odd whisper in chat

[Peter T.]

Got this whisper in the chat after an epic BG. Some shaman was quite
toxic and moaned at everybody because we were on our toes and ally
outplayed us in every aspect. The only thing I wrote was telling him to
chill, but he went on with his foul talk. I decided to put him on
ignore. 10-15 secs before the bg ended I suggested reporting him afk.
Boom. He got a well-deserved 15 min deserter buff and everybody laughed. :)

A few mins later:

[12:27:13] [3] Changed Channel: [3. LocalDefense - Zuldazar]
[12:27:13] You have joined the queue for Random Epic Battleground.
[12:27:18] You have joined the queue for Random Battleground.
[12:28:17] [W From] [Rúdé]: Reported for unmature behavior and toxcity
towards another player here is a screenshoot that is being sent into a
game master, it will most likely take an hour or two before they take
action [https://imgur.com/gallery/f01UnVv]
[12:28:39] [W From] [Rúdé]: Next time dont be rude or crude hopefully
you a week bann will learn you how to behave in the community base.
[12:29:30] [W From] [Rúdé]: I will also send a screenshoot of your
behavior to your <GM> letting him know how you behave in Battlegrounds
as for your punishment is up to him and the Forums are notfied by your name.
[12:29:44] [W From] [Rúdé]: Have a good day
[12:29:45] [W To] [Rúdé]: who are you?
[12:29:45] Rúdé-Draenor is ignoring you.
[12:30:05] [1:Rúdé]: Level 1 Undead Warlock - Deathknel

lol

And he even posted a wrong screenshot. The lvl 1 char was deleted right
after he logged. :)

[Lewis]

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[Peter T.]

Post by Lewis
I got someone banned yesterday for cursing in trade chat.

:D

Post by Lewis
Bu that';s not why OI reported him, I reported him for being a jackass.
His cursing was just the guarantee he'd get ban-hammered.
Felt good.

Same.

Post by Lewis

Post by Peter T.
action [https://imgur.com/gallery/f01UnVv]

I assume he typoed, as nothing from that user looks WOW related.

Yes. Probably a wrong ctrl+c.

[John Gordon]

Post by Peter T.
10-15 secs before the bg ended I suggested reporting him afk.

It does seem rude to report someone AFK when they actually weren't.

[Peter T.]

Post by John Gordon

Post by Peter T.
10-15 secs before the bg ended I suggested reporting him afk.

It does seem rude to report someone AFK when they actually weren't.

Indeed. But in the big picture; no. He definitely deserved a break.

[Catriona R]

Post by Peter T.

Post by John Gordon

Post by Peter T.
10-15 secs before the bg ended I suggested reporting him afk.

It does seem rude to report someone AFK when they actually weren't.

Indeed. But in the big picture; no. He definitely deserved a break.

Sounds like one of those BG situations where people are more fighting
their own team than the opposition lol, one of the reasons I don't
bother with PVP!

I wouldn't have done what you did, deserved or not, as if a human GM
looks at it you can indeed get a slap on the wrist for abusing the
votekick system (although I hear enough stories of groups abusing
report and not being punished to suspect not a lot would actually
happen), it's not what it was intended for so you put yourself in the
wrong there, but sounds like he was a moron so eh, typical PVP,
everyone butting heads with everyone else.

[Peter T.]

Post by Catriona R

Post by Peter T.
Indeed. But in the big picture; no. He definitely deserved a break.

Sounds like one of those BG situations where people are more fighting
their own team than the opposition lol, one of the reasons I don't
bother with PVP!
I wouldn't have done what you did, deserved or not, as if a human GM
looks at it you can indeed get a slap on the wrist for abusing the
votekick system (although I hear enough stories of groups abusing
report and not being punished to suspect not a lot would actually
happen), it's not what it was intended for so you put yourself in the
wrong there, but sounds like he was a moron so eh, typical PVP,
everyone butting heads with everyone else.

If someone breaks a rule in a pugged normal/heroic raid - let's say due
to language - that person will be booted. Nobody will have a problem
with that.
In this case this person was so toxic from start I could have cutted
through all the negativity it brang. The only solution is to report
this person afk. You can't immobolize him with reporting him for
language, cheating or whatever. The negativity such person brings can
demoralize a whole PvP raid believe it or not.
The only difference here is primitive democracy somehow. Let's say 10
peeps reports him afk while the real cause is language. In a simple
raid a single raidleader can kick him.

In this case the player was booted less than 5 secs after I suggested
that step. I guess many players already had reported him afk as this is
the only solution.

[Peter T.]

Post by Peter T.
In this case the player was booted less than 5 secs after I suggested
that step.  I guess many players already had reported him afk as this is
the only solution.

I explained myself in some pretty short sentences there. But I have
played somhwere between 2000 and 4000 BGs until now, and I rarely
recommend this. Normally I just use /ignore. But a player like this
can demoralize a PvP raid like no other. And report for language should
boot a player too once getting enough votes for that just like report
for afk imho.

[Peter T.]

I explained myself in some pretty short sentences there.  But I have
played somhwere between 2000 and 4000 BGs until now, and I rarely
recommend this.

Recommend report for afk ofc.

[Catriona R]

Post by Peter T.

Post by Catriona R

Post by Peter T.
Indeed. But in the big picture; no. He definitely deserved a break.

Sounds like one of those BG situations where people are more fighting
their own team than the opposition lol, one of the reasons I don't
bother with PVP!
I wouldn't have done what you did, deserved or not, as if a human GM
looks at it you can indeed get a slap on the wrist for abusing the
votekick system (although I hear enough stories of groups abusing
report and not being punished to suspect not a lot would actually
happen), it's not what it was intended for so you put yourself in the
wrong there, but sounds like he was a moron so eh, typical PVP,
everyone butting heads with everyone else.

If someone breaks a rule in a pugged normal/heroic raid - let's say due
to language - that person will be booted. Nobody will have a problem
with that.
In this case this person was so toxic from start I could have cutted
through all the negativity it brang. The only solution is to report
this person afk. You can't immobolize him with reporting him for
language, cheating or whatever. The negativity such person brings can
demoralize a whole PvP raid believe it or not.
The only difference here is primitive democracy somehow. Let's say 10
peeps reports him afk while the real cause is language. In a simple
raid a single raidleader can kick him.
In this case the player was booted less than 5 secs after I suggested
that step. I guess many players already had reported him afk as this is
the only solution.

I don't disagree with the reporting, it is indeed the only way to
punish these people, whether it's technically the right way to use the
system or not; I more meant the asking others to do so, that's what
could (if a GM ever bothers to look at it) cause trouble for you. Or
indeed drawing his attention to you by announcing it; some people are
petty enough to find ways to get their friends to mass report you in
revenge.

It would be nice if Blizz added a report toxicity button like I think
they've done in Overwatch, that'd be a lot better than us having to
use inappropriate options for some means of policing things. Could be
a catchall where enough reports silence someone and if enough reports
are from teammates, boots them from group too.

[Peter T.]

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[Lewis]

Post by Peter T.

Post by Catriona R
I more meant the asking others to do so, that's what
could (if a GM ever bothers to look at it) cause trouble for you.

Then it will give me 2-3 days offline time from the game. I will
appreciate that. I solo the game anyway so I will not lose anything
apart from a little rep here and there. :)

Post by Catriona R
indeed drawing his attention to you by announcing it; some people are
petty enough to find ways to get their friends to mass report you in
revenge.

I guess I have already tried that on myself. Not exactly in revenge,
But still. I've been afk report'ed out of an AV at least two times when
I topped the killing blows list, I had said absolutely nothing and I
silently enjoyed my position. And I have definitely not triggered any
afk trigger due to inactivity. There are a lot of mentally fucked up
peeps in the battlegrounds. And a handful of them joins the bg with a
group of friends.

Post by Catriona R
It would be nice if Blizz added a report toxicity button like I think
they've done in Overwatch, that'd be a lot better than us having to
use inappropriate options for some means of policing things. Could be
a catchall where enough reports silence someone and if enough reports
are from teammates, boots them from group too.

I fully agree. We have the language report button in WoW. But I
suspect all reports from this option ends in a black hole.

No, if you report a player for language in a public channel (Trade) they
will be a temp ban.

If a lot of people report a player for language in a public channel, the
ban will 1) be automatic and 2) be longer.

[Lewis]

Post by Catriona R

Post by Peter T.

Post by John Gordon

Post by Peter T.
10-15 secs before the bg ended I suggested reporting him afk.

It does seem rude to report someone AFK when they actually weren't.

Indeed. But in the big picture; no. He definitely deserved a break.

Sounds like one of those BG situations where people are more fighting
their own team than the opposition lol, one of the reasons I don't
bother with PVP!

/party and /instance are in a separate chat window (with /trade) which I
rarely look at (it’s the 4th tab in my primary chat window).

Post by Catriona R
I wouldn't have done what you did, deserved or not, as if a human GM
looks at it you can indeed get a slap on the wrist for abusing the
votekick system

Nope. According to blizzard people can vote kick for any reason
whatsoever. reporting the user AFK is slightly different, but blizzard
has known about this bug for exactly as long as the report-afk has been
around. I know this because on the first day of it a friend of mine was
reported AFK in WSG while in combat. He pointed this out to the GM
after filing his ticket and the GM was very confused as to how the
report AFK could be triggered when the player was very obviously not
AFK. First day.

It's never been fixed.

[Peter T.]

Post by Lewis
Nope. According to blizzard people can vote kick for any reason
whatsoever. reporting the user AFK is slightly different, but blizzard
has known about this bug for exactly as long as the report-afk has been
around.

So the 1-minute debuff before actually getting kicked can be overridden?
I wasn't really aware of the 1-minute debuff until I read this post from
a blue (I had heard of it though):

<https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/dealing-with-afkers-in-battlegrounds/30767/4?u=multiproc-draenor>

Post by Lewis
I know this because on the first day of it a friend of mine was
reported AFK in WSG while in combat. He pointed this out to the GM
after filing his ticket and the GM was very confused as to how the
report AFK could be triggered when the player was very obviously not
AFK. First day.

I've been kicked several times for no reason. One time I cleared topped
the KB list in an epic BG and I was close to the wreckinball ach which I
have farmed the last 2-3 years. Suddenly I was booted. I guess the
second on the KB list wanted my position. :)
There are some people out there who kicks players for fun. And my only
advice for new players in BGs is to go below the radar, stay anonymous
and silent, and do their job in BGs.

[Lewis]

Post by Peter T.

Post by Lewis
Nope. According to blizzard people can vote kick for any reason
whatsoever. reporting the user AFK is slightly different, but blizzard
has known about this bug for exactly as long as the report-afk has been
around.

So the 1-minute debuff before actually getting kicked can be overridden?
I wasn't really aware of the 1-minute debuff until I read this post from
<https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/dealing-with-afkers-in-battlegrounds/30767/4?u=multiproc-draenor>

I do not know, I nearly never do BGs, but the people I've heard talk
about it have never mentioned a debuff.

[Peter T.]

Post by Lewis
I do not know, I nearly never do BGs, but the people I've heard talk
about it have never mentioned a debuff.

I have read about the debuff here and there. Your get a 1 min debuff if
you are not near a base (base, tower/bunker, mine or whatsoever) AND you
are out-of-fight for a longer period. Once the 60 secs runs out you are
ported out of the BG. That is my understanding of it.

[Lewis]

Post by Peter T.

Post by Lewis
I do not know, I nearly never do BGs, but the people I've heard talk
about it have never mentioned a debuff.

I have read about the debuff here and there. Your get a 1 min debuff if
you are not near a base (base, tower/bunker, mine or whatsoever) AND you
are out-of-fight for a longer period. Once the 60 secs runs out you are
ported out of the BG. That is my understanding of it.

Asked my friend. He said the debuff is automatic and has nothing to do
with players reporting you AFK. YMMV.

(He's a former Grand Marshall and still does probably 50-100 BGs a week).

[Peter T.]

Post by Lewis

Post by Peter T.

Post by Lewis
I do not know, I nearly never do BGs, but the people I've heard talk
about it have never mentioned a debuff.

I have read about the debuff here and there. Your get a 1 min debuff if
you are not near a base (base, tower/bunker, mine or whatsoever) AND you
are out-of-fight for a longer period. Once the 60 secs runs out you are
ported out of the BG. That is my understanding of it.

Asked my friend. He said the debuff is automatic and has nothing to do
with players reporting you AFK. YMMV.

Yes. As I understand it it's two different things.

Post by Lewis
(He's a former Grand Marshall and still does probably 50-100 BGs a week).

:D