Reasonable price for a dreadsteed service?

[s***@googlemail.com]

Seems the price on my realm for a warlock to come and do the final
dreadsteed summoning using their own mats is 125g. Seems like a lot
to me but obviously saves me spending 250g on my own mats. Anyone got
any experience of this?

[lcpltom]

Post by s***@googlemail.com
Seems the price on my realm for a warlock to come and do the final
dreadsteed summoning using their own mats is 125g. Seems like a lot
to me but obviously saves me spending 250g on my own mats. Anyone got
any experience of this?

I offer warlocks in my guild free use of them, so long as I am online
and available to run it with them.

[Kouros]

Post by lcpltom
I offer warlocks in my guild free use of them, so long as I am online
and available to run it with them.

I do it for free with my summoning mats always as well, no matter if I
know them already or if they are completely strange. I usually
encourage warlock who's quest we are doing to find people to clear the
instance and suggest that I join them at the end. If he can't find
enough people, I'll help with the clearing as well.

It's just so sad to see a fellow warlock who's passed lvl 60 and have
not been able to do the quest but instead have bought the racial
mount. :P

Still hoping to see the warlock mounts for TBC one day. Let's at least
wish that Blizzard will be a bit more generous with the warlock mounts
when WotLK comes out.

[lcpltom]

Post by Kouros

Post by lcpltom
I offer warlocks in my guild free use of them, so long as I am online
and available to run it with them.

I do it for free with my summoning mats always as well, no matter if I
know them already or if they are completely strange. I usually
encourage warlock who's quest we are doing to find people to clear the
instance and suggest that I join them at the end. If he can't find
enough people, I'll help with the clearing as well.
It's just so sad to see a fellow warlock who's passed lvl 60 and have
not been able to do the quest but instead have bought the racial
mount. :P
Still hoping to see the warlock mounts for TBC one day. Let's at least
wish that Blizzard will be a bit more generous with the warlock mounts
when WotLK comes out.

I won't do it for just anyone, only the people I know. Gold is in
easy supply now, even at 60 if you just hop to Outlands for a few
levels, you end up with enough to go back and run through your
dreadsteed quests.

But, I've also never been asked by a random person to come to the
instance and summon the dreadsteed for them. Only by guildies. The
closest I have come to being asked was some random person whispered me
to ask where they start the dreadsteed quest. I answered their
question, but they never left me alone after that, always whispering
me to chat. Got really annoyed with the distraction of it during an
instance run one day and added them to my ignore list.

I think the dreadsteed quest is in severe need of an upgrade, such
that its still fun to do, but get rid of the grind for it, its not a
challenge anymore.

[m***@gmail.com]

Post by Kouros
Still hoping to see the warlock mounts for TBC one day. Let's at least
wish that Blizzard will be a bit more generous with the warlock mounts
when WotLK comes out.

My guess is that paladins and warlocks have already had their freebie
mount chance. Druids got the freebie option in TBC. My guess is a
different class will get their turn at skipping (or reducing, though
druids got off pretty much free :)) the mount money grind. Who wants
to take bets on Death Knights getting free WoTLK mounts? :)

Mike

[lcpltom]

Post by m***@gmail.com

Post by Kouros
Still hoping to see the warlock mounts for TBC one day. Let's at least
wish that Blizzard will be a bit more generous with the warlock mounts
when WotLK comes out.

My guess is that paladins and warlocks have already had their freebie
mount chance. Druids got the freebie option in TBC. My guess is a
different class will get their turn at skipping (or reducing, though
druids got off pretty much free :)) the mount money grind. Who wants
to take bets on Death Knights getting free WoTLK mounts? :)
Mike

Well, the level 40 warlock and paladin mounts were freebies,
definitely. But the level 60 mounts were not. Likewise, the level 68
light form was a freebie for druids, but the level 70 swift form was
not.

The biggest issue I saw was with the warlock lore from Blizzard's own
website. It says that warlocks summon demonic steeds to serve as
their mounts. This is how it worked until TBC came out, now warlocks
have to buy their training and flying mounts.

I don't mind paying for the mount, I just want my warlock to have
something unique, and something that I can show off as an
accomplishment. The dreadsteed was an accomplishment before TBC, now
the hardest part of getting the dreadsteed is finding some people to
do DM and Scholo with you.

[Christopher Adams]

Post by lcpltom
The biggest issue I saw was with the warlock lore from Blizzard's own
website. It says that warlocks summon demonic steeds to serve as
their mounts. This is how it worked until TBC came out, now warlocks
have to buy their training and flying mounts.

I think it would be absolutely fantastic if warlocks could summon a demonic
horse which could just ride into the sky.

[ScratchMonkey]

Post by lcpltom
I don't mind paying for the mount, I just want my warlock to have
something unique, and something that I can show off as an
accomplishment. The dreadsteed was an accomplishment before TBC, now
the hardest part of getting the dreadsteed is finding some people to
do DM and Scholo with you.

For me, the ability to assemble a group is the defining challenge, even
pre-TBC. A dreadsteed is a group accomplishment, not the individual
warlock's. If you're looking for a guild that supports its members, look
for dreadsteeds and chargers.

[Kouros]

Post by m***@gmail.com

Post by Kouros
Still hoping to see the warlock mounts for TBC one day. Let's at least
wish that Blizzard will be a bit more generous with the warlock mounts
when WotLK comes out.

My guess is that paladins and warlocks have already had their freebie
mount chance.  Druids got the freebie option in TBC.  My guess is a
different class will get their turn at skipping (or reducing, though
druids got off pretty much free :)) the mount money grind.  Who wants
to take bets on Death Knights getting free WoTLK mounts? :)
Mike

Well, I am not after freebie mount, but just a updates for the class
mount for the expansions be it as expensive as racial mounts (yeah I
know, training's the expensive part) or hard to get via questing. Lore-
wise it would make sense.

[Carl Warnell]

On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 02:50:03 -0700 (PDT),

Post by s***@googlemail.com
Seems the price on my realm for a warlock to come and do the final
dreadsteed summoning using their own mats is 125g. Seems like a lot
to me but obviously saves me spending 250g on my own mats. Anyone got
any experience of this?

Is that to run the instance as well, or just to do the last bit? I
only managed to sell the service once, for 75g to a random because I
like to help out other locks. But I also ran it once for free for a
guildie, so that's three times I've run it now.

[Majestick]

Post by Carl Warnell
On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 02:50:03 -0700 (PDT),

Post by s***@googlemail.com
Seems the price on my realm for a warlock to come and do the final
dreadsteed summoning using their own mats is 125g.  Seems like a lot
to me but obviously saves me spending 250g on my own mats.  Anyone got
any experience of this?

Is that to run the instance as well, or just to do the last bit? I
only managed to sell the service once, for 75g to a random because I
like to help out other locks. But I also ran it once for free for a
guildie, so that's three times I've run it now.
--
                      _____                  .      .                 <|
Carl Warnell          '  o/  FORE!    .                  .             |
                        /|  .                                 .     ...o

Personally I would charge a stranger for it with my lock because at
lvl 70 there is not much for me to gain by it. I am not an enchanter
so any BoP would be useless to me because of the level difference. I
would be burning a fair bit of time to do it, and between comming home
from work and going to sleep there is not that much time availible. I
wouldn't charge a friend, but I would make sure we would get it done
as quickly as possible.

I'm waiting for blizzard to include in their EULA that you are not
allowed to do this...Or maybe just ban people paying for runs
altogether. Then morally superior on this group might learn a little
humility.

[lcpltom]

Post by Majestick

Post by Carl Warnell
On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 02:50:03 -0700 (PDT),

Post by s***@googlemail.com
Seems the price on my realm for a warlock to come and do the final
dreadsteed summoning using their own mats is 125g. Seems like a lot
to me but obviously saves me spending 250g on my own mats. Anyone got
any experience of this?

Is that to run the instance as well, or just to do the last bit? I
only managed to sell the service once, for 75g to a random because I
like to help out other locks. But I also ran it once for free for a
guildie, so that's three times I've run it now.
--
_____ . . <|
Carl Warnell ' o/ FORE! . . |
/| . . ...o

Personally I would charge a stranger for it with my lock because at
lvl 70 there is not much for me to gain by it. I am not an enchanter
so any BoP would be useless to me because of the level difference. I
would be burning a fair bit of time to do it, and between comming home
from work and going to sleep there is not that much time availible. I
wouldn't charge a friend, but I would make sure we would get it done
as quickly as possible.
I'm waiting for blizzard to include in their EULA that you are not
allowed to do this...Or maybe just ban people paying for runs
altogether. Then morally superior on this group might learn a little
humility.

I think I read somewhere that Blizzard has no problem with this kind
of gold trade, so long as there is no real world monetary exchange
involved. I think I read about it in an article on guilds selling
raid spots for gold to people who just wanted loot.

[Majestick]

Post by lcpltom

Post by Majestick

Post by Carl Warnell
On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 02:50:03 -0700 (PDT),

Post by s***@googlemail.com
Seems the price on my realm for a warlock to come and do the final
dreadsteed summoning using their own mats is 125g. Seems like a lot
to me but obviously saves me spending 250g on my own mats. Anyone got
any experience of this?

Is that to run the instance as well, or just to do the last bit? I
only managed to sell the service once, for 75g to a random because I
like to help out other locks. But I also ran it once for free for a
guildie, so that's three times I've run it now.
--
_____ . . <|
Carl Warnell ' o/ FORE! . . |
/| . . ...o

Personally I would charge a stranger for it with my lock because at
lvl 70 there is not much for me to gain by it. I am not an enchanter
so any BoP would be useless to me because of the level difference. I
would be burning a fair bit of time to do it, and between comming home
from work and going to sleep there is not that much time availible. I
wouldn't charge a friend, but I would make sure we would get it done
as quickly as possible.
I'm waiting for blizzard to include in their EULA that you are not
allowed to do this...Or maybe just ban people paying for runs
altogether. Then morally superior on this group might learn a little
humility.

I think I read somewhere that Blizzard has no problem with this kind
of gold trade, so long as there is no real world monetary exchange
involved. I think I read about it in an article on guilds selling
raid spots for gold to people who just wanted loot.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Yet somehow, amidst the cries of outrage for selling gold, power
leveling, PuG's in BG's, selling arena points (which is for in game
gold and is rumored to be banned soon), selling accounts, and general
in game disruptions (kazzak bombs, leading mobs into populated areas)
it is permissible to just barter your way through content. Heh, it's
just a bit ironic. My only pet-peeve in this all is the people who
don't question. The one's who just go with it for the sake of
acceptance and self-righteousness. "Well Blizzard is ok with it, so
why should I care?" or the "Blizzard says it's bad so it has to be
wrong to the nth degree."

I have sold runs for instances plenty of times, in fact my "Merc"
guild used to encourage it. We even had set prices and specialists
(guildies who know a particular instance like the back of their hand).
I think my favorite was doing RFC for someone for 15g, my toon was a
gnome and the customer was a night elf. I thought about all the people
who paid for this and laughed at them just buying their progress.

All well, as long as there is polymorph in the game there will be
sheeple who will blindly follow.

[lcpltom]

Post by Majestick

Post by lcpltom

Post by Majestick

Post by Carl Warnell
On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 02:50:03 -0700 (PDT),

Post by s***@googlemail.com
Seems the price on my realm for a warlock to come and do the final
dreadsteed summoning using their own mats is 125g. Seems like a lot
to me but obviously saves me spending 250g on my own mats. Anyone got
any experience of this?

Is that to run the instance as well, or just to do the last bit? I
only managed to sell the service once, for 75g to a random because I
like to help out other locks. But I also ran it once for free for a
guildie, so that's three times I've run it now.
--
_____ . . <|
Carl Warnell ' o/ FORE! . . |
/| . . ...o

Personally I would charge a stranger for it with my lock because at
lvl 70 there is not much for me to gain by it. I am not an enchanter
so any BoP would be useless to me because of the level difference. I
would be burning a fair bit of time to do it, and between comming home
from work and going to sleep there is not that much time availible. I
wouldn't charge a friend, but I would make sure we would get it done
as quickly as possible.
I'm waiting for blizzard to include in their EULA that you are not
allowed to do this...Or maybe just ban people paying for runs
altogether. Then morally superior on this group might learn a little
humility.

I think I read somewhere that Blizzard has no problem with this kind
of gold trade, so long as there is no real world monetary exchange
involved. I think I read about it in an article on guilds selling
raid spots for gold to people who just wanted loot.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Yet somehow, amidst the cries of outrage for selling gold, power
leveling, PuG's in BG's, selling arena points (which is for in game
gold and is rumored to be banned soon), selling accounts, and general
in game disruptions (kazzak bombs, leading mobs into populated areas)
it is permissible to just barter your way through content. Heh, it's
just a bit ironic. My only pet-peeve in this all is the people who
don't question. The one's who just go with it for the sake of
acceptance and self-righteousness. "Well Blizzard is ok with it, so
why should I care?" or the "Blizzard says it's bad so it has to be
wrong to the nth degree."
I have sold runs for instances plenty of times, in fact my "Merc"
guild used to encourage it. We even had set prices and specialists
(guildies who know a particular instance like the back of their hand).
I think my favorite was doing RFC for someone for 15g, my toon was a
gnome and the customer was a night elf. I thought about all the people
who paid for this and laughed at them just buying their progress.
All well, as long as there is polymorph in the game there will be
sheeple who will blindly follow.

Well, Blizzard does feature factions you could literally buy your rep
for. Coilfang Armaments and Unidentified Plant Parts, Aldor/Scryer
rep items, cloth for faction rep, and netherwing herbs/ores/skins can
all be sold and purchased on the AH.

People can level crafting professions without even having a gathering
profession just buy buying off of someone else's gathering work.

People without gathering professions can get crafted items through the
AH, or by finding a crafter, which usually entails tipping the
crafter.

I have no problem with selling any kind of service in game so long as
it is for in game gold. I think the whole problem with selling arena
spots isn't in the selling, its in the players obtaining gear they
didn't earn or deserve. Selling the arena spot is fine with me, but I
think the gear should be team linked to discourage selling the spots
to people, letting them get their gear, then booting them out in order
to sell the spot to another player who wants the gear.

But RFC? That one I don't understand. Until 2.3, RFC dropped very
little useful gear. What would an alliance player want from there?

But selling that stuff for real world cash, no, that just opens the
wrong doors. It brings it to the point of the players with the most
real world cash to spend will be the ones who get the best stuff.
Takes a lot of the real game play out of the game.

[Majestick]

Post by lcpltom
Well, Blizzard does feature factions you could literally buy your rep
for. Coilfang Armaments and Unidentified Plant Parts, Aldor/Scryer
rep items, cloth for faction rep, and netherwing herbs/ores/skins can
all be sold and purchased on the AH.
People can level crafting professions without even having a gathering
profession just buy buying off of someone else's gathering work.

yeah, I never really agreed with that as well. My main/guild/local G
farmer has tons of gold so I can guy myself into good rep? naw, too
simple. just grind out what you need . Even though it occurs, you
won't hear me chasing after others and flaming them for not playing
"fair", even in an anonymous environment.

Post by lcpltom
People without gathering professions can get crafted items through the
AH, or by finding a crafter, which usually entails tipping the
crafter.

While the similarities are there, I would have to say its kind of a
different shade of logic. One is a service and the other is a product.
If buying the armor or weapon doesn't net any xp then you are just
partaking in inter-player commerce. If buying that weapon completes a
quest then it's a service. I think I have less trouble with the idea
of paying for products than services. Sure that product might make it
easier for you to complete an instance, but you still have to group up
and run it. Very different than sitting at the entrance while a lvl 70
clears it out for you.

Post by lcpltom
I have no problem with selling any kind of service in game so long as
it is for in game gold. I think the whole problem with selling arena
spots isn't in the selling, its in the players obtaining gear they
didn't earn or deserve. Selling the arena spot is fine with me, but I
think the gear should be team linked to discourage selling the spots
to people, letting them get their gear, then booting them out in order
to sell the spot to another player who wants the gear.

I completely agree.

Post by lcpltom
But RFC? That one I don't understand. Until 2.3, RFC dropped very
little useful gear. What would an alliance player want from there?

It was the day that 2.3 was released. I didn't knwo what she was
looking for (priest) because I hadn't had a chance to review the
release notes, but she seemed happy when we ported.

Post by lcpltom
But selling that stuff for real world cash, no, that just opens the
wrong doors. It brings it to the point of the players with the most
real world cash to spend will be the ones who get the best stuff.
Takes a lot of the real game play out of the game.-

I sit on the fence on this one. I agree that the "he with the fatter
wallet shall be uber" is unfair to many in PvP, but beyond that you
don't play against anyone else. Will Illidan care that you bought you
toon to kill him? Probably not. If you raid Kara does that forever
exclude someone else from doing it. not really. Sure you may have
missed out on the meat-n-potatos of the game that make it enjoyable,
but it your money.

I know pvp is a little bit of a different animal in regards to this,
but I don't think anyone who does serious pvp isn't expecting anything
less that a uber geared opponent. If I had a dime for ever toon I had
seen in T-whatever gear in pvp I would be rich.

Anywho, this is just one persons perspective. I don't plan on beaing
anyone over the face with it (unless I have to). :P

[pv+ (PV)]

Post by lcpltom
Well, Blizzard does feature factions you could literally buy your rep
for. Coilfang Armaments and Unidentified Plant Parts, Aldor/Scryer
rep items, cloth for faction rep, and netherwing herbs/ores/skins can
all be sold and purchased on the AH.

And there's nothing wrong with that, because it's staying inside the
context of the game. If some incredible idiot wants to pay a small fortune
for a run through an instance ... I'll laugh out loud at them and refuse to
do it, but I don't care if someone else does.

Post by lcpltom
I have no problem with selling any kind of service in game so long as
it is for in game gold. I think the whole problem with selling arena
spots isn't in the selling, its in the players obtaining gear they
didn't earn or deserve.

Right. I hate win trading and team buying for another reason entirely -
it wrecks the game for other people who don't participate. If I want to go
into an arena (and I don't), it will be to play, not to watch some other team
dancing naked over and over again.

Post by lcpltom
But RFC? That one I don't understand. Until 2.3, RFC dropped very
little useful gear. What would an alliance player want from there?

Twinks, probably. They're usually the ones looking for high-end enchants on
level 19 or less gear.

Post by lcpltom
But selling that stuff for real world cash, no, that just opens the
wrong doors. It brings it to the point of the players with the most
real world cash to spend will be the ones who get the best stuff.
Takes a lot of the real game play out of the game.

It also encourages account hacking, which is reason alone not to give your
money to gold sellers. *

[ScratchMonkey]

Post by Majestick
I think my favorite was doing RFC for someone for 15g, my toon was a
gnome and the customer was a night elf. I thought about all the people
who paid for this and laughed at them just buying their progress.

I'd pay 15g to run my level 12 alliance toon through RFC, just to say I was
there.

I was on my belf paladin and saw a group of alliance in Eversong one day,
including some lowbies. Apparently a guild had summoned some lowbie hunters
to get dragonhawks as pets. That might be a lucrative service to perform.

[Carl Warnell]

On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 05:39:07 -0700 (PDT), Majestick

Post by Majestick
I'm waiting for blizzard to include in their EULA that you are not
allowed to do this...Or maybe just ban people paying for runs
altogether. Then morally superior on this group might learn a little
humility.

Hmm. When you charge to enchant something, you don't just price up the
mats, or do for free if mats are supplied and you gain no skill,
right? You price according to (a) what the market will stand, (b)
reflect the cost of your skilling up, and (c) the cost (money or time)
in acquiring the enchant recipe.

So, when I was lvl 64 250g was a big deal. What's wrong with my trying
to make some of that back by charging for a DiM run? If Blizz didn't
want to allow it, they'd make the mats expire on use. I get a bit of
the cash back, the person getting the dreadsteed doesn't have to fork
out 250g, everybody's happy.

[Jason Tinling]

On Apr 3, 1:00 pm, Carl Warnell <***@bogart.org.uk> wrote:

Not arguing against your right to charge for a Dreadsteed run but,

Post by Carl Warnell
When you charge to enchant something, you don't just price up the
mats, or do for free if mats are supplied and you gain no skill,
right?

Yes, I do. And most enchanters similarly. Hell, I used to give a tip
to the enchantee when I got a skill point. Or give away enchants,
with my mats, just for the chance to skill up (not so much from
350-375). If I'm supplying mats, I may round up the Auctioneer
supplied price to whole gold for ease of math and accounting for how
out of date my auctioneer data may be, but that's the only "charge" in
the transaction. Tips are welcome and appreciated, but not required.

[Carl Warnell]

On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 14:17:52 -0700 (PDT), Jason Tinling

Post by Jason Tinling
Yes, I do. And most enchanters similarly. Hell, I used to give a tip
to the enchantee when I got a skill point

LOL, so which one of us is the fool here? ;-)

[steve.kaye]

Post by Carl Warnell
On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 14:17:52 -0700 (PDT), Jason Tinling

Yes, I do.  And most enchanters similarly.  Hell, I used to give a tip
to the enchantee when I got a skill point

LOL, so which one of us is the fool here? ;-)

The person who levels up at great expense or the person that only pays
5g per point to skill up?

On my server, it's common practice for crafters, particularly
enchanters, to advertise that they'll pay you a tip if they get a
skill up with your mats. Before the change to the availability of the
drum recipes I'd seen leatherworkers offer 10g to craft you a riding
crop with your mats and it used to be that you could buy riding crops
off the AH for less than the Primal Might the recipe needs.

I always refuse the payment and give a tip instead but I'm sure lots
don't.

steve.kaye

[Carl Warnell]

On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 02:58:41 -0700 (PDT), "steve.kaye"

Post by steve.kaye
On my server, it's common practice for crafters, particularly
enchanters, to advertise that they'll pay you a tip if they get a
skill up with your mats.

Yes, but that's *so* open to abuse. "Sorry, I didn't get a skill-up".
I do "skill" enchants for free (my enchanting's 359) but I'll be
buggered if I'm going to waste my time travelling across Azeroth or
hanging around for someone for a grey enchant for a stranger. Of
course if theyr'e already standing next to me, it's a different
matter.

[pv+ (PV)]

Post by Carl Warnell
Yes, but that's *so* open to abuse. "Sorry, I didn't get a skill-up".

Ask them to log off so that armory updates if you don't trust them.
Enchanters work on trust - you don't fool with it.

Also, I told them that if it was a yellow enchant I would pay half the
bonus even if I didn't get the point, and for orange ones I would always
pay. Fortunately I never had to pay out for those, since I always got my
points from 360-375, having a lot of orange enchants from raiding and
farming. *

[pv+ (PV)]

Post by steve.kaye
On my server, it's common practice for crafters, particularly
enchanters, to advertise that they'll pay you a tip if they get a
skill up with your mats.

Yep. In fact, back in the early days of BC, it was common to have bidding
wars on trade for how much you'd give away if you got a skillup. I paid
people 10g per skillup (mats supplied by the person needing the enchant)
from 360-375, and it was worth it, considering if I did them myself, I
would easily be paying a 100g (or more) per point. And, I still had all my
materials left over, so I could enchant my own gear with them at the end. *

[Jason Tinling]

Post by Carl Warnell
On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 14:17:52 -0700 (PDT), Jason Tinling

Post by Jason Tinling
Yes, I do. And most enchanters similarly. Hell, I used to give a tip
to the enchantee when I got a skill point

LOL, so which one of us is the fool here? ;-)
--
_____ . . <|
Carl Warnell ' o/ FORE! . . |
/| . . ...o

Well, instead of standing in a capital, waiting for someone looking
for AP to bracers, etc to hopefully get a skill point, I can, at 0-5g
per person, advertise once or twice in trade, have people come to me,
and skill-up my enchanting. As for abuse, sure it can be abused, any
transaction in the game can. If I get a reputation for never paying
out, my "business" declines. If someone's bringing me 10-200+g worth
of mats for an enchant, the 5g "tip" certainly isn't their major
incentive. It may get them to choose me over another enchanter
though, and that's something I was willing to invest a potential 5-10g
in in order to get to 375.

Best regards,
Jason

[That Guy]

Post by Carl Warnell
On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 14:17:52 -0700 (PDT), Jason Tinling

Post by Jason Tinling
Yes, I do. And most enchanters similarly. Hell, I used to give a tip
to the enchantee when I got a skill point

LOL, so which one of us is the fool here? ;-)

Hate to break it to you carl, but my enchanter worked the same way when
skilling up, I'd offer to do any enchants that were green or better (using
the enchantee's mats) for free plus if i got skill point i'd give them 5g.
Made my skill go up a lot faster.

[p***@yahoo.com]

Post by s***@googlemail.com
any experience of this?

I've always done it for free. Never thought about charging for it.
But these days, 250g is cheap - back before Outland, you had to grind
a long time to get that much. Pre-Outland I used to get asked A LOT
to go, post Outland, not too much.