better than this(equal or better
in the same stats) are the 60 epic Drake Fang Talisman that drops in
Blackwing Lair, and the 70 epic Madness of the Betrayer that drops in
Black Temple. WTF

Bah. You can get a MUCH better trinket on lvl 60, Bladefist's breath.
Trinkets are rare, so you shouldn't expect to try to get an upgrade
which has exactly the same stats. In Outland you get items with
sockets. If an item upgrade makes one of you stats a bit gimped, you
can replace some of them gems with ones which better suit your
requirements.

Oh, and another thing, gems are not equal to trinket slots. I know
this should be obvious, but if I have a trinket available with a stat
I wish to stack, I can use gem slots AND my trinket slot now to get
that stat even higher than if I could just use the gem slots.
Nothing anyone can say, short of Blizz giving us a new level 50
something trinket (fat chance) will change the fact that Horde CAN GET
10 more hit rating than alliance can outside of heroics and raids.
Allies CANNOT catch up in hit rating without doing heroics and raids.
Since I have found hit rating useful for leveling pre-70, this seems
massively unfair to me. I know "life isn't fair" but this is still an
annoying imbalance to me.

compare Verigan's fist (alliance paladin quest reward, level 22) to
the blood tempered ranseur (horde paladin quest reward, level 23) if
you want a first hint as for why it's not a one-sided imbalance.

Also outside of heroics and raids: compare alliance and horde specific
things: horde get axe-ish rep rewards which can't be used by rogues,
alliance get sword-ish rep rewards which can't be used by shamans.

Similarly, the best "casual" ranged weapons are guns for alliance
(which benefit from those crazy adamantite shells) and bows for horde
(which don't).

[neithskye]

Post by Babe Bridou
compare Verigan's fist (alliance paladin quest reward, level 22) to
the blood tempered ranseur (horde paladin quest reward, level 23) if
you want a first hint as for why it's not a one-sided imbalance.

As a Horde Paladin, I'm so glad you mentioned this. No to mention the
lvl 52 Paladin quest rewards - Alliance get a choice of 3 blues (my
Paladin would have loved that ring), while Horde get a trinket. On the
other hand, I realize Paladins were originally Alliance-only, and I
love my BElfadin so much, I'm not going to split hairs over a few
quest rewards. Besides, I understand that the Summon Charger questline
is a lot more difficult for Alliance.

At any rate, I empathize with the OP. My Paladin actually went back at
lvl 60 or so and soloed "Job Opening: Guard Captain of Revantusk
Village" to get this trinket. At lvl 67 he still uses it (alternating
with other trinkets). But I'm sure there's something somewhere in the
game where Alliance come out ahead, so I guess it all balances out.

--
Jill

[Ishmaiel]

On Sep 10, 7:07 am, neithskye

Post by neithskye

Post by Babe Bridou
compare Verigan's fist (alliance paladin quest reward, level 22) to
the blood tempered ranseur (horde paladin quest reward, level 23) if
you want a first hint as for why it's not a one-sided imbalance.

As a Horde Paladin, I'm so glad you mentioned this. No to mention the
lvl 52 Paladin quest rewards - Alliance get a choice of 3 blues (my
Paladin would have loved that ring), while Horde get a trinket. On the
other hand, I realize Paladins were originally Alliance-only, and I
love my BElfadin so much, I'm not going to split hairs over a few
quest rewards. Besides, I understand that the Summon Charger questline
is a lot more difficult for Alliance.
At any rate, I empathize with the OP. My Paladin actually went back at
lvl 60 or so and soloed "Job Opening: Guard Captain of Revantusk
Village" to get this trinket. At lvl 67 he still uses it (alternating
with other trinkets). But I'm sure there's something somewhere in the
game where Alliance come out ahead, so I guess it all balances out.
--
Jill

Two words: Fear-Ward.

For raiding and arena you still have the advantage. TWO classes that
get it to the Horde's goose egg.

[Babe Bridou]

Post by Ishmaiel
On Sep 10, 7:07 am, neithskye

Post by neithskye

Post by Babe Bridou
compare Verigan's fist (alliance paladin quest reward, level 22) to
the blood tempered ranseur (horde paladin quest reward, level 23) if
you want a first hint as for why it's not a one-sided imbalance.

As a Horde Paladin, I'm so glad you mentioned this. No to mention the
lvl 52 Paladin quest rewards - Alliance get a choice of 3 blues (my
Paladin would have loved that ring), while Horde get a trinket. On the
other hand, I realize Paladins were originally Alliance-only, and I
love my BElfadin so much, I'm not going to split hairs over a few
quest rewards. Besides, I understand that the Summon Charger questline
is a lot more difficult for Alliance.
At any rate, I empathize with the OP. My Paladin actually went back at
lvl 60 or so and soloed "Job Opening: Guard Captain of Revantusk
Village" to get this trinket. At lvl 67 he still uses it (alternating
with other trinkets). But I'm sure there's something somewhere in the
game where Alliance come out ahead, so I guess it all balances out.
--
Jill

Two words: Fear-Ward.
For raiding and arena you still have the advantage. TWO classes that
get it to the Horde's goose egg.

Naah... fear ward just makes things that are easy to handle a tiny bit
easier. And in PVP, with all the dispel spamming going on whenever I
see a priest (I swear dispel is my main damage source :P), I can
guarantee you I've only seen a fear ward resist message on a dwarven
priest... twice. In 30 months. I'll never, ever, give up my hex of
weakness for any other racial spell.