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So you can 'talk' to other players in Wow-my dream come true!
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p***@yahoo.co.uk
2006-10-12 14:16:57 UTC
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There's a post a few down talking about Headsets. In there the poster
mentions 'Ventrilo'. I checked out the (US) website and it 'seems' as
if you could use this software to talk to other players while in Wow.

Now, I do not know about you, but I have become very frustrated with
tapping out messages in the chat panel while trying to concentrate on
not dieing (esp in an instance playing with other
unfamiliar players). I have been wiped so many times in grouped fights
because there is little or no communication. So this product seems like
a godsend.

Does anyone use it? If so, how do you rate it and also, how do you work
it alongside the
normal sound in Wow - after all, there is only one green audio
socket.....???

any comments welcomed
Eric D. Braden
2006-10-12 14:28:48 UTC
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Post by p***@yahoo.co.uk
There's a post a few down talking about Headsets. In there the poster
mentions 'Ventrilo'. I checked out the (US) website and it 'seems' as
if you could use this software to talk to other players while in Wow.
Now, I do not know about you, but I have become very frustrated with
tapping out messages in the chat panel while trying to concentrate on
not dieing (esp in an instance playing with other
unfamiliar players). I have been wiped so many times in grouped fights
because there is little or no communication. So this product seems like
a godsend.
Does anyone use it? If so, how do you rate it and also, how do you work
it alongside the
normal sound in Wow - after all, there is only one green audio
socket.....???
any comments welcomed
It's basically just headphones with a mic attached. The WoW sounds
continue to come through the same speakers as the voices. The headset
typically has a split end, with a line out jack and a mic jack.

Vent is pretty highly recommended. You may have some trouble getting
random PuGs to get on, but it is very heavily used in WoW and other
MMOs, especially in raiding. Most guilds require it.
PGerringer
2006-10-12 14:35:48 UTC
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Practically all raiding guilds use Vent. There are a few others out
there too. Its a stand alone server not attached to WoW at all. It
can be used while playing EQ, DDO or any other PC game.
ASKF
2006-10-12 19:43:42 UTC
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PGerringer ytrede sig i
Post by PGerringer
Practically all raiding guilds use Vent. There are a few others out
there too. Its a stand alone server not attached to WoW at all. It
can be used while playing EQ, DDO or any other PC game.
Wrong, there's just as many guilds that use TeamSpeak ;-P

Benefits of TeamSpeak: It's free and it's easy to set up your own server
(bandwith load is very little for the server).
--
Allan Stig Kiilerich Frederiksen
"When you try to change a mans paradigm, you must keep in mind that he
can hear you only through the filter of the paradigm he holds."
-Myron Tribus
Catriona R
2006-10-12 14:49:00 UTC
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any comments welcomed
It's the world's worst invention. I hate voice communications with a
passion; I'm a person who can *either* listen to what's being said *or*
concentrate on what I'm doing, not both. Meaning that if I use voice chat I
will screw up repeatedly or not understand most of what's said, and of
course everyone else will assume I did understand everything because I'm
there in the channel with them.

But if I don't use it I'm left out of the loop as the rest of the group is
chatting to each other and completely ignoring me, as they sure as hell
never type anything. I've reached the stage where I refuse to join groups
where voice communications are in use, as they result in significantly
worse communication.
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Balgair - Human Rogue (lvl 60)
Sagart - Undead Priest (lvl 60)
Sgoildubh - Human Mage (lvl 44)
Beag - Dwarf Paladin (lvl 42)
Sealgair - Dwarf Hunter (lvl 41)
Thomas J. Boschloo
2006-10-12 15:22:06 UTC
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Post by Catriona R
Post by p***@yahoo.co.uk
any comments welcomed
It's the world's worst invention. I hate voice communications with a
passion; I'm a person who can *either* listen to what's being said *or*
concentrate on what I'm doing, not both. Meaning that if I use voice chat I
will screw up repeatedly or not understand most of what's said, and of
course everyone else will assume I did understand everything because I'm
there in the channel with them.
But if I don't use it I'm left out of the loop as the rest of the group is
chatting to each other and completely ignoring me, as they sure as hell
never type anything. I've reached the stage where I refuse to join groups
where voice communications are in use, as they result in significantly
worse communication.
I bet WoW2 (when they have milked out WoW BC enough) will have voices in
your raid coming from the correct direction. And will come with advanced
filtering options.

I have never worked with teamspeak or ventilo though. If the voices are
nice and calming I guess it would work for me. If a voice annoys me it
will probably be better for the raid not to have me hear it :-) Things
that annoy me break my concentration!

To the OP, get a typing diploma. I can (have) typed 205 characters per
minute with very few mistakes and 140 cpm typing coded messages in the
army (both on ancient heavy machines). It helps a lot! And I seldom find
someone who can keep up with me or top me.

Once you type blind above 160cpm you never unlearn I am told. The thing
that bothers me is that you cannot start a heal while you are typing
your message /-X (or can you? It has been a while since I played WoW
for me; I remember franticly hitting the esc key for some reason)

Regards,
Thomas
--
"Give me what i need, or i take what i want"
Hanin Elias - Wanting a machine
Jack D
2006-10-12 15:42:02 UTC
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Post by Thomas J. Boschloo
Once you type blind above 160cpm you never unlearn I am told. The thing
that bothers me is that you cannot start a heal while you are typing
your message /-X (or can you? It has been a while since I played WoW
for me; I remember franticly hitting the esc key for some reason)
Just wait with typing until DPS grabs aggro ;-) (Sorry couldn't help myself...)

But you can indeed not use shortcut keys while typing, which often
leads to the immortal 'RUNWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWSSSDD' messages. You
can still use your hotbar + mouse though...
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Nerghal - Undead Warlock L60 - Bloodscalp EU
Chasey - Undead Priest L48 - Bloodscalp EU
Thomas J. Boschloo
2006-10-12 16:12:55 UTC
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Post by Jack D
Post by Thomas J. Boschloo
Once you type blind above 160cpm you never unlearn I am told. The thing
that bothers me is that you cannot start a heal while you are typing
your message /-X (or can you? It has been a while since I played WoW
for me; I remember franticly hitting the esc key for some reason)
Just wait with typing until DPS grabs aggro ;-) (Sorry couldn't help myself...)
Now that would truly be evil ;-D [letting DPS die in order to finish a
sentence]
Post by Jack D
But you can indeed not use shortcut keys while typing, which often leads
to the immortal 'RUNWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWSSSDD' messages. You can
still use your hotbar + mouse though...
Or 'fasdl;jgbf jisdvlk' <enter>. I do that sometimes to 'alert' party
members to grave danger (sometimes it also means 'healer under attack'
with me ;-) When I need the QWES keys to run to someone to get the aggro
off).

lol,
Thomas
--
"Give me what i need, or i take what i want"
Hanin Elias - Wanting a machine
j***@hexduxhmp.org
2006-10-12 19:03:18 UTC
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Post by Thomas J. Boschloo
Or 'fasdl;jgbf jisdvlk' <enter>. I do that sometimes to 'alert' party
My friend and I agree to interpret any gibberish as "I need help real
bad *right now*". If I'm trailing pretty far behind him and get jumped,
I dont typically feel like typing out "Prithee my good mate, could you
come help me out of this precarious spot?" :)
ASKF
2006-10-12 20:15:29 UTC
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Post by j***@hexduxhmp.org
Post by Thomas J. Boschloo
Or 'fasdl;jgbf jisdvlk' <enter>. I do that sometimes to 'alert' party
My friend and I agree to interpret any gibberish as "I need help real
bad *right now*". If I'm trailing pretty far behind him and get jumped,
I dont typically feel like typing out "Prithee my good mate, could you
come help me out of this precarious spot?" :)
That's what macroes are for, and it's nearly as usefull as /spit %t ;-D
--
Allan Stig Kiilerich Frederiksen
"When you try to change a mans paradigm, you must keep in mind that he
can hear you only through the filter of the paradigm he holds."
-Myron Tribus
pv+ (PV)
2006-10-12 16:25:33 UTC
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Post by Jack D
But you can indeed not use shortcut keys while typing, which often
leads to the immortal 'RUNWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWSSSDD' messages. You
can still use your hotbar + mouse though...
Or charcters going through odd conniptions and jumping fits when you THINK
you're typing into the chatbox but aren't really. *
--
* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
like corkscrews.
j***@hexduxhmp.org
2006-10-12 19:02:09 UTC
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Or charcters going through odd conniptions and jumping fits when you THINK
you're typing into the chatbox but aren't really. *
I'm always doing that. I start typing away and my char freaks out
and all sorts of windows start popping up on my screen.
Catriona R
2006-10-13 03:17:36 UTC
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Post by j***@hexduxhmp.org
Post by pv+ (PV)
Or charcters going through odd conniptions and jumping fits when you THINK
you're typing into the chatbox but aren't really. *
I'm always doing that. I start typing away and my char freaks out
and all sorts of windows start popping up on my screen.
Me too! So annoying, especially when I type something with a number in it
and set off a spell.
--
EU-Draenor:
Balgair - Human Rogue (lvl 60)
Sagart - Undead Priest (lvl 60)
Sgoildubh - Human Mage (lvl 44)
Beag - Dwarf Paladin (lvl 42)
Sealgair - Dwarf Hunter (lvl 41)
k***@gmx.de
2006-10-13 06:00:46 UTC
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Post by Catriona R
Post by p***@yahoo.co.uk
any comments welcomed
It's the world's worst invention. I hate voice communications with a
passion;
/signed
Post by Catriona R
I'm a person who can *either* listen to what's being said *or*
concentrate on what I'm doing, not both.
Well, I can do both, I just hate to hear the voice of the mighty
undefeatable epic warrior..who is 12 years old. Or the female gnome
mage with the voice of a 50 year old biker. It's still for me a mmoRPG
and this, together with the complete OOCness, destroys everything for
me.
Jack D
2006-10-13 08:48:55 UTC
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Post by k***@gmx.de
Well, I can do both, I just hate to hear the voice of the mighty
undefeatable epic warrior..who is 12 years old. Or the female gnome
mage with the voice of a 50 year old biker. It's still for me a mmoRPG
and this, together with the complete OOCness, destroys everything for
me.
I think we are quite lucky in our guild. Our two main tanks are both
from the UK, one has a very deep voice (and he used to have a crappy
mic, making him sound even more according to his char...) and the other
one has a heavy scottish accent, resulting in all the necessari 'sheep
and haggis' jokes whenever he opens his mouth :)

Our evil female undead warlock has the sweetest voice you've ever
heard, making her even more deadly than her succubus...
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Nerghal - Undead Warlock L60 - Bloodscalp EU
Chasey - Undead Priest L48 - Bloodscalp EU
Vladesch
2006-10-13 06:10:45 UTC
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Post by Catriona R
where voice communications are in use, as they result in significantly
worse communication.
rofl
Catriona R
2006-10-13 13:59:02 UTC
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On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:40:45 +0930, "Vladesch"
Post by Catriona R
where voice communications are in use, as they result in significantly
worse communication.
rofl
Want to contribute something constructive there? I already explained my
reasons, constructive responces are fine, "rofl" just sounds like someone
without an answer who has to resort to ridicule to disagree.
--
EU-Draenor:
Balgair - Human Rogue (lvl 60)
Sagart - Undead Priest (lvl 60)
Sgoildubh - Human Mage (lvl 44)
Beag - Dwarf Paladin (lvl 42)
Sealgair - Dwarf Hunter (lvl 41)
pv+ (PV)
2006-10-13 14:30:22 UTC
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Post by Catriona R
Post by Catriona R
where voice communications are in use, as they result in significantly
worse communication.
rofl
Want to contribute something constructive there? I already explained my
reasons, constructive responces are fine, "rofl" just sounds like someone
without an answer who has to resort to ridicule to disagree.
I have to say, it's pretty laughable to say that voice comms causes worse
communication. Maybe that's true for you, but it's been proven NOT to be
true by every game that's ever used it. *
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* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
like corkscrews.
Catriona R
2006-10-13 23:49:24 UTC
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Post by pv+ (PV)
Post by Catriona R
Post by Catriona R
where voice communications are in use, as they result in significantly
worse communication.
rofl
Want to contribute something constructive there? I already explained my
reasons, constructive responces are fine, "rofl" just sounds like someone
without an answer who has to resort to ridicule to disagree.
I have to say, it's pretty laughable to say that voice comms causes worse
communication. Maybe that's true for you, but it's been proven NOT to be
true by every game that's ever used it.
Not laughable at all. In perfect situations it's good of course but in the
real world if just one person is distracted by something (the phone rings,
the other half wants attention for a minute etc), they missed what was
said. And with voice comms you can't just look back a few seconds later and
see what you missed, you get one chance and one chance only. Very
inefficient way of communicating unless everyone has perfect hearing and
perfect concentration. Perhaps that's the case in raiding guilds, but it
isn't with ordinary people.
--
EU-Draenor:
Balgair - Human Rogue (lvl 60)
Sagart - Undead Priest (lvl 60)
Sgoildubh - Human Mage (lvl 44)
Beag - Dwarf Paladin (lvl 42)
Sealgair - Dwarf Hunter (lvl 41)
Vladesch
2006-10-15 05:47:52 UTC
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Post by Catriona R
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:40:45 +0930, "Vladesch"
Post by Catriona R
where voice communications are in use, as they result in significantly
worse communication.
rofl
Want to contribute something constructive there? I already explained my
reasons, constructive responces are fine, "rofl" just sounds like someone
without an answer who has to resort to ridicule to disagree.
--
Sorry but someone who comes in here calling ventrilo the "worlds worst
invention" because your one of the oddballs who cant talk to other people,
then lol is about the best your gonna get.
I might add, not the first stupid post you've made either. I seem to recall
a previos post by you asking strategies for playing a shadow priest, and
when supplied with an answer your reply was that you were playing a priest
because you wnted to heal.
*rolls eyes*
Catriona R
2006-10-15 10:23:10 UTC
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:17:52 +0930, "Vladesch"
Post by Vladesch
Post by Catriona R
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:40:45 +0930, "Vladesch"
Post by Catriona R
where voice communications are in use, as they result in significantly
worse communication.
rofl
Want to contribute something constructive there? I already explained my
reasons, constructive responces are fine, "rofl" just sounds like someone
without an answer who has to resort to ridicule to disagree.
--
Sorry but someone who comes in here calling ventrilo the "worlds worst
invention" because your one of the oddballs who cant talk to other people,
then lol is about the best your gonna get.
I might add, not the first stupid post you've made either. I seem to recall
a previos post by you asking strategies for playing a shadow priest, and
when supplied with an answer your reply was that you were playing a priest
because you wnted to heal.
*rolls eyes*
Oh, so having a different opinion to your majesty makes me stupid? Fair
enough...
--
EU-Draenor:
Balgair - Human Rogue (lvl 60)
Sagart - Undead Priest (lvl 60)
Sgoildubh - Human Mage (lvl 44)
Beag - Dwarf Paladin (lvl 42)
Sealgair - Dwarf Hunter (lvl 41)
Thomas J. Boschloo
2006-10-15 12:48:16 UTC
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Post by Catriona R
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:17:52 +0930, "Vladesch"
[snip]
Post by Catriona R
Post by Vladesch
I might add, not the first stupid post you've made either. I seem to recall
a previos post by you asking strategies for playing a shadow priest, and
when supplied with an answer your reply was that you were playing a priest
because you wnted to heal.
*rolls eyes*
Oh, so having a different opinion to your majesty makes me stupid? Fair
enough...
Face it. Everybody in this group suffers from massive brain failure due
to prolonged exposure to the world of warcraft. At least for us there is
some hope left as we are not in our Tier 2/3 sets yet!

Thomas
--
"Give me what i need, or i take what i want"
Hanin Elias - Wanting a machine
l***@red-dwarf.lan
2006-10-16 00:28:50 UTC
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 14:48:16 +0200, "Thomas J. Boschloo"
Post by Thomas J. Boschloo
Post by Catriona R
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:17:52 +0930, "Vladesch"
[snip]
Post by Catriona R
Post by Vladesch
I might add, not the first stupid post you've made either. I seem to recall
a previos post by you asking strategies for playing a shadow priest, and
when supplied with an answer your reply was that you were playing a priest
because you wnted to heal.
*rolls eyes*
Oh, so having a different opinion to your majesty makes me stupid? Fair
enough...
Face it. Everybody in this group suffers from massive brain failure due
to prolonged exposure to the world of warcraft. At least for us there is
some hope left as we are not in our Tier 2/3 sets yet!
says the healing guru...
Thomas J. Boschloo
2006-10-17 13:22:32 UTC
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Post by l***@red-dwarf.lan
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 14:48:16 +0200, "Thomas J. Boschloo"
Post by Thomas J. Boschloo
Post by Catriona R
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:17:52 +0930, "Vladesch"
[snip]
Post by Catriona R
Post by Vladesch
I might add, not the first stupid post you've made either. I seem to recall
a previos post by you asking strategies for playing a shadow priest, and
when supplied with an answer your reply was that you were playing a priest
because you wnted to heal.
*rolls eyes*
Oh, so having a different opinion to your majesty makes me stupid? Fair
enough...
Face it. Everybody in this group suffers from massive brain failure due
to prolonged exposure to the world of warcraft. At least for us there is
some hope left as we are not in our Tier 2/3 sets yet!
says the healing guru...
Hey, I am not saying I am brain damaged.
Just that you probably are.

Thomas
--
"Give me what i need, or i take what i want"
Hanin Elias - Wanting a machine
l***@red-dwarf.lan
2006-10-17 18:47:16 UTC
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On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:22:32 +0200, "Thomas J. Boschloo"
Post by Thomas J. Boschloo
Post by l***@red-dwarf.lan
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 14:48:16 +0200, "Thomas J. Boschloo"
Post by Thomas J. Boschloo
Post by Catriona R
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:17:52 +0930, "Vladesch"
[snip]
Post by Catriona R
Post by Vladesch
I might add, not the first stupid post you've made either. I seem to recall
a previos post by you asking strategies for playing a shadow priest, and
when supplied with an answer your reply was that you were playing a priest
because you wnted to heal.
*rolls eyes*
Oh, so having a different opinion to your majesty makes me stupid? Fair
enough...
Face it. Everybody in this group suffers from massive brain failure due
to prolonged exposure to the world of warcraft. At least for us there is
some hope left as we are not in our Tier 2/3 sets yet!
says the healing guru...
Hey, I am not saying I am brain damaged.
Just that you probably are.
easy, thomas... you know nothing about me. we, on the other hand, know
all about your bizarre healing theory :)
Thomas J. Boschloo
2006-10-17 18:57:18 UTC
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Post by l***@red-dwarf.lan
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:22:32 +0200, "Thomas J. Boschloo"
Post by Thomas J. Boschloo
Post by l***@red-dwarf.lan
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 14:48:16 +0200, "Thomas J. Boschloo"
Post by Thomas J. Boschloo
Post by Catriona R
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:17:52 +0930, "Vladesch"
[snip]
Post by Catriona R
Post by Vladesch
I might add, not the first stupid post you've made either. I seem to recall
a previos post by you asking strategies for playing a shadow priest, and
when supplied with an answer your reply was that you were playing a priest
because you wnted to heal.
*rolls eyes*
Oh, so having a different opinion to your majesty makes me stupid? Fair
enough...
Face it. Everybody in this group suffers from massive brain failure due
to prolonged exposure to the world of warcraft. At least for us there is
some hope left as we are not in our Tier 2/3 sets yet!
says the healing guru...
Hey, I am not saying I am brain damaged.
Just that you probably are.
easy, thomas... you know nothing about me. we, on the other hand, know
all about your bizarre healing theory :)
And how exactly does this relate to the subject at hand? You brought up
the healing guru stuff, you might as well explain what you meant by it.
And before you ask, I was trying to defuse the developing flamewar
between Vladesch and Catriona R. I have been on usenet long enough to
see how they start and what they will result in. I think neither poster
needs to leave this group in anger. So blame me for that, I am guilty.

Thomas
--
"Give me what i need, or i take what i want"
Hanin Elias - Wanting a machine
Urbin
2006-10-16 06:45:10 UTC
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Post by Vladesch
Post by Catriona R
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:40:45 +0930, "Vladesch"
Post by Catriona R
where voice communications are in use, as they result in significantly
worse communication.
rofl
Want to contribute something constructive there? I already explained my
reasons, constructive responces are fine, "rofl" just sounds like someone
without an answer who has to resort to ridicule to disagree.
Sorry but someone who comes in here calling ventrilo the "worlds worst
invention" because your one of the oddballs who cant talk to other people,
then lol is about the best your gonna get.
So if someone disagrees with you they deserve to be laughed at? Good to
know.
Post by Vladesch
I might add, not the first stupid post you've made either.
I don't think Catriona has *ever* made a stupid post (at least not one that
I have seen). On the opposite, I think she is one of the resident experts on
rogue-matters, has a fairly good grasp of priests and hunters (I can judge
that expertise better, I don't play a rogue), is polite, helpful and writes
correct english sentences. Things many other posters lack!
Post by Vladesch
I seem to recall a previos post by you asking strategies for playing a
shadow priest, and when supplied with an answer your reply was that you
were playing a priest because you wnted to heal.
That's not how I recall that post, but maybe I did not read all of it.

Anyway, in this group I have gotten more out of Catriona's posts than out of
yours. But then I often agree with her, so I guess "all I'm gonna get is
lol".

Cheers
Urbin, wondering
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Sunh (53), Nightelven Priest (PvE) @dunmorogh.de
Juran (24), Nightelven Druid (PvE) @dunmorogh.de
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Catriona R
2006-10-16 09:23:41 UTC
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Post by Urbin
Post by Vladesch
I might add, not the first stupid post you've made either.
I don't think Catriona has *ever* made a stupid post (at least not one that
I have seen). On the opposite, I think she is one of the resident experts on
rogue-matters, has a fairly good grasp of priests and hunters (I can judge
that expertise better, I don't play a rogue), is polite, helpful and writes
correct english sentences. Things many other posters lack!
Thanks, glad to know not everyone thinks my posts are so bad!
Post by Urbin
Post by Vladesch
I seem to recall a previos post by you asking strategies for playing a
shadow priest, and when supplied with an answer your reply was that you
were playing a priest because you wnted to heal.
That's not how I recall that post, but maybe I did not read all of it.
My own recollection was that my query was about playing a *tri-spec*
priest, with emphasis on disc/holy. I have never played shadow, so would
never ask about playing as shadow.

The response he seemed to dislike so much was my pointing out that if I
wanted to deal purely shadow damage I'd have rolled a warlock - I see a
priest as a healer class, therefore whilst I do of course want to be able
to solo (and feel that I do so quite effectively), I prefer to use holy
damage and only limited shadow damage, as to go all shadow is totally out
of character for the role I envisage my priest playing.
--
EU-Draenor:
Balgair - Human Rogue (lvl 60)
Sagart - Undead Priest (lvl 60)
Sgoildubh - Human Mage (lvl 44)
Beag - Dwarf Paladin (lvl 42)
Sealgair - Dwarf Hunter (lvl 41)
j***@hexduxhmp.org
2006-10-16 15:05:07 UTC
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Post by Catriona R
Thanks, glad to know not everyone thinks my posts are so bad!
I like them :)
Post by Catriona R
My own recollection was that my query was about playing a *tri-spec*
priest, with emphasis on disc/holy. I have never played shadow, so would
never ask about playing as shadow.
Speaking of, after a couple of BRD runs yesterday when the combo of my
inexperience w/ group healing and spec were really coming back to bite
me on the ass, I was putting serious thoughts toward doing somehting
similar (although still stay mainly Shadow for offensive ability). I'm
not at all familiar w/ the holy tree though and dunno how deep I'd have
to go to really see an impact. I do think that the Disc talents in
the 2nd or 3rd level for threat reduction sound pretty good though.
Catriona R
2006-10-16 23:54:10 UTC
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Post by Catriona R
My own recollection was that my query was about playing a *tri-spec*
priest, with emphasis on disc/holy. I have never played shadow, so would
never ask about playing as shadow.
Speaking of, after a couple of BRD runs yesterday when the combo of my
inexperience w/ group healing and spec were really coming back to bite
me on the ass, I was putting serious thoughts toward doing somehting
similar (although still stay mainly Shadow for offensive ability). I'm
not at all familiar w/ the holy tree though and dunno how deep I'd have
to go to really see an impact. I do think that the Disc talents in
the 2nd or 3rd level for threat reduction sound pretty good though.
I'm not sure about the holy tree myself; I have talents in it but don't
know which are best, except that the reduced cast time on greater heal is
very nice, as is 70% chance to not be interrupted while casting heals.
There seems a bit of a gap around the middle of the tree where I end up
just picking something at random to let me reach the reduced-mana heals,
but those aren't so crucial anyway; they're nice but probably too far down
unless you want a serious disc/holy build.

If you're wanting to go mostly shadow still, my best recommendations on
talents are lower rank disc - the threat reduction is nice indeed, also
improved power word fortitude is handy for 2 points - some people say it's
not worth much but it's worth 160 health on the lvl 60 buff and will be
worth even more on the lvl 70 one; that can make all the difference. And if
you can spare the points, inner focus is very nice (use on buffs, and
especially on prayer of healing), and if your spirit is a reasonable level
meditation - mine comes to 15 mana per tick now (340 mana selfbuffed, gives
me 100 mana per tick outside the 5 second rule), which I guess makes 37
mana/5 seconds, pretty decent :-) Several ones further up help with mana
conservation too, but those may be out of your reach.

In Holy imp renew if you use renew, and definitely the one to stop
interruption when healing - tbh I'd get that on any build, as it's so
useful to be able to heal yourself when shield is on cooldown. 0.5 sec off
greater heal is good if you can afford the points, everything above that is
probably too expensive to be worth it if you still want to keep shadow;
disc is my tree of choice for talents that go well in any situation.
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j***@hexduxhmp.org
2006-10-17 04:18:16 UTC
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Post by Catriona R
If you're wanting to go mostly shadow still, my best recommendations on
talents are lower rank disc - the threat reduction is nice indeed, also
improved power word fortitude is handy for 2 points - some people say it's
not worth much but it's worth 160 health on the lvl 60 buff and will be
worth even more on the lvl 70 one; that can make all the difference. And if
you can spare the points, inner focus is very nice (use on buffs, and
especially on prayer of healing), and if your spirit is a reasonable level
meditation - mine comes to 15 mana per tick now (340 mana selfbuffed, gives
me 100 mana per tick outside the 5 second rule), which I guess makes 37
mana/5 seconds, pretty decent :-) Several ones further up help with mana
conservation too, but those may be out of your reach.
I fiddled with a talent calculator tonight (although haven't changed yet).
I currently have disc through Inner Fire and some points in meditationbut
nothing in the threat reduction. I've got a point in the shadow talent
that reduces shadow damage threat and a few other talents that I can easily
drop one out of and not notice much. I think I'm just going to switch those
over to the threat reduction in Disc, thatshould help quite a bit I think.

I just couldn't get anything I liked that seemed worth the docking of
shadow talents in holy - keeping in mind that pretty much the only
offensive talent I don't have iether maxed or near maxed is improved mind
blast. The shadow threat reduction seems silly at this point because
my real threat issues are when I'm healing anyways.

(Not that I'm serious, but ...) it would be kinda neat if you could have
2-3 talent profiles ;) Obviously that's a stupid idea, but ... :)
Ian Noble
2006-10-14 11:28:03 UTC
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On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:49:00 +0100, Catriona R
Post by Catriona R
Post by p***@yahoo.co.uk
any comments welcomed
It's the world's worst invention. I hate voice communications with a
passion; I'm a person who can *either* listen to what's being said *or*
concentrate on what I'm doing, not both. Meaning that if I use voice chat I
will screw up repeatedly or not understand most of what's said, and of
course everyone else will assume I did understand everything because I'm
there in the channel with them.
But if I don't use it I'm left out of the loop as the rest of the group is
chatting to each other and completely ignoring me, as they sure as hell
never type anything. I've reached the stage where I refuse to join groups
where voice communications are in use, as they result in significantly
worse communication.
I'm fine with voice, *provided* everyone's on it and it's not being
used in conjunction with the chat channels. I can use one, or the
other, but with both supposedly in use I find myself ignoring one or
the other.

Cheers - Ian
gaf1234567890
2006-10-12 15:42:02 UTC
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Post by p***@yahoo.co.uk
There's a post a few down talking about Headsets. In there the poster
mentions 'Ventrilo'. I checked out the (US) website and it 'seems' as
if you could use this software to talk to other players while in Wow.
Now, I do not know about you, but I have become very frustrated with
tapping out messages in the chat panel while trying to concentrate on
not dieing (esp in an instance playing with other
unfamiliar players). I have been wiped so many times in grouped fights
because there is little or no communication. So this product seems like
a godsend.
Does anyone use it? If so, how do you rate it and also, how do you work
it alongside the
normal sound in Wow - after all, there is only one green audio
socket.....???
any comments welcomed
My guild uses Teamspeak instead, but yeah it's great for Instances.
Other similar "Voice Chat over TCP/IP" programs are Roger Wilco, and
GameComm. The key is that everyone must use the same program. So just
try both and have your friends take a vote.

Or install both Teamspeak and Ventrillo (both free clients ?) and
you'll have both available when you group with pick up groups.
ASKF
2006-10-12 20:08:38 UTC
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Post by gaf1234567890
Post by p***@yahoo.co.uk
There's a post a few down talking about Headsets. In there the poster
mentions 'Ventrilo'. I checked out the (US) website and it 'seems' as
if you could use this software to talk to other players while in Wow.
Now, I do not know about you, but I have become very frustrated with
tapping out messages in the chat panel while trying to concentrate on
not dieing (esp in an instance playing with other
unfamiliar players). I have been wiped so many times in grouped fights
because there is little or no communication. So this product seems like
a godsend.
Does anyone use it? If so, how do you rate it and also, how do you work
it alongside the
normal sound in Wow - after all, there is only one green audio
socket.....???
any comments welcomed
My guild uses Teamspeak instead, but yeah it's great for Instances.
Other similar "Voice Chat over TCP/IP" programs are Roger Wilco, and
GameComm. The key is that everyone must use the same program. So just
try both and have your friends take a vote.
Or install both Teamspeak and Ventrillo (both free clients ?) and
you'll have both available when you group with pick up groups.
Client is free for both, and the server is too fro TeamSpeak.

You might want to try VentrilloMIX, since it can work with all Ventrillo
servers (othervise you might need to have several clients installed),
and it works with TeamSpeak too.
<http://retributionguild.net/downloads/VentriloMIX0.5.exe>
--
Allan Stig Kiilerich Frederiksen
"When you try to change a mans paradigm, you must keep in mind that he
can hear you only through the filter of the paradigm he holds."
-Myron Tribus
Ian Noble
2006-10-14 11:47:05 UTC
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Post by ASKF
Post by gaf1234567890
Or install both Teamspeak and Ventrillo (both free clients ?) and
you'll have both available when you group with pick up groups.
Client is free for both, and the server is too fro TeamSpeak.
There are free server downloads available for both - I could be wrong
but in both cases I believe they're limited in the number of
simultaneous connects they use. I run a Ventrilo server for a group of
friends when the four of us are playing together. The pluses are that
it's trivial to use and doesn't cost anything; the minuses are that,
if I have problems on my machine or with my ISP, the server's down for
everyone,; also I normally switch my machine off when not active, so,
again, the server's not available unless I'm around.

(Whilst you need to search hard for them, there are also free servers
out there.)

Cheers - Ian
pv+ (PV)
2006-10-12 15:42:37 UTC
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Post by p***@yahoo.co.uk
There's a post a few down talking about Headsets. In there the poster
mentions 'Ventrilo'. I checked out the (US) website and it 'seems' as
if you could use this software to talk to other players while in Wow.
Yup, every raiding guild and premade battleground team in the game uses
either it or teamspeak. The only wrinkle is that you have to run a server,
and decent servers cost a bit of money if you don't have a static IP to
serve it from.
Post by p***@yahoo.co.uk
Does anyone use it? If so, how do you rate it and also, how do you work
it alongside the
normal sound in Wow - after all, there is only one green audio
socket.....???
If you have a decent soundcard, your PC should be able to mix the two
soundsources. Some motherboard-based sound controllers do have a problem
with it though - worst case you mute WoW while you have vent running. *
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like corkscrews.
p***@yahoo.com
2006-10-12 19:00:12 UTC
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Post by p***@yahoo.co.uk
There's a post a few down talking about Headsets. In there the poster
mentions 'Ventrilo'. I checked out the (US) website and it 'seems' as
if you could use this software to talk to other players while in Wow.
Yes. But all players who want to talk to must be in the same Vent
server and channel. So the key here is someone must run the Vent
server.
Post by p***@yahoo.co.uk
Does anyone use it? If so, how do you rate it and also, how do you work
it alongside the
normal sound in Wow - after all, there is only one green audio
socket.....???
Pretty much required for any raiding (10+ people). It does make
coordination much easier.
So far, I have never used it in a PUGs only guild stuff.

I had a desktop mic but it worked terribly and had to switch to a
headset with mic.

Also, if you have a G15 keyboard, the beta Vent will display who is
talking on the LCD - very handy when 10+ people are in your raid.
Jimbob
2006-10-12 19:24:13 UTC
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Post by p***@yahoo.com
Also, if you have a G15 keyboard, the beta Vent will display who is
talking on the LCD - very handy when 10+ people are in your raid.
Theres also a program that displays whoever is talking on TS onto the
screen. The name of which passes me by at the moment : /
ASKF
2006-10-12 20:12:51 UTC
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Post by Jimbob
Post by p***@yahoo.com
Also, if you have a G15 keyboard, the beta Vent will display who is
talking on the LCD - very handy when 10+ people are in your raid.
Theres also a program that displays whoever is talking on TS onto the
screen. The name of which passes me by at the moment : /
TSO or TeamSpeak Overlay:
<http://www.teamspeakoverlay.com/>

I sometimes use it, even though I got two monitors, because I often have
a browser vindow overlapping the TeamSpeak client.
--
Allan Stig Kiilerich Frederiksen
"When you try to change a mans paradigm, you must keep in mind that he
can hear you only through the filter of the paradigm he holds."
-Myron Tribus
Devast8or
2006-10-13 07:30:57 UTC
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Post by ASKF
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Post by Jimbob
Post by p***@yahoo.com
Also, if you have a G15 keyboard, the beta Vent will display who is
talking on the LCD - very handy when 10+ people are in your raid.
Theres also a program that displays whoever is talking on TS onto the
screen. The name of which passes me by at the moment : /
<http://www.teamspeakoverlay.com/>
I sometimes use it, even though I got two monitors, because I often have
a browser vindow overlapping the TeamSpeak client.
Is there a solution like this for Ventrilo (except for getting a new
keyboard)? I'm going nuts when I just hear "summon me please" and nothing
else.

Devast8or
Urs Steiner
2006-10-13 09:17:15 UTC
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Hiho
Post by Devast8or
Post by ASKF
<http://www.teamspeakoverlay.com/>
I sometimes use it, even though I got two monitors, because I often have
a browser vindow overlapping the TeamSpeak client.
Is there a solution like this for Ventrilo (except for getting a new
keyboard)? I'm going nuts when I just hear "summon me please" and nothing
else.
jup, create a summoing macro for this:

And a voice spoke unto me: "summon me". And I asked the voice "who art
thou"? And the voice kept silent in embarrassment and so I saved a soul
shard for another summons.

or something.

Urs
--
"That's funny ho-ho. I want funny ha-ha!"
pv+ (PV)
2006-10-13 14:31:30 UTC
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Post by Urs Steiner
And a voice spoke unto me: "summon me". And I asked the voice "who art
thou"? And the voice kept silent in embarrassment and so I saved a soul
shard for another summons.
Oh, I LOVE that. I'm going to make a macro along those lines tonight. *
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like corkscrews.
Devast8or
2006-10-13 15:05:55 UTC
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Post by Urs Steiner
And a voice spoke unto me: "summon me". And I asked the voice "who art
thou"? And the voice kept silent in embarrassment and so I saved a soul
shard for another summons.
or something.
Urs
Hehe, that's a good one. I might make a macro like that. I did, however,
mean can I make Ventrilo write the name of the speaker ingame? :)

Devast8or
Apoptygma
2006-10-14 00:05:21 UTC
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Post by Devast8or
Hehe, that's a good one. I might make a macro like that. I did, however,
mean can I make Ventrilo write the name of the speaker ingame? :)
Devast8or
I too would like some way of seeing who's talking on vent without
having a G15 or a 2nd display.
Jack D
2006-10-16 12:04:47 UTC
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Post by Apoptygma
Post by Devast8or
Hehe, that's a good one. I might make a macro like that. I did, however,
mean can I make Ventrilo write the name of the speaker ingame? :)
Devast8or
I too would like some way of seeing who's talking on vent without
having a G15 or a 2nd display.
This seems to be the one you are after:
http://www.voiceoverlay.info.ms/

Apparently tested with WoW, and works with both teamspeak and ventrilo.
Haven't tested it yet, so I can't give feedback on it, but it seems
worth a shot ;)
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Chasey - Undead Priest L48 - Bloodscalp EU
Ian Noble
2006-10-14 14:35:04 UTC
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On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 09:30:57 +0200, "Devast8or"
Post by Devast8or
Post by ASKF
Jimbob ytrede sig i
Post by Jimbob
Post by p***@yahoo.com
Also, if you have a G15 keyboard, the beta Vent will display who is
talking on the LCD - very handy when 10+ people are in your raid.
Theres also a program that displays whoever is talking on TS onto the
screen. The name of which passes me by at the moment : /
<http://www.teamspeakoverlay.com/>
I sometimes use it, even though I got two monitors, because I often have
a browser vindow overlapping the TeamSpeak client.
Is there a solution like this for Ventrilo (except for getting a new
keyboard)? I'm going nuts when I just hear "summon me please" and nothing
else.
My guild used to run something comparable called "Ventrilo Voice
Overlay"; trying to follow the URL on the guild web site turns up a
pge not found error now, however.

A search turns up the following: http://www.voice-overlay.info.ms/
(which supposedly supports both TS and Venty).

Cheers - Ian
Devast8or
2006-10-15 00:53:19 UTC
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Post by Ian Noble
My guild used to run something comparable called "Ventrilo Voice
Overlay"; trying to follow the URL on the guild web site turns up a
pge not found error now, however.
A search turns up the following: http://www.voice-overlay.info.ms/
(which supposedly supports both TS and Venty).
Thanks. I downloaded it, I'll try it tomorrow.

Devast8or
Enphuego
2006-10-15 02:29:01 UTC
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If you have a USB headset you can do this to keep the game sound on
your speakers and voice sound on your headset.

Disconnect your headset
Start the game
Alt-tab out and plug in your headset
Start Vent or TS
Alt-tab back into the game and the sound is split

I don't know if this is obvious to most people or what but it took me a
min to figure out when I first started using TS.
Vladesch
2006-10-13 06:17:56 UTC
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Post by p***@yahoo.co.uk
There's a post a few down talking about Headsets. In there the poster
mentions 'Ventrilo'. I checked out the (US) website and it 'seems' as
if you could use this software to talk to other players while in Wow.
Now, I do not know about you, but I have become very frustrated with
tapping out messages in the chat panel while trying to concentrate on
not dieing (esp in an instance playing with other
unfamiliar players). I have been wiped so many times in grouped fights
because there is little or no communication. So this product seems like
a godsend.
Does anyone use it? If so, how do you rate it and also, how do you work
it alongside the
normal sound in Wow - after all, there is only one green audio
socket.....???
any comments welcomed
Im in a very high end raidng guild, and we rely totaly on ventrilo.
I just cant see a raid functioning properly having to type everything.
Firstly you simply dont have time, and secondly you need to be looking at
other things on your screen than the chat log.
We require people to at least be able to listen to vent before they can join
our guild.

Anyone who thinks typing things is a superior form of communication in a
group or raid is seriously deluded, and a noob.
j***@hexduxhmp.org
2006-10-13 14:56:10 UTC
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Post by Vladesch
Anyone who thinks typing things is a superior form of communication in a
group or raid is seriously deluded, and a noob.
This is certainly true (coming from a non-Vent/TS user). In pretty
much every online game I've played (MU*s and UO basically) there's been
a *huge* advantage given when I've been able to have instant communication
with the people I'm playing with. One example was a Battletech MUSE, and
2 of my friends would sit in the comp lab right next to me - we rocked
simply because we had much tighter control over our actions than the
others. In UO, I sometimes played on the same server as my roomate,
and once again we were masterful together simply because not only could
we just talk to each other but we could see each other's screens - quite
simply we were able to achieve a level of synchronization that no one
else could really match.
Thomas J. Boschloo
2006-10-14 13:02:30 UTC
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Vladesch schreef:
[snip]
Post by Vladesch
Im in a very high end raidng guild, and we rely totaly on ventrilo.
I just cant see a raid functioning properly having to type everything.
Firstly you simply dont have time, and secondly you need to be looking at
other things on your screen than the chat log.
We require people to at least be able to listen to vent before they can join
our guild.
Anyone who thinks typing things is a superior form of communication in a
group or raid is seriously deluded, and a noob.
As a noob to a very high end raider .. How do you get (drunk?) people to
shut up in a 40 man high end raid? Only the class leaders have voice
privileges right?

And what if the vent server lags or someone loses his connection to it?

And don't you agree those markers (apart from hunters mark) you have
these days are far superior to to any other kind of communication
(typing or voice). What if you could highlight certain mobs (or arrows
towards a place of danger) no matter what your function in the raid was?

You can't expect to spot all dangers first on your own.

And when out of combat you don't really need vent unless you are in a
great hurry (but why are you playing the game then I ask?)

How about you divide loot using vent? I am not saying vent is useless,
but it is not optimal for every situation no matter how far up the WoW
evolutionary tree-line you have gotten.

Just curious,
Thomas
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"Give me what i need, or i take what i want"
Hanin Elias - Wanting a machine
ASKF
2006-10-14 21:28:34 UTC
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Post by Thomas J. Boschloo
[snip]
Post by Vladesch
Im in a very high end raidng guild, and we rely totaly on ventrilo.
I just cant see a raid functioning properly having to type everything.
Firstly you simply dont have time, and secondly you need to be looking at
other things on your screen than the chat log.
We require people to at least be able to listen to vent before they can join
our guild.
Anyone who thinks typing things is a superior form of communication in a
group or raid is seriously deluded, and a noob.
As a noob to a very high end raider .. How do you get (drunk?) people to
shut up in a 40 man high end raid? Only the class leaders have voice
privileges right?
No, but they're the only ones expected to talk during raids, different
guilds have different rules about this.
Post by Thomas J. Boschloo
And what if the vent server lags or someone loses his connection to it?
Haven't tried server-lag at neither Vent nor TS, I have however tried
that a persons client lagged, but he lagged in the game too, because of
an overloaded connection.

When someone loses voice connection, they usually disconnect from the
game too, and that's a far worse problem.
Post by Thomas J. Boschloo
And don't you agree those markers (apart from hunters mark) you have
these days are far superior to to any other kind of communication
(typing or voice). What if you could highlight certain mobs (or arrows
towards a place of danger) no matter what your function in the raid was?
Those markers are really great, and it doesn't matter wether or not you
have voice comm, however it's much faster to assign people to the tasks
with voice than by typing, especially if you want to make changes during
a battle.
Post by Thomas J. Boschloo
You can't expect to spot all dangers first on your own.
True, and during a battle it's much faster for the one who spots the
danger to say so, because they have to stop casting or whatever special
attacks they're using while typing. When using voice comm, they can keep
fighting while talking.
Post by Thomas J. Boschloo
And when out of combat you don't really need vent unless you are in a
great hurry (but why are you playing the game then I ask?)
LOL, you're always in a hurry to get in combat again.
Post by Thomas J. Boschloo
How about you divide loot using vent? I am not saying vent is useless,
but it is not optimal for every situation no matter how far up the WoW
evolutionary tree-line you have gotten.
Not everything is done with voice comm, just because you have it.
Normally guilds are using a combination of text and voice, and picks the
one that's best for the single task at hand.

You don't NEED voice comm, but it makes instance runs much faster,
simply because it's faster to talk than to type, and you can talk and
listen while in combat.

When in combat it's short commands, warnings or statements that are
used, because people are concentrating on the battle and it's
distracting to listen to anything else. People don't usually pay much
attention to the chat when in combat, so it's a very ineffective
communication method.
--
Allan Stig Kiilerich Frederiksen
"When you try to change a mans paradigm, you must keep in mind that he
can hear you only through the filter of the paradigm he holds."
-Myron Tribus
Thomas J. Boschloo
2006-10-15 12:25:06 UTC
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ASKF schreef:
[snip]
Post by ASKF
You don't NEED voice comm, but it makes instance runs much faster,
simply because it's faster to talk than to type, and you can talk and
listen while in combat.
There is another question I have been dying to ask but I don't want to
start a new thread over it.

How about music? I like to listen to music. I did when I did my homework
at secondary school. I still do when playing games. But from the very
first moment I saw WoW on a friend's computer I hated the music (except
in Teldrassil, Moonglade and Ashenvale maybe YMMV).

I have tried turning off the ingame music and playing cd's with winamp
or wmp, but since I RP a lot that quite influenced the style of my
character.

You don't go being peaceful and patient when you are listening to Alec
Empire. Alec Empire gets my adrenalin up and I become a wholly different
(but highly focused) person. http://www.myspace.com/alecempire6666 [PLUG]

With TS or Vent you have the additional problem of other people being
able to listen to the music you have on.

Any ideas on how to deal with this in RP and/or TS?
Thomas
--
"Give me what i need, or i take what i want"
Hanin Elias - Wanting a machine
j***@hexduxhmp.org
2006-10-16 14:52:35 UTC
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Post by Thomas J. Boschloo
With TS or Vent you have the additional problem of other people being
able to listen to the music you have on.
Or as I pointed out to my friend last night, I'd hear his wife yelling
at him to get off the computer ;)
Vladesch
2006-10-15 06:03:48 UTC
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Post by Thomas J. Boschloo
[snip]
Post by Vladesch
Im in a very high end raidng guild, and we rely totaly on ventrilo.
I just cant see a raid functioning properly having to type everything.
Firstly you simply dont have time, and secondly you need to be looking at
other things on your screen than the chat log.
We require people to at least be able to listen to vent before they can join
our guild.
Anyone who thinks typing things is a superior form of communication in a
group or raid is seriously deluded, and a noob.
As a noob to a very high end raider .. How do you get (drunk?) people to
shut up in a 40 man high end raid? Only the class leaders have voice
privileges right?
We mute them, or just tell them to shut it )
Post by Thomas J. Boschloo
And what if the vent server lags or someone loses his connection to it?
Then we are screwed, and yes we have wiped due to vent issues.
Post by Thomas J. Boschloo
And don't you agree those markers (apart from hunters mark) you have
these days are far superior to to any other kind of communication
Those marks are great. The puller announces "soandso on square, soandso on
diamond, soandso on skull" etc.
Post by Thomas J. Boschloo
(typing or voice). What if you could highlight certain mobs (or arrows
towards a place of danger) no matter what your function in the raid was?
Easier to say over vent than trying to activate some symbol via
keyboard/mouse, especially when im tyring to cast spells and move around at
the same time, plus spoken language is far more flexible than some system of
symbols, which people may not even see (eg cthun fight)
Post by Thomas J. Boschloo
You can't expect to spot all dangers first on your own.
And when out of combat you don't really need vent unless you are in a
great hurry (but why are you playing the game then I ask?)
How about you divide loot using vent? I am not saying vent is useless,
Usually our guildmaster does loot via typing. When im running the raid I do
it by vent. Either works.
Post by Thomas J. Boschloo
but it is not optimal for every situation no matter how far up the WoW
evolutionary tree-line you have gotten.
Having it is optimal for almost all our fights. A couple of the easier ones
we could probably do ok without it.
Simon Nejmann
2006-10-15 10:57:16 UTC
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:33:48 +0930, "Vladesch"
Post by Vladesch
Post by Thomas J. Boschloo
And don't you agree those markers (apart from hunters mark) you have
these days are far superior to to any other kind of communication
Those marks are great. The puller announces "soandso on square, soandso on
diamond, soandso on skull" etc.
Post by Thomas J. Boschloo
(typing or voice). What if you could highlight certain mobs (or arrows
towards a place of danger) no matter what your function in the raid was?
Easier to say over vent than trying to activate some symbol via
keyboard/mouse, especially when im tyring to cast spells and move around at
the same time, plus spoken language is far more flexible than some system of
symbols, which people may not even see (eg cthun fight)
I find that pre-battle assignments are best in writing - you have the
time to do so, and people can read it again if they need to reconfirm.
This also gives you time to look at it and check if the leader made a
brain fart, eg. assigning the same person two tasks and leaving
another out.

In combat commands are best in voice chat though - it is just soo much
faster.
Post by Vladesch
Usually our guildmaster does loot via typing. When im running the raid I do
it by vent. Either works.
I prefer it over writing as you have the time to do so, and seeing the
words written on your screen is less ambigous and fleeting than a
quick remark over voice chat.
But I don't see any reason why either couldn't work. :)
Post by Vladesch
Post by Thomas J. Boschloo
but it is not optimal for every situation no matter how far up the WoW
evolutionary tree-line you have gotten.
Having it is optimal for almost all our fights. A couple of the easier ones
we could probably do ok without it.
I agree - you can do much without voice chat, but it becomes easier
with it.
--
Regards
Simon Nejmann
k***@gmx.de
2006-10-22 08:37:25 UTC
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Post by Vladesch
Anyone who thinks typing things is a superior form of communication in a
group or raid is seriously deluded, and a noob.
Maybe the noobs are those who are incapable of typing more than "rofl",
"lol", "imba","n00b" with a decent speed. And not sure what raid you
are in, 90% of the necessary communication is pre- or post-battle, so
there is plenty of time. That is, if your raid consists of people who
have some intelligence and eyes and know what their job is in a battle.
If 38 people are too dumb to breathe without explicit order, then yes,
I would use voice comm, too.

Nick Vargish
2006-10-17 14:17:47 UTC
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I both love and hate voice comms in WoW.

Hate:

I'm a known toonvestite, all my Alliance characters are female. I
myself am male with a rather unfeminine voice. When I first started
playing WoW I never explicitly stated my own gender, and referred to
my wife as "my spouse". I finally told my guildmates that I was a guy
when some of them starting saying things like, "Why are all the cool
gamer chicks married?" in private tells. It took a while to convince
some of them that I was actually male, until we started using
Vent. I'm still known as "Ellen" to most of the people I know in WoW,
which amuses me no end. We have several female characters in my
current guild with deep masculine voices, so at least it's something
that people are getting used to.

I don't like talking on the telephone much -- it's useful for
transmitting information, but I don't consider talking on the phone
for hours a social activity. My current guild is not so bad, but I had
been in one where about half the people would be on Vent all the time,
just chatting and being social. This made the people who where not on
Vent except in raids feel like they were being left out.

I'm also convinced that I'm much funnier in text than in audio...

Love:

It makes raids go much more smoothly. It's a lot of work for the raid
leader to type a complex boss strategy into a chat box, especially for
the third or fourth time.

It saves lives. Saying, "Mary has aggro!" is something I can do while
running, shielding, or fearing. Having to pull up a chat box, type in
"AGGRO" and wait for someone to read and react to it costs valuable
seconds, during which I'm a cloth-wrapped burrito for some angry mob.

It saves lives. "Mary needs innervate" is much faster to say than to
type, and the sooner I can start healing again, the greater the raid's
chances of success.

The sounds of people laughing and cheering after downing a
particularly tough boss is amazingly satisfying. That's something that
can't be replicated with /cheer and "PWNZRD!"

So there's good and bad to voice comms, IMO. The practical benefits
far outweigh the negatives for me, when it comes to raids (and premade
BG groups, though I've only done one battle in WSG with Vent it makes
a huge difference).

Nick

Moonrunner: Ellenfeiss (Human Warlock, 60) Aynrand (Night Elf Rogue, 60)
Maryprankstr (Human Priest, 60) Jackiebrown (Dwarf Warrior, 57)
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j***@hexduxhmp.org
2006-10-17 15:04:05 UTC
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Post by Nick Vargish
some of them that I was actually male, until we started using
Vent. I'm still known as "Ellen" to most of the people I know in WoW,
Heh, yeah - I've always referred to such folks by the char name but
then (when talkign OOCly) also refer to them as "he/him/etc". An
interesting one was a married couple I knew from a previous game,
she played a male and he played a female. They would have small
gatherings for folks in the general vicinity that they knew in game
and it was always odd referring to him by a female name and vice
versa.

Still, I think people who have difficulties dealing w/ cross gender
chars are silly
Thomas J. Boschloo
2006-10-17 15:23:46 UTC
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Post by j***@hexduxhmp.org
Post by Nick Vargish
some of them that I was actually male, until we started using
Vent. I'm still known as "Ellen" to most of the people I know in WoW,
Heh, yeah - I've always referred to such folks by the char name but
then (when talkign OOCly) also refer to them as "he/him/etc". An
interesting one was a married couple I knew from a previous game,
she played a male and he played a female. They would have small
gatherings for folks in the general vicinity that they knew in game
and it was always odd referring to him by a female name and vice
versa.
Still, I think people who have difficulties dealing w/ cross gender
chars are silly
Do chars even have a gender? I have not seen any proof of it so far.
Sure, they get married, but that proofs nothing these days. I want to
see the offspring they produce! (all hybrid classes I figure)

Thomas
--
"Give me what i need, or i take what i want"
Hanin Elias - Wanting a machine
Nikolas Landauer
2006-10-17 18:52:45 UTC
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Post by Thomas J. Boschloo
Do chars even have a gender? I have not seen any
proof of it so far. Sure, they get married, but that
proofs nothing these days. I want to see the
offspring they produce! (all hybrid classes I figure)
Go to an RP server. You'll see all the offspring you want to, and
many, many more you don't.

<grumble>
Stupid freaking night elf/human crossbreeds everywhere, and everyone's
got demonic or draconic or angelic or noble or fish or newt blood or
something stupid like that...
</grumble>

That said, I'm even tolerating a high elf/human crossbreed in my Guild,
because he's a much better roleplayer and Guild member than some of the
more lore-friendly characters, and one of my officers is actually doing
the "related to Edwin VanCleef" thing better than anyone else I've
seen. The fact that he doesn't actually *mention* it probably helps.
--
Nik
Thomas J. Boschloo
2006-10-17 19:04:31 UTC
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Post by Nikolas Landauer
Post by Thomas J. Boschloo
Do chars even have a gender? I have not seen any
proof of it so far. Sure, they get married, but that
proofs nothing these days. I want to see the
offspring they produce! (all hybrid classes I figure)
Go to an RP server. You'll see all the offspring you want to, and
many, many more you don't.
<grumble>
Stupid freaking night elf/human crossbreeds everywhere, and everyone's
got demonic or draconic or angelic or noble or fish or newt blood or
something stupid like that...
</grumble>
That said, I'm even tolerating a high elf/human crossbreed in my Guild,
because he's a much better roleplayer and Guild member than some of the
more lore-friendly characters, and one of my officers is actually doing
the "related to Edwin VanCleef" thing better than anyone else I've
seen. The fact that he doesn't actually *mention* it probably helps.
Maybe I need to RP more. The way I see it every player is orphaned in
WoW. Much less I see is talk about who their parents are (who wants to
be the love child of some other players???? I sure as hell do not ;-)

I had a troll rogue who was raised by Taurens, but I never got to fully
developing her story. I did all the Tauren quests in Red Cloud Mesa and
Mulgore though. And she believed in the Earth Mother and knew nothing
about Trolls.

Thomas
--
"Give me what i need, or i take what i want"
Hanin Elias - Wanting a machine
Nikolas Landauer
2006-10-18 04:53:48 UTC
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Post by Thomas J. Boschloo
Maybe I need to RP more. The way I see it every player
is orphaned in WoW. Much less I see is talk about who
their parents are (who wants to be the love child of
some other players???? I sure as hell do not ;-)
It depends on the players and the characters. One of the first things
my wife and I do is figure out what's going on with our families, where
they are, which of them are alive, influential, etc. Here's a few of
my and my wife's characters:

(me) Wraien, night elf hunter. Wraien is unique among night elves (or
so it seems). He's not related to Tyrande, or Illidan, or Malfurion,
or Staghelm... His parents were (and still are) quiet, peasant hunters
and trappers who lived their entire lives until the Battle of Hyjal in
northern Darkshore, and were displaced after the destruction of
Nordrassil. They're now quietly living in one of the (fictional)
villages at the base of Teldrassil, waiting for adventurers to clear
the naga from the Mathystra Ruins near their old home. Wraien became
curious about the Alliance, and decided to see what they're like. This
means he has absolutely no emotional or political investment in the
Alliance as a whole, and no overt objection to the Horde in general.
Wraien's life was almost completely and utterly unaffected by the wars,
so he has no grudges against anyone in particular. (I got so tired of
seeing all of these people who had their families killed by orcs...
Seriously, if every one of them had lost families to orcs, there
wouldn't *be* any more NPCs left.)

(me) Shrike, night elf warrior. Shrike is one of the oldest Kaldorei
currently living, but she doesn't like talking about it much. Unlike
most of the other ancients still alive, though, Shrike's position was
nothing more than a lowly Sentinel for many thousands of years. A
scandal she *also* doesn't like to talk about resulted in her expulsion
from the Sentinels, and several hundred years of wandering until the
Third War. After the War, she quietly enlisted as an adventurer under
an assumed name ("Shrike"), and refreshed her training, then went out
into Azeroth with her own goals in mind, independent of the Alliance or
the Horde. She's now gathered the Malakim about her, a somewhat ragtag
band of mostly-sane altruistic mercenaries, and she's starting to make
a name for the Malakim among the Alliance-aligned adventurers. Due to
Shrike's age and exile, her parents' status is unknown.

(my wife) Fidelity, human warlock. Fidelity is a daughter of
privilege. Pious sol Ironfaith, one of the major financial
contributors to the Cathedral of the Light in Stormwind City (and its
rebuilding) and his large family can generally get almost anything done
in Stormwind, provided they can avoid interfering with the governing
bodies. However, Fidelity, being a bit of a black sheep already, has
dabbled in the Shadow arts, finding solace from her political and
manipulative family in the company of amoral and directly-malicious
demons. Her father, angry at this behavior, paid a rather large sum of
money to the mercenary company known as Malakim, led by one Shrike, to
keep Fidelity safe while she "gets this stupid phase out of her
system". Unbeknownst to him, Shrike plans to win Fidelity's trust and
use her arts for the good of all Azeroth, while freeing Fidelity from
the social bonds placed on her by her family's position.

(me) Duskwren, night elf druid. Silatiar Duskwren is a quiet,
unassuming night elf druid who offers prayers and homage to Elune much
out of proportion to most Cenarius-worshipping druids. Often referring
to himself as the "Talon of Elune", Duskwren's past is unclear, except
that he has an unnatural fondness for birds of all kinds, and his face
becomes troubled and morose whenever the demigoddess Aviana is
mentioned.

So, of four characters off the top of my head, two were immortal and
were born many thousands of years ago, making parents somewhat moot...
The other two of whom have still-living parents that they may interact
with or not, as events unfold. Wraien's and Fidelity's parents are all
out-of-game NPCs, referenced only by mention in-game while roleplaying,
or used in forum-based play-by-post roleplaying or storytelling.

I've got somewhat less-structured stories for several other characters,
as does my wife (she's got detailed ones for some that I can't remember
at the moment). But the family and parents are one of the first things
we think about, usually.
--
Nik
Thomas J. Boschloo
2006-10-18 12:32:14 UTC
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Post by Nikolas Landauer
Post by Thomas J. Boschloo
Maybe I need to RP more. The way I see it every player
is orphaned in WoW. Much less I see is talk about who
their parents are (who wants to be the love child of
some other players???? I sure as hell do not ;-)
[snip interesting story lines for Fidelity, Duskwren, Shrike and Wraien]
Post by Nikolas Landauer
I've got somewhat less-structured stories for several other characters,
as does my wife (she's got detailed ones for some that I can't remember
at the moment). But the family and parents are one of the first things
we think about, usually.
Characters who are children of (living, dead or unknown) NPCs. Ok. I
have talked to NPCs that I thought would help me and I thought it was
kind of boring because they didn't say anything back. I don't know the
Warcraft universe that well and was never good at history classes.

I wanted to say that characters have no gender thus there is no cross
gender issue. If two players have a child this would be a very rare
occurrence. I have been someones child for most of my younger years and
I don't wish to RP or repeat it.

I make up my character as I go along, makes it easier to remember. This
means I am not prepared for every event, but I will find my way out of
it. If someone asked my troll rogue Kiloo about my parents I would say
"Want to meet them?" and take them to Red Cloud Mesa, giving me time to
think up a story. "Oh, seems they aren't at home". If the talking gets
more personal I will talk about my real parents and take them to Durotar
because my biological parents should life there. Kiloo has never met
them though and she has only recently entered 'the big world' outside
Red Cloud Mesa.

For my other characters I don't really have a story line about parents.
Diso (priestess) has her roots in Elwyn Forest just like anyone else.
She spend a lot of time in the library of Northshire Abbey learning
about other cultures (which is where my experience as a horde player
comes in handy). But Diso is the kind of girl that will listen to you
and then lose track of the conversation (and get distracted in instances
by stupid things to add to that; "Diso, are you coming??!" "WHAT!" "Oh,
yeah, sure ..").

With my first character I never thought about RPing and goofed up many
times starting in bloodhoof village.

But my claim is that characters are asexual beings without any
reproductive capabilities or means. I have seen couples kissing in
Oggrimar, but you can't have sex with other characters (which would also
be against the charter I figure). So the whole argument from nonRPers
that you must be gay or lesbian (how stupid) to play a character of a
different gender than your RL gender is moot. On teamspeak even moreso.
Gender doesn't matter in WoW and shouldn't matter. Nobody is gay or
straight for preferring to play a certain gender. And nobody is fooling
anyone else by not telling their RL gender or not ever reacting OOC
about it.

Sure, you can fall in love with a certain character (I know I did this
summer). But I could just as easily have fallen in love with a female
blood-elf (who I think are cute) as a male human (who I think are too
beefed up).

I think that if you did research there would be no correlation between
character and player gender at all!

Nice story lines btw,
Thomas
--
Pamala Anderson: "My breasts are not big. It is just they way I present
them"
Nikolas Landauer
2006-10-18 15:12:42 UTC
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Post by Thomas J. Boschloo
But my claim is that characters are asexual beings
without any reproductive capabilities or means. I
have seen couples kissing in Oggrimar, but you
can't have sex with other characters (which would
also be against the charter I figure).
It depends how you view custom emotes. In general, we tend to use
custom emotes to get around limitations in the emote system or the game
mechanics. Beyond that, we'll just assume that reasonable things will
occur, regardless of game mechanics, and often roleplay those through
forum storytelling or play-by-post.

That said, it's unreasonable to have a character be a child of two
other PCs who have met in-game, just due to the timelines involved. I
actually very mildly rebuked a pair of members in my Guild (a human
paladin and a night elf rogue) for having two children as PCs in the
Guild, just because of the large number of impossibilities and
improbabilities involved.
Post by Thomas J. Boschloo
I think that if you did research there would be no
correlation between character and player gender
at all!
From informal polls I've seen, the frequencies tend to be (*very*
ballparky):

45% male playing male
35% male playing female
15% female playing female
5% female playing male

I think the main problem occurs when people forget to separate player
from character. For instance, my current main, Shrike, is female,
while I am male. However, I also play male characters (Wraien and
Duskwren, for instance). Just looking at my current Alliance-side
characters on only one server, I've got: female mostly-gay bisexual
(Shrike), male straight (Wraien, Duskwren), and female straight
(Mallissia). I don't happen to have any male gay characters, but I've
got nothing against them, either. One of my officers is a mostly-gay
bisexual man OOC, who has a straight male character who just got
married, a flamingly-gay male character, a straight female character,
and a gay female character. Each character is faithful to their
concept and preferences, regardless of the player's preferences (though
he has a bad habit of being overly nice in-character to a bisexual
female Guildmate played by an extremely attractive male player).
Post by Thomas J. Boschloo
Nice story lines btw,
Thanks! I think Fidelity's is the most interesting, and that's mostly
my wife's doing. She had a somewhat different Fidelity on our old
server, and I played her sister, Modesty... But when we moved servers,
we had both characters "die". We then recreated them both as Forsaken,
and are enjoying roleplaying their loss of sanity and, well, life, and
their resultant anger and hatred. This version of Modesty will
probably be my first unequivocal team-jersey PvP character, too (she
hates basically everything except her sister).
--
Nik
Thomas J. Boschloo
2006-10-21 13:17:01 UTC
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Post by Nikolas Landauer
Post by Thomas J. Boschloo
But my claim is that characters are asexual beings
without any reproductive capabilities or means. I
have seen couples kissing in Oggrimar, but you
can't have sex with other characters (which would
also be against the charter I figure).
It depends how you view custom emotes. In general, we tend to use
custom emotes to get around limitations in the emote system or the game
mechanics. Beyond that, we'll just assume that reasonable things will
occur, regardless of game mechanics, and often roleplay those through
forum storytelling or play-by-post.
Hehe, my human priest had a thing for Taurens going on! Never resulted
into anything (because you don't meet Taurens that often as an alliance
chick) but emoting sex would have been fun :-)

Diso makes some strange gestures at you.
You make some strange gestures at Diso.

lol!
Post by Nikolas Landauer
That said, it's unreasonable to have a character be a child of two
other PCs who have met in-game, just due to the timelines involved. I
actually very mildly rebuked a pair of members in my Guild (a human
paladin and a night elf rogue) for having two children as PCs in the
Guild, just because of the large number of impossibilities and
improbabilities involved.
Which makes it a greater challenge! But it would be too strange for me.
I have two parents and I will never have any other parents. RL or IC.
Maybe if both my parents started playing WoW, but that will likely never
happen because they even have problems with fully grasping the concept
of e-mail :-)
Post by Nikolas Landauer
Post by Thomas J. Boschloo
I think that if you did research there would be no
correlation between character and player gender
at all!
From informal polls I've seen, the frequencies tend to be (*very*
45% male playing male
35% male playing female
15% female playing female
5% female playing male
I think the main problem occurs when people forget to separate player
from character. For instance, my current main, Shrike, is female,
while I am male. However, I also play male characters (Wraien and
Duskwren, for instance). Just looking at my current Alliance-side
characters on only one server, I've got: female mostly-gay bisexual
(Shrike), male straight (Wraien, Duskwren), and female straight
(Mallissia). I don't happen to have any male gay characters, but I've
got nothing against them, either. One of my officers is a mostly-gay
bisexual man OOC, who has a straight male character who just got
married, a flamingly-gay male character, a straight female character,
and a gay female character. Each character is faithful to their
concept and preferences, regardless of the player's preferences (though
he has a bad habit of being overly nice in-character to a bisexual
female Guildmate played by an extremely attractive male player).
Hmm, a lesbian charcter. I think Diso is just that. She likes females
but never tells them. And she will use her 'charms' on guys to get them
to protect her or take her side in issues :-)

I kind of prefer playing females. They can get away with more (like the
things I posted in this group that upset almost half of the posters
here, Diso would have gotten away with that given there are enough males
in the party). I *love* that about females. You can beat a guy up and
arrogantly say "I beat you up, so what? You should learn to fight better".

Try that as a guy :-)
Post by Nikolas Landauer
Post by Thomas J. Boschloo
Nice story lines btw,
Thanks! I think Fidelity's is the most interesting, and that's mostly
my wife's doing. She had a somewhat different Fidelity on our old
server, and I played her sister, Modesty... But when we moved servers,
we had both characters "die". We then recreated them both as Forsaken,
and are enjoying roleplaying their loss of sanity and, well, life, and
their resultant anger and hatred. This version of Modesty will
probably be my first unequivocal team-jersey PvP character, too (she
hates basically everything except her sister).
That is simply brilliant! Dying and coming back as undead.

My next character will be an undead. I once met an undead in Ashenvale
who I told how much I liked the surroundings (as a tauren herbalist
druid). She said it was too alive. Things crawling in her and stuff. I
still love that remark :-)

hi,
Thomas
--
"Give me what i need, or i take what i want"
Hanin Elias - Wanting a machine
pv+ (PV)
2006-10-17 19:21:05 UTC
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Post by Nikolas Landauer
<grumble>
Stupid freaking night elf/human crossbreeds everywhere, and everyone's
got demonic or draconic or angelic or noble or fish or newt blood or
something stupid like that...
</grumble>
What you said. I finally dumped flagRSP because I got sick of all the
'bastard son of Illidan' crap. Even if this WASN'T a lame roleplay, how are
you supposed to be able to tell that by looking at them? Do they wear a
sign? *
--
* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
like corkscrews.
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