6.2, garrison and crates

Post by Peter T.
<http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/18194503905>
Ouch! byebye gold. 20-25% drop chance for a crate from a lvl 100
mission? Lets see what the boats can bring. :)

EU is up.

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Peter T.

<https://www.elitedangerous.com/>

Peter T.

2015-06-24 11:37:30 UTC

Post by Peter T.
<http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/18194503905>
Ouch! byebye gold. 20-25% drop chance for a crate from a lvl 100
mission? Lets see what the boats can bring. :)

Some news you cant read about in the patch notes. this is what I have
found so far (I need a nap after this):

- You can now buy 650 gear for apexis crystals in Tanaan. 5000g apexis
a piece.
- 645 gear for your followers can now be bought. 500g a piece. There
is a new trader at your mission table.
- When you pick up your work orders you get dismounted. I hope this
will be fixed.
- The crafted upgrades is now 1 item. so your crafting list is revised.
No more need to get the 6.1 item upgrades by visiting a trader. 15
item levels per upgrade up to 685 for armor and 670 for weapons.
- Crafted items now have 6 steps up to 715. (I think this is mentioned
in the patch notes).
- MOAR MAOUNTS for cash and apexis! One mount for 150.000 apexis.
Happy farming. I should hit the 200 mounts ach very soon and with a
little luck also the 225 mounts achs as well within the next 3 months as
I have Uld, ICC, EoE and Utgarde Keep on farm atm + the mounts from JC
and other profs I still havent made. :)
- There are many new items to buy from the traders in the Garrison and
in the first city in Talaan. The list is long, but some of the items
looks very promising as we will benefit from those in Tanaan. Some of
the items can be compared to the items sold by the smuggler in Arak.
check them out. you wont be disappointed.

What have you stumbled upon?

My thoughts about the garrison.

I think the garrison is more or less obselete now. There are still gold
missions and I have 3 followers on a 200g mission. So rumors about 40g
and 70g missions only arent true. Also we can send followers on oil
missions (I think its 615 missions). Oil is used for the wharf.

But due to the crate nerf there is no need to stare at the mission table
anymore. Really. My humble guess is missions with a specific gear
level like 630, 645 etc drops a guaranteed crate while ordinary lvl 100
missions only has the same chance to drop a grate like all the other
missions below 100.

Anyhoo. 2 weeks ago I skipped the lumber mill on all chars and replaced
it with the tradepost. But as the garrison seems to become obselete I
now also consider skipping the Tradepost on my alts as I only farm rep
on my main. There is the daily resource income just outside the main
building + the resource missions. I think this should keep my resources
near the 10k limit as I will do less missions than before. I take the
decision in 2 weeks.

Btw. The Master Plan addon isnt updated to 6.2. But the author is
aware of it. Meanwhile we have to assign the followers manually which
feels kinda odd. :)

And oh! If you cant log in due to an Error 112 you can try restarting
the battlenet loader. That did it for me. Its a common bug after the
patch and Blizzard are looking at it. there seems to be other
solutions. Some works for some while they dont work for others. Check
the forums.

--
Peter T.

<https://www.elitedangerous.com/>

Catriona R

2015-06-24 12:53:40 UTC

Post by Peter T.
<http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/18194503905>
Ouch! byebye gold. 20-25% drop chance for a crate from a lvl 100
mission? Lets see what the boats can bring. :)

Ouch, I'd expected it to still be about 50% or so, that's pretty
harsh. Hope it just means the shipyard brings in decent stuff instead,
but I've not got that far yet...

Post by Peter T.
- When you pick up your work orders you get dismounted. I hope this
will be fixed.

Think that one's a bug, it's mentioned way down towards the bottom of
http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/372511-updates-from-warcraftdevs-patch-62-ptr/
as "Thanks for the report. We're investigating this further."

Post by Peter T.
- The crafted upgrades is now 1 item. so your crafting list is revised.

Yep, lesser materials for the earlier upgrades, but then you gotta get
Felblight and stuff for your new upgrades. I believe crafting daily cd
gives larger amounts of materials now too.

Post by Peter T.
- MOAR MAOUNTS for cash and apexis! One mount for 150.000 apexis.
Happy farming.

I discovered how good the spirit lodge is for apexis very recently;
had forgotten allabout it till my bf was levelling an alt and
complaining about lvl 100s farming his quest mobs all the time,
suddenly I realised it was ogres every time, and then i remembered the
addition of work orders to the spirit lodge. Tried it and yeah, 200+
most times, well worth the ogre farming :-) 150k will still take ages
though, hopefully there's ways to get then in Tanaan too.

Post by Peter T.
I should hit the 200 mounts ach very soon and with a
little luck also the 225 mounts achs as well within the next 3 months as
I have Uld, ICC, EoE and Utgarde Keep on farm atm + the mounts from JC
and other profs I still havent made. :)

Unfortunately there isn't a 225 mounts one, the next is 250 ;-) I'm on
214 at present, got lucky the other day, my bf was questing in Nagrand
when he says "what's that rare that's not on my Draenor Treasures
addon?", I look over, lvl 100 elekk with 2 million+ health... suddenly
I twig it's a mount dropping rare; I've never seen any of those! Cue
panicked login and Aviana's Feather over to Nagrand then riding as
fast as I can praying that no uber geared person comes along and nukes
it before I get there lol, luckily nobody did and I got a new elekk
mount :-)

Post by Peter T.
What have you stumbled upon?

Nothing so far, patch is downloading, then I'm expecting it to the
crowded as heck anyway hehe, so I'm off to do my bonfires today, when
there's unlikely to be many allies around waiting to gank me when I
get flagged from stamping out their fires ;-) Probably will give
Tanaan a go later though,I just don't want to burn through all the
content and go back to boredom too fast!

Post by Peter T.
My thoughts about the garrison.
I think the garrison is more or less obselete now. There are still gold
missions and I have 3 followers on a 200g mission. So rumors about 40g
and 70g missions only arent true. Also we can send followers on oil
missions (I think its 615 missions). Oil is used for the wharf.
But due to the crate nerf there is no need to stare at the mission table
anymore. Really. My humble guess is missions with a specific gear
level like 630, 645 etc drops a guaranteed crate while ordinary lvl 100
missions only has the same chance to drop a grate like all the other
missions below 100.

Oh well, probably not such a bad thing in some ways, I only did the
missions once a day anyway but I know some people seemed to find it
necessary to do them constantly; that was one of the prime excuses I
read in the bot ban threads - "oh but you have to bot the garrison, it
takes for ever to run all your missions and do the herb garden/mine on
20 characters several times a day"... jeez. The logical answer to that
of course is "then DON'T", but seemingly some people are too dumb to
realise it's not compulsory...

Post by Peter T.
Anyhoo. 2 weeks ago I skipped the lumber mill on all chars and replaced
it with the tradepost. But as the garrison seems to become obselete I
now also consider skipping the Tradepost on my alts as I only farm rep
on my main. There is the daily resource income just outside the main
building + the resource missions. I think this should keep my resources
near the 10k limit as I will do less missions than before. I take the
decision in 2 weeks.

I only use the trading post to get rid of resources, not to earn then,
it's great to convert easy resources into gold by buying draenic dust
or black rock ore and selling on for profit :-) All you need is 5-6
scavengers and you never need resources anyway once you get a garrison
up and running with everything built.

Post by Peter T.
Btw. The Master Plan addon isnt updated to 6.2. But the author is
aware of it. Meanwhile we have to assign the followers manually which
feels kinda odd. :)

Hah I always did it manually, way more fun than letting a program do
it for you, so I'm fine :-P

Peter T.

2015-06-24 14:53:20 UTC

Post by Catriona R
Unfortunately there isn't a 225 mounts one, the next is 250 ;-)

Hrmpf. :(

--
Peter T.

<https://www.elitedangerous.com/>

Catriona R

2015-06-24 14:57:44 UTC

Post by Catriona R
Unfortunately there isn't a 225 mounts one, the next is 250 ;-)

Hrmpf. :(

Hehe yeah, would be nice if they were closer together, harder to get
them by this stage. I've got 2 argent tournament ones left and some
high gold/apexis ones, rest which aren't rated pvp and the like are
all low chance raid drops/meta achievements that inevitably contain
one part that's impossible in a group of 1-3 people...

Peter T.

2015-06-24 15:24:05 UTC

Post by Peter T.
- You can now buy 650 gear for apexis crystals in Tanaan. 5000g apexis
a piece.

Baleful items also drops from mobs in Tanaan. I was running low on dust
so thats good. but also. I just killed a 800k hp rare. Baleful
spaulders dropped, but instead of the blue 650 shoulders I got some epic
675 shoulders. :)

--
Peter T.

<https://www.elitedangerous.com/>

Peter T.

2015-06-26 11:15:15 UTC

Post by Peter T.
Uld, ICC, EoE and Utgarde Keep on farm

Lodi Dodi we loves the Skadi on all 8 chars. I just realized I'd been
running the wrong Utgarde Keep instance in almost a week now. The mount
drops in the Pinnacle instance... sigh..

--
Peter T.

<https://www.elitedangerous.com/>

Peter T.

2015-06-26 11:22:06 UTC

Post by Peter T.
Uld, ICC, EoE and Utgarde Keep on farm

Lodi Dodi we loves the Skadi on all 8 chars. I just realized I'd been
running the wrong Utgarde Keep instance in almost a week now. The mount
drops in the Pinnacle instance... sigh..

The good news is that Pinnacle only takes 2½-3 minutes to do while the
keep instance took me 5 minutes and was boring as hell due to the
endless running. :)

--
Peter T.

<https://www.elitedangerous.com/>

Catriona R

2015-06-26 12:53:15 UTC

Post by Peter T.
Uld, ICC, EoE and Utgarde Keep on farm

Lodi Dodi we loves the Skadi on all 8 chars. I just realized I'd been
running the wrong Utgarde Keep instance in almost a week now. The mount
drops in the Pinnacle instance... sigh..

The good news is that Pinnacle only takes 2½-3 minutes to do while the
keep instance took me 5 minutes and was boring as hell due to the
endless running. :)

Lol, oops! And yeah, UP is nice and fast, especially as a stealth
class, I parked my (otherwise little-used) rogue outside the entrance
for a few months till the drake finally dropped :-)

Reminds me I used to have a couple of characters otuside ZG doing
those mounts, ran out of steam a bit when I eventually got the raptor
(over 100 kills in...) but I still miss the panther... best move those
alts back over there :-)

Peter T.

2015-06-29 07:47:58 UTC

Post by Peter T.
Uld, ICC, EoE and Utgarde Keep on farm

Lodi Dodi we loves the Skadi on all 8 chars. I just realized I'd been
running the wrong Utgarde Keep instance in almost a week now. The mount
drops in the Pinnacle instance... sigh..

The good news is that Pinnacle only takes 2½-3 minutes to do while the
keep instance took me 5 minutes and was boring as hell due to the
endless running. :)

Dunno if Blizzard has buffed the drop rate of the drakes i EoE. The
blue drake dropped last week after like 10-15 attempts. This morning it
dropped again. 2 chars later the azure drake also dropped.
According to wowhead the drop rate should be around 4% for both drakes.

--
Peter T.

Catriona R

2015-06-29 12:44:51 UTC

Post by Peter T.
Uld, ICC, EoE and Utgarde Keep on farm

Lodi Dodi we loves the Skadi on all 8 chars. I just realized I'd been
running the wrong Utgarde Keep instance in almost a week now. The mount
drops in the Pinnacle instance... sigh..

The good news is that Pinnacle only takes 2½-3 minutes to do while the
keep instance took me 5 minutes and was boring as hell due to the
endless running. :)

Wow, that's lucky! Although I got the blue drake about 2 runs before
the azure drake myself... I just already knew it from when I dropped
in Oculus bonus bags. I thought it was a lower droprate than that
though, more like 1%, maybe it was higher than I realised!

Peter T.

2015-06-30 07:53:49 UTC

Post by Peter T.
Dunno if Blizzard has buffed the drop rate of the drakes i EoE. The
blue drake dropped last week after like 10-15 attempts. This morning it
dropped again. 2 chars later the azure drake also dropped.
According to wowhead the drop rate should be around 4% for both drakes.

The VoA mount also dropped a few minutes ago. Collector said 87th
attempt. But my WoW install + variables and files are from cata so its
probably a lot more attempts. :)
Finally no more flying to VoA and EoE. Those flights were true killers.
My chars' HS are set to the innkeeper just south of Utgarde Keep as I
farm Utgarde Pinnacle on daily basis. The flight from that point to VoA
took 6 mins. And from VoA to EoE was the same.

--
Peter T.

Catriona R

2015-06-30 08:05:42 UTC

Congrats! I need to get back to trying VoA, it's an annoying one as
you can't always tell from Dalaran if it's actually ours, thanks to
crossrealm zoning, been a few times I've travelled there only to find
we didn't have it after all *sigh*.

Dalaran teleport ring is wonderful for Northrend mount farming, only
30 mins cd so I just use that for getting around (also I'm hearthed in
Pandaria shrine, so can use that portal as well if ring is on cd!)

Got my first Tanaan mount yesterday, I seriously love the group finder
for things like that, beats waiting hours for the spawns :-)

Peter T.

2015-06-30 09:30:31 UTC

Post by Catriona R
Congrats! I need to get back to trying VoA, it's an annoying one as
you can't always tell from Dalaran if it's actually ours, thanks to
crossrealm zoning, been a few times I've travelled there only to find
we didn't have it after all *sigh*.

Hehe. :) If you dont have the wintergrasp buff, but WG is belonging to
your faction the fight is ongoing. Nobody does WG atm as theyre busy
with Tanaan. so its pretty easy to hold it or conquer it.

Post by Catriona R
Dalaran teleport ring is wonderful for Northrend mount farming, only
30 mins cd so I just use that for getting around (also I'm hearthed in
Pandaria shrine, so can use that portal as well if ring is on cd!)

Heh! I've forgot all about that ring! Better have to get it asap!

Post by Catriona R
Got my first Tanaan mount yesterday, I seriously love the group finder
for things like that, beats waiting hours for the spawns :-)

Grats. :) I got my first medallion from one of 4 super rares in Tanaan.
1K rep to all WoD factions. Hozen Pipe v2. :)

--
Peter T.

Catriona R

2015-06-30 10:20:13 UTC

Hehe. :) If you dont have the wintergrasp buff, but WG is belonging to
your faction the fight is ongoing. Nobody does WG atm as theyre busy
with Tanaan. so its pretty easy to hold it or conquer it.

The problem is more having the buff, getting there and finding it's
alliance owned - not all of Northrend is the same with regards to
crossrealm zoning, apparently :-(

Heh! I've forgot all about that ring! Better have to get it asap!

I got that way back in Wrath when I was actually using it - always
been glad I kept it in my bags since then, it's so handy for travl,
especially now can farm mounts in all the raids there.

Post by Catriona R
Got my first Tanaan mount yesterday, I seriously love the group finder
for things like that, beats waiting hours for the spawns :-)

Grats. :) I got my first medallion from one of 4 super rares in Tanaan.
1K rep to all WoD factions. Hozen Pipe v2. :)

1k rep... or 18-20k gold on the AH as rich people don't want to do
dailies; I'm taking the gold lol :-D Got my 2nd mount a few mins ago,
on a roll here, wonder if number 3 will drop tomorrow!

Peter T.

2015-06-30 18:55:05 UTC

Post by Peter T.
Grats. :) I got my first medallion from one of 4 super rares in Tanaan.
1K rep to all WoD factions. Hozen Pipe v2. :)

1k rep... or 18-20k gold on the AH as rich people don't want to do
dailies; I'm taking the gold lol :-D Got my 2nd mount a few mins ago,
on a roll here, wonder if number 3 will drop tomorrow!

Just posted the medallion. Less than 10 secs later it was sold. 17k
inc. :)

--
Peter T.

Catriona R

2015-06-30 19:00:05 UTC

Post by Peter T.
Grats. :) I got my first medallion from one of 4 super rares in Tanaan.
1K rep to all WoD factions. Hozen Pipe v2. :)

1k rep... or 18-20k gold on the AH as rich people don't want to do
dailies; I'm taking the gold lol :-D Got my 2nd mount a few mins ago,
on a roll here, wonder if number 3 will drop tomorrow!

Just posted the medallion. Less than 10 secs later it was sold. 17k
inc. :)

Wow, that was fast! Nice gold if you get lucky with drops there - I'd
use them myself if they were cheaper, but at that price... I'll take
the gold instead :-)

unknown

2015-07-01 02:22:19 UTC

Post by Peter T.
Grats. :) I got my first medallion from one of 4 super rares in Tanaan.
1K rep to all WoD factions. Hozen Pipe v2. :)

1k rep... or 18-20k gold on the AH as rich people don't want to do
dailies; I'm taking the gold lol :-D Got my 2nd mount a few mins ago,
on a roll here, wonder if number 3 will drop tomorrow!

Just posted the medallion. Less than 10 secs later it was sold. 17k
inc. :)

Wow, that was fast! Nice gold if you get lucky with drops there - I'd
use them myself if they were cheaper, but at that price... I'll take
the gold instead :-)

Serendipity or someone running a recent posts scanner.
'I would be happy with this price '..sold..'JOY! oh wait, did I err in
price? I thought I would be happier than that ' :-)

For the Wintergrasp buff maybe the comments about checking in Dalaran
may work?
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/11836803762
Way back there used to be a portal to WG in the faction base in Dal, for
the battle and I think if your faction owned it???.

Just mentioning in case it is still there, I have no idea.

Catriona R

2015-07-02 03:06:14 UTC

On Wed, 1 Jul 2015 11:52:19 +0930, | || ||| ||||| || |

Post by unknown
For the Wintergrasp buff maybe the comments about checking in Dalaran
may work?
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/11836803762
Way back there used to be a portal to WG in the faction base in Dal, for
the battle and I think if your faction owned it???.
Just mentioning in case it is still there, I have no idea.

It is there, yes, but I've heard stories of people using it getting
dropped into a base owned by the other faction and promptly ganked by
NPCs... I prefer to fly over and see for myself instead lol ;-)

Peter T.

2015-07-10 23:16:50 UTC

Post by Catriona R
1k rep... or 18-20k gold on the AH as rich people don't want to do
dailies; I'm taking the gold lol :-D Got my 2nd mount a few mins ago,
on a roll here, wonder if number 3 will drop tomorrow!

You've got all 3 mounts, no? How many attempts? ^^ Me. 1 mount from
like 50 kills.

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Peter T.

Catriona R

2015-07-10 23:33:44 UTC

You've got all 3 mounts, no? How many attempts? ^^ Me. 1 mount from
like 50 kills.

Got them all now, yep, can't recall how many attempts but they all
dropped within a few days, whatever day I said I got my 2nd, the 3rd
came 1-2 days later :-) Purely down to luck though; I've barely seen
any medallions since then, so I guess I used my luck up there!

Peter T.

2015-07-11 00:25:08 UTC

Post by Catriona R
Got them all now, yep, can't recall how many attempts but they all
dropped within a few days, whatever day I said I got my 2nd, the 3rd
came 1-2 days later :-) Purely down to luck though; I've barely seen
any medallions since then, so I guess I used my luck up there!

3 chars/12 kills every day. 1 medallion and 1200 oil a day. :) Each
kill usually gives 2-3 players a cage. So thats approx 5-8%.

--
Peter T.

Catriona R

2015-07-11 00:54:19 UTC

3 chars/12 kills every day. 1 medallion and 1200 oil a day. :) Each
kill usually gives 2-3 players a cage. So thats approx 5-8%.

Guess I was lucky then, only using 1 character (got 2 100s but it's
enough of a chore doing everything one 1...), all 3 mounts dropped,
medallions are a lot more patchy, one every 3-4 days I guess, though
sometimes I get 2 in a day.

At least Kazzak likes me better than Rukhmar did; got a neck this week
on only the 3rd attempt. I still have only ever had 1 drop off Rukhmar
on my main, out of what Rarity says is now 20 kills, using bonus roll
every time (even after I didn't need anything; I wanted to see if my
luck would ever change!). Given Kazzak's drops are better for me than
Rukhmar's ever were, here's hoping I'll be luckier with him :-)

Peter T.

2015-07-18 12:25:42 UTC

3 chars/12 kills every day. 1 medallion and 1200 oil a day. :) Each
kill usually gives 2-3 players a cage. So thats approx 5-8%.

Finally. Another mount just dropped. One of my addons (Rarity?) told
me it was my 73rd attempt. :) One to go...

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Peter T.

Peter T.

2015-07-18 14:20:20 UTC

Post by Peter T.
Finally. Another mount just dropped. One of my addons (Rarity?) told
me it was my 73rd attempt. :) One to go...

74th attempt. Another mount. I already have it. :/

--
Peter T.

Catriona R

2015-07-18 14:46:35 UTC

Post by Peter T.
Finally. Another mount just dropped. One of my addons (Rarity?) told
me it was my 73rd attempt. :) One to go...

74th attempt. Another mount. I already have it. :/

Dammit :-( Cognrats on number 2 though ;-) According to my screenshots
(I like how Rarity screenies your drops) it took me 21 attempts to get
the lot, so it seems I was WAY more lucky then you. No duplicates
helped me though!

Still working on the last pet from the pet battle bags though, 120+
bags opened and counting... not even had any duplicates yet, which
apparently can happen, although not sure if that needs multiple
characters doing the battles; I've only bothered taking my main to
Tanaan so far.

Peter T.

2015-07-20 08:53:15 UTC

Post by Peter T.
Finally. Another mount just dropped. One of my addons (Rarity?) told
me it was my 73rd attempt. :) One to go...

74th attempt. Another mount. I already have it. :/

Two more mounts dropped. Too bad I already have them. 86 attempts so
far. I ask myself "wtf?". Drop rate buffed? :)

--
Peter T.

Peter T.

2015-07-20 11:00:56 UTC

Post by Peter T.
Finally. Another mount just dropped. One of my addons (Rarity?) told
me it was my 73rd attempt. :) One to go...

74th attempt. Another mount. I already have it. :/

Two more mounts dropped. Too bad I already have them. 86 attempts so
far. I ask myself "wtf?". Drop rate buffed? :)

YAY! Finally!!!! :D

--
Peter T.

Catriona R

2015-07-20 12:48:24 UTC

Post by Peter T.
Finally. Another mount just dropped. One of my addons (Rarity?) told
me it was my 73rd attempt. :) One to go...

74th attempt. Another mount. I already have it. :/

Two more mounts dropped. Too bad I already have them. 86 attempts so
far. I ask myself "wtf?". Drop rate buffed? :)

YAY! Finally!!!! :D

Got it then? Congrats, about time luck caught up with you :-D

Had my first shot at Invincible last night, that extra phase took me
by surprise, doesn't happen on any other difficulty as I recall!
Didn't drop, of course, but at least now I know for sure I can do the
fight :-)

Peter T.

2015-07-20 13:12:19 UTC

Post by Peter T.
YAY! Finally!!!! :D

Got it then? Congrats, about time luck caught up with you :-D

Yeah. The addon that counts my attempts doesnt work on all chars. I'm
sitting with a WoW install from before MoP so variables must be pretty
much screwed. Anyway. I got it.
What I find odd is the massive drop rate of the cages for me in the last
three days. I got two cages today. and probably 5-7 cages in the last
three days... Before that it was a long walk in the desert...

--
Peter T.

Urbin

2015-06-30 19:47:35 UTC

Post by Peter T.
Finally no more flying to VoA and EoE. Those flights were true killers.
My chars' HS are set to the innkeeper just south of Utgarde Keep as I
farm Utgarde Pinnacle on daily basis. The flight from that point to VoA
took 6 mins. And from VoA to EoE was the same.

Wouldn't it be closer to fly to WG from the Argent Tournament grounds? There
is a tabard you can get that lets you teleport there. That was my preferred
way of getting to Northrend while having my HS set on some other continent.

On the other hand, it's been a long time since I set foot in Northrend, so I
might be misremembereing ;-)

Cheers
Urbin

Peter T.

2015-06-30 22:31:29 UTC

Wouldn't it be closer to fly to WG from the Argent Tournament grounds? There
is a tabard you can get that lets you teleport there. That was my preferred
way of getting to Northrend while having my HS set on some other continent.
On the other hand, it's been a long time since I set foot in Northrend, so I
might be misremembereing ;-)

True. Its definitely a shorter flight path than Utgarde->WG. But
Catriona mentions the ring which ports you to Dal and that is even
better. :)

Btw. It still annoys me there is no FP right outside the entrance to ICC.

--
Peter T.

Catriona R

2015-06-30 23:23:27 UTC

Wouldn't it be closer to fly to WG from the Argent Tournament grounds? There
is a tabard you can get that lets you teleport there. That was my preferred
way of getting to Northrend while having my HS set on some other continent.
On the other hand, it's been a long time since I set foot in Northrend, so I
might be misremembereing ;-)

True. Its definitely a shorter flight path than Utgarde->WG. But
Catriona mentions the ring which ports you to Dal and that is even
better. :)

I'd actually forgotten the tabard, that's also handy, given I'm still
working on Argent Tournament mounts (only one to go... almost there),
but then it's only a 1 min flight from Dalaran anyway :-)

Post by Peter T.
Btw. It still annoys me there is no FP right outside the entrance to ICC.

Me too! No matter where you go from it's a long flight, I far prefer
jumping on a taxi and tabbing out to read forums or something on the
way.

Urbin

2015-07-01 09:22:50 UTC

Wouldn't it be closer to fly to WG from the Argent Tournament grounds? There
is a tabard you can get that lets you teleport there. That was my preferred
way of getting to Northrend while having my HS set on some other continent.
On the other hand, it's been a long time since I set foot in Northrend, so I
might be misremembereing ;-)

True. Its definitely a shorter flight path than Utgarde->WG. But
Catriona mentions the ring which ports you to Dal and that is even
better. :)

Also true. However, I was always too cheap to buy that ring, considering the
tabard was much cheaper and that the flight from the tournament to dalaran
was actually pretty short.

Cheers
Urbin

Peter T.

2015-07-01 20:39:03 UTC

Post by Urbin
Also true. However, I was always too cheap to buy that ring, considering the
tabard was much cheaper and that the flight from the tournament to dalaran
was actually pretty short.

Heh yeah. 8500 gold. No way. I already have an extra HS in the
garrison stone so I save the money for a mount or 20 in WoD. :)

--
Peter T.

Catriona R

2015-07-02 03:07:39 UTC

Post by Urbin
Also true. However, I was always too cheap to buy that ring, considering the
tabard was much cheaper and that the flight from the tournament to dalaran
was actually pretty short.

Heh yeah. 8500 gold. No way. I already have an extra HS in the
garrison stone so I save the money for a mount or 20 in WoD. :)

Hehe understandable, have to say I thought it was nearer 5k but it was
a long long time ago I got it. It was an upgrade for me at the time so
I primarily got it for the stats, the teleport feature only became
really useful later on after Wrath was over!

Peter T.

2015-07-03 10:35:33 UTC

Post by Peter T.
Uld, ICC, EoE and Utgarde Keep on farm

Lodi Dodi we loves the Skadi on all 8 chars. I just realized I'd been
running the wrong Utgarde Keep instance in almost a week now. The mount
drops in the Pinnacle instance... sigh..

The good news is that Pinnacle only takes 2½-3 minutes to do while the
keep instance took me 5 minutes and was boring as hell due to the
endless running. :)

Wee! The blue drake dropped after 50ish attempts. :)

Time-out!

--
Peter T.

Catriona R

2015-07-03 12:59:31 UTC

Post by Peter T.
Uld, ICC, EoE and Utgarde Keep on farm

Lodi Dodi we loves the Skadi on all 8 chars. I just realized I'd been
running the wrong Utgarde Keep instance in almost a week now. The mount
drops in the Pinnacle instance... sigh..

The good news is that Pinnacle only takes 2½-3 minutes to do while the
keep instance took me 5 minutes and was boring as hell due to the
endless running. :)

Wee! The blue drake dropped after 50ish attempts. :)
Time-out!

Congrats! That was fast, took me months but then I only ran one
character a day :-)

Peter T.

2015-07-03 15:13:27 UTC

Post by Peter T.
Wee! The blue drake dropped after 50ish attempts. :)
Time-out!

Congrats! That was fast, took me months but then I only ran one
character a day :-)

I know the drill with just one char. :) But running the same instance
on 8 chars every day is just tedious...
I consider making the 5 or 6 JC mounts from MoP so I get the 200 mounts
ach as I have 197 mounts on a single char. But 160-200K gold is a bit
expensive. Especially because we dont have the discount perk anymore.
Anyhoo. It seems like the JC mounts has gone up in price now. On DMF
they're AH'ed for 29-30K.

--
Peter T.

Catriona R

2015-07-03 20:29:07 UTC

Post by Peter T.
Wee! The blue drake dropped after 50ish attempts. :)
Time-out!

Congrats! That was fast, took me months but then I only ran one
character a day :-)

I know the drill with just one char. :) But running the same instance
on 8 chars every day is just tedious...

Ouch, I bet.

Post by Peter T.
I consider making the 5 or 6 JC mounts from MoP so I get the 200 mounts
ach as I have 197 mounts on a single char. But 160-200K gold is a bit
expensive. Especially because we dont have the discount perk anymore.

Yeah, pricy but they're nice looking mounts, I still use the red one
on a couple of alts and I used the black one on my main for most of
MoP, really nice one :-)

Post by Peter T.
Anyhoo. It seems like the JC mounts has gone up in price now. On DMF
they're AH'ed for 29-30K.

Yeah, people aren't getting the orbs from Blingtron any more, old one
used to drop them, new one I suspect doesn't (well, I've not seen
them), and it's more of a grind to make them now. Plus I think the
dupe exploit that was rumoured has gone; prices used to be lower than
it cost to make them, which really didn't add up unless there was some
kind of exploit happening...

Peter T.

2015-07-03 21:23:38 UTC

Post by Catriona R
Yeah, pricy but they're nice looking mounts, I still use the red one
on a couple of alts and I used the black one on my main for most of
MoP, really nice one :-)

I love the look of the JC mounts. Simple, neat and the colors too. :)
Many of the other mounts including those I've farmed looks very similar
to each other imho. But I'm also a bit gayish when it comes to colors.
Seriuosly. I really hunt the pang or clean colors when it comes to
xmogs. but its nearly impossible to find white clothes for my mage
while my shammy looks great in red (Magnificent and Bloodlust set from
vanilla). :)

<http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/darkmoon-faire/Mistre/simple>

White belf very soon.

Post by Peter T.
Anyhoo. It seems like the JC mounts has gone up in price now. On DMF
they're AH'ed for 29-30K.

That means Blizzard has fixed the duping? ^^ Anyway. the core material
is 20K at the vendor. the other mats can be farmed quite easily. So it
9-10K in profit. Consider consider...

--
Peter T.

Catriona R

2015-07-03 21:51:27 UTC

Post by Catriona R
Yeah, pricy but they're nice looking mounts, I still use the red one
on a couple of alts and I used the black one on my main for most of
MoP, really nice one :-)

I love the look of the JC mounts. Simple, neat and the colors too. :)
Many of the other mounts including those I've farmed looks very similar
to each other imho. But I'm also a bit gayish when it comes to colors.
Seriuosly. I really hunt the pang or clean colors when it comes to
xmogs. but its nearly impossible to find white clothes for my mage
while my shammy looks great in red (Magnificent and Bloodlust set from
vanilla). :)
<http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/darkmoon-faire/Mistre/simple>
White belf very soon.

Hehe nice and colourful that one :-) I wish I liked newer gear, all my
transmogs are vanilla/BC and they look a bit low-res, but, newer gear
just doesn't fit my taste, other than a few raid drops that I can't
get anyway (not happy with how crap LFR gear looks now... seriously,
what was the point in making it look so bad I instantly transmog it to
hide it?)

Post by Peter T.
Anyhoo. It seems like the JC mounts has gone up in price now. On DMF
they're AH'ed for 29-30K.

That means Blizzard has fixed the duping? ^^ Anyway. the core material
is 20K at the vendor. the other mats can be farmed quite easily. So it
9-10K in profit. Consider consider...

Well, they *might* have fixed it, I don't know, just seems a likely
reason for prices to have increased on those... who knows though!
it's not a bad profit, yeah, although living steel is a pain to get if
you don't have an alchemist, I wonder if those actually sell, if they
do I may try my luck with one.

Got to work out better than my epic gem I cut several days ago that
still hasn't sold, now less than the value of the felblights at the
time I cut it, *sigh*. Can't say I'm that surprised that even the
hardcore raiders don't want to pay 10k gold for a single gem but
still...

Peter T.

2015-07-04 22:30:23 UTC

Post by Peter T.
That means Blizzard has fixed the duping? ^^ Anyway. the core material
is 20K at the vendor. the other mats can be farmed quite easily. So it
9-10K in profit. Consider consider...

I think I saw those prices on my old realm. Havent checked the prices
on Draenor. :)

Post by Catriona R
Well, they *might* have fixed it, I don't know, just seems a likely
reason for prices to have increased on those... who knows though!
it's not a bad profit, yeah, although living steel is a pain to get if
you don't have an alchemist, I wonder if those actually sell, if they
do I may try my luck with one.

I think they will sell. With WoD we have got access to so many
easy-to-get mounts so many peeps (like me) will fill some holes so they
get their 200 mounts or even 250 mounts ach. Its just a guess though.

--
Peter T.

Catriona R

2015-07-05 01:20:58 UTC

Post by Peter T.
That means Blizzard has fixed the duping? ^^ Anyway. the core material
is 20K at the vendor. the other mats can be farmed quite easily. So it
9-10K in profit. Consider consider...

I think I saw those prices on my old realm. Havent checked the prices
on Draenor. :)

Just had a look, 29-31k, wow. If they actually *sell* for that then
hmm, could be nice! I might make one to experiment, bit of a gamble
but may pay off.

Though I hope it doesn't take the 6 months+ it took to sell my Hide of
the Wild recipe that finally went last week, been trying to offload
that forever but given it's not been available for 4+ years, didn't
really want to sell it cheap!

True, yeah, I've been collecting for ages but still have my eye out
for a few, and there's an awful lot of people who are newly rich that
weren't before (my bf has *never* been able to make money, I usually
gave him everything, even he's now got 200k on a single character...)

Got all my Tanaan mounts now, not bad using just one character, still
doing the bosses for medallions to sell (while they're still 14k or
so, when it goes down a but further I'll start using them instead),
but only 3 of them now, Vengeance is just too annoying; there's no
obviously safe place to stand while you spam the grounp finder, and
getting ganked by multiple mobs including an elite or two is a bit
annoying when your dps isn't amazing :-(

Peter T.

2015-07-05 06:10:51 UTC

Post by Catriona R
Vengeance is just too annoying; there's no
obviously safe place to stand while you spam the grounp finder, and
getting ganked by multiple mobs including an elite or two is a bit
annoying when your dps isn't amazing :-(

Stealthman 54 from engineering? Youre invisible for as long as you
stand still. :)

--
Peter T.

Catriona R

2015-07-05 13:04:04 UTC

Stealthman 54 from engineering? Youre invisible for as long as you
stand still. :)

Hmm good idea, though unless it works on my bodyguard too, it's not so
useful hehe, I'm rather weak without the added dps if my bodyguard
dies (really hope they either keep that mechanic or buff healer dps
next expansion...). I'm just taking the "don't bother" option with
Vengeance now and killing the other 3 who I can wait safely for ;-)

Peter T.

2015-07-05 13:07:14 UTC

Post by Peter T.
Stealthman 54 from engineering? Youre invisible for as long as you
stand still. :)

Im pretty sure bodyguards dont aggro. Pets do.

--
Peter T.

Catriona R

2015-07-05 13:08:41 UTC

Post by Peter T.
Stealthman 54 from engineering? Youre invisible for as long as you
stand still. :)

Im pretty sure bodyguards dont aggro. Pets do.

Hope you're right, I might give that a try then :-)

unknown

2015-06-24 11:51:58 UTC

Post by Peter T.
<http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/18194503905>
Ouch! byebye gold. 20-25% drop chance for a crate from a lvl 100
mission? Lets see what the boats can bring. :)

So, I am not 'losing' 10+k easy gold a day by not playing, cool , fine,
just peachy , means the AH that I quite like is correspondingly more
worth while (must think silver lining silver lining happy place waves on
a beach ).

I was thinking of playing 6.2 for a while, packed the farfarbetter half
off to Europe for a couple of months. Have enough tokens to play well
into next year
[ who is actually paying all these $ for so many anyway? ]
just me and the cat and wow a click away on a stormy cold winters
night..tempting..

But apart from grinding flying I don't see much of interest.
Even flying won't actually have much use beyond a bit of tourism and
quest filling, and you have to have been a tourist and filled quests to
get it.

Of course if I do click on wow..this button right here...see..
just...one...small...click... I will be immersed for a while and
*enjoy* the grinding until immersion breaks in about 3 days. The
aversion is it seems a lot of fiddly loose ends to tie up.

http://www.wowhead.com/flying

shows no character particularly far along on anything, so its warlocks
all the way down.

http://www.wowhead.com/achievement=9564/securing-draenor
no way near but at least it looks like no instances, just the mission zones.

What puts me of is, this is blizzard, doing all those loose ends for a
few days solid or whatever it takes. Then finding some instance
roadblock buried deep down amongst them without an alternative.
Kill 500 grue, get 1,000 zorkmids in 3 hours OR spend 15 minutes in that
dungeon with other people, grue stew anyone?

Peter T.

2015-06-24 14:18:11 UTC

Post by unknown

Post by Peter T.
<http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/18194503905>
Ouch! byebye gold. 20-25% drop chance for a crate from a lvl 100
mission? Lets see what the boats can bring. :)

So, I am not 'losing' 10+k easy gold a day by not playing, cool , fine,
just peachy , means the AH that I quite like is correspondingly more
worth while (must think silver lining silver lining happy place waves on
a beach ).
I was thinking of playing 6.2 for a while, packed the farfarbetter half
off to Europe for a couple of months. Have enough tokens to play well
into next year
[ who is actually paying all these $ for so many anyway? ]
just me and the cat and wow a click away on a stormy cold winters
night..tempting..
But apart from grinding flying I don't see much of interest.
Even flying won't actually have much use beyond a bit of tourism and
quest filling, and you have to have been a tourist and filled quests to
get it.
Of course if I do click on wow..this button right here...see..
just...one...small...click... I will be immersed for a while and
*enjoy* the grinding until immersion breaks in about 3 days. The
aversion is it seems a lot of fiddly loose ends to tie up.
http://www.wowhead.com/flying
shows no character particularly far along on anything, so its warlocks
all the way down.
http://www.wowhead.com/achievement=9564/securing-draenor
no way near but at least it looks like no instances, just the mission zones.
What puts me of is, this is blizzard, doing all those loose ends for a
few days solid or whatever it takes. Then finding some instance
roadblock buried deep down amongst them without an alternative.
Kill 500 grue, get 1,000 zorkmids in 3 hours OR spend 15 minutes in that
dungeon with other people, grue stew anyone?

--
Peter T.

<https://www.elitedangerous.com/>

Peter T.

2015-06-28 00:17:34 UTC

Lots of goodies are found in the chests here and there. But I have 2
favorites which I use when theyre off CD.

Bottomless Sytgana Mushroom Brew - with a fun side effect. =)

<http://www.wowhead.com/item=128223/bottomless-sytgana-mushroom-brew>

Skull of the Mad Chief - VERY useful until we get the flying skill! And
very fun too. :)

<http://www.wowhead.com/item=127669/skull-of-the-mad-chief>

--
Peter T.

Catriona R

2015-06-28 00:44:36 UTC

Post by Peter T.
Lots of goodies are found in the chests here and there. But I have 2
favorites which I use when theyre off CD.
Bottomless Sytgana Mushroom Brew - with a fun side effect. =)
<http://www.wowhead.com/item=128223/bottomless-sytgana-mushroom-brew>

Hehe I love that one, yep! Also if you found the strange fruit one I
believe that'll turn into a podling costume after the 14 days is up
:-)

Post by Peter T.
Skull of the Mad Chief - VERY useful until we get the flying skill! And
very fun too. :)
<http://www.wowhead.com/item=127669/skull-of-the-mad-chief>

I need to actually try that, looted it earlier then forgot about it
lol, it sounds pretty cool though.

Got honoured with Vol'jin's headhunters earlier and got the teleport
to rare spawn item, awesome, but not too useful on a super-high
population realm like Draenor, most times I use it there's no live
rares in range :-( However it'll be handy for those times where
NPCScan goes off and I have no idea how to actually reach the rare!

Peter T.

2015-07-05 10:04:02 UTC

Post by Peter T.
<http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/18194503905>

Finally Pathfinder.

Flying skill should be accessible in PTR in 1-3 weeks. So 1-1½ month
from now?

--
Peter T.

Catriona R

2015-07-05 13:08:13 UTC

Post by Peter T.
Finally Pathfinder.
Flying skill should be accessible in PTR in 1-3 weeks. So 1-1½ month
from now?

Congrats! I'll have 2/3 factions done when I do today's dailies, then
just need to grind the saberstalkers out; could group it but I think
you get far lower claws droprate and I want those for buying rewards,
hmm. I really can't solo more than single pulls though so I guess I'll
have to find a group sometime soon... should go fairly quickly I
hope!

Peter T.

2015-07-05 13:19:39 UTC

Post by Peter T.
Finally Pathfinder.
Flying skill should be accessible in PTR in 1-3 weeks. So 1-1½ month
from now?

When 6.2 went live and I learned about the saberstalkers I decided to do
the rep and claw farm on my warlock. The void tank is amazing for the
job. And when I hit 660ish in ilvl I was able to solo the prime boss in
the arena.
Honestly. Warlocks are simply made for soloing big things. Even the 4
rares that drops the mounts. Today I soloed the first 75-80% percent of
Terrorfist before other players joined thanks to my void tank. :)

--
Peter T.

Catriona R

2015-07-05 13:29:50 UTC

Post by Peter T.
When 6.2 went live and I learned about the saberstalkers I decided to do
the rep and claw farm on my warlock. The void tank is amazing for the
job. And when I hit 660ish in ilvl I was able to solo the prime boss in
the arena.
Honestly. Warlocks are simply made for soloing big things. Even the 4
rares that drops the mounts. Today I soloed the first 75-80% percent of
Terrorfist before other players joined thanks to my void tank. :)

Heh nice one, my lock isn't 100 yet so that's out hehe, disc priest it
is for me, not bad but slooowww on big stuff :-) Worth remembering
that when I do lvl my warlock though, should be handy for big stuff!

There's a fair few people overestimate their ability vs the named
elites in that place lol, whenever I have the weekly quest I just hang
around and wait for someone to summon them, mostly I then save them by
healing them as they're getting owned lol ;-) I'm impressed if warlock
can solo those, even death knights seem to have trouble!

unknown

2015-07-05 15:45:11 UTC

Heh nice one, my lock isn't 100 yet so that's out hehe, disc priest it
is for me, not bad but slooowww on big stuff :-) Worth remembering
that when I do lvl my warlock though, should be handy for big stuff!
There's a fair few people overestimate their ability vs the named
elites in that place lol, whenever I have the weekly quest I just hang
around and wait for someone to summon them, mostly I then save them by
healing them as they're getting owned lol ;-) I'm impressed if warlock
can solo those, even death knights seem to have trouble!

They are obliterators if a bit bursty.
Just keep soulshatter handy. Then at 100 turn on the chaos bolt gatling
cannon..

not played since patch..so maybe nerfed

Peter T.

2015-07-05 17:17:16 UTC

Post by unknown
They are obliterators if a bit bursty.
Just keep soulshatter handy. Then at 100 turn on the chaos bolt gatling
cannon..

Soulshatter? Nah. The void is an aggro magnet. So just keep the pet
alive. Flames of Xoroth on a button near you. Especially 4x chaos
bolts heals the pet massively through the damage spikes. Its all about
pet management. :)

Post by unknown
http://youtu.be/Toxxm8kMUKM
not played since patch..so maybe nerfed

Hehe. I play with original MoP talent settings here. Havent bothered
with talents since I raided in SoO.

--
Peter T.

Lewis

2015-07-05 14:19:14 UTC

Post by Peter T.
<http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/18194503905>

Finally Pathfinder.

I don't understand the comment.

Post by Peter T.
Flying skill should be accessible in PTR in 1-3 weeks. So 1-1½ month
from now?

What's this?

--
"The good news: Hadron Collider went live and did not destroy ALL
reality. Bad: I'm the only one who remembers President Gore's 2 terms."

Peter T.

2015-07-05 14:53:34 UTC

Post by Peter T.
<http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/18194503905>

Finally Pathfinder.

I don't understand the comment.

The pathfinder achievement is required for the flying skill in Draenor.
You can check your char's progression here:

<http://www.wowhead.com/flying>

Post by Peter T.
Flying skill should be accessible in PTR in 1-3 weeks. So 1-1½ month
from now?

What's this?

The flying skill is not available at this moment. But it should be
accessible with the next minor patch (6.2.1 probably).

--
Peter T.

Lewis

2015-07-05 15:36:37 UTC

Post by Peter T.
<http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/18194503905>

Finally Pathfinder.

I don't understand the comment.

The pathfinder achievement is required for the flying skill in Draenor.

Ah. Last I heard they were never ever going to allow flying. In response
to a thread on gimping garrisons again I found it confusing.

Post by Peter T.
<http://www.wowhead.com/flying>

I've stopped playing and am unlikely to start again. Although the lack
of flying is certainly one of the reasons I dislike this patch and the
current game, it is by no means the only one.

--
'Luck is my middle name,' said Rincewind, indistinctly. 'Mind you, my
first name is Bad.' --Interesting Times

Lewis

2015-07-06 04:53:52 UTC

Post by Peter T.
<http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/18194503905>

Finally Pathfinder.

I don't understand the comment.

The pathfinder achievement is required for the flying skill in Draenor.

Ah. Last I heard they were never ever going to allow flying. In response
to a thread on gimping garrisons again I found it confusing.

Post by Peter T.
<http://www.wowhead.com/flying>

I've stopped playing and am unlikely to start again. Although the lack
of flying is certainly one of the reasons I dislike this patch and the
current game, it is by no means the only one.

I looked at that achievement.

Obviously, they really do not want to allow anyone to fly. The
requirements for it are... well, the phrase "user hostile" comes to
mind.

Fucking hell, Blizzard, have all the sane people left for better
companies?

--
Never age. Never die. Live for ever in that one last white-hot moment,
when the crowd screamed. When every note was a heartbeat. Burn across
the sky. You will never grow old. They will never say you died. --Soul
Music

Peter T.

2015-07-06 10:01:14 UTC

Post by Lewis
I looked at that achievement.
Obviously, they really do not want to allow anyone to fly. The
requirements for it are... well, the phrase "user hostile" comes to
mind.

I disagree. The first parts are quite easy. Casual players should have
done those months ago. Then there is some classic rep farming in
Tanaan. Two of the factions is done in 9-10 days if you do the dailies
every day. That is pretty fast imho. The third faction - Saberstalkers
- is pure rep killing with a single weekly quest.
Okay. The saberstalkers mobs can be tough for some classes while other
classes eat them for breakfast. There are loads of saberstalker groups
in the LFG finder window. :)

According to Blizzard flying is not just by setting a flag in the game.
Flying was never intended in this expansion. So they're preparing the
environment for the flying part as there are still a few subzones which
shouldnt be accessible due to the lore and storyline + some other
in-game obstacles which needs to be cleared.

--
Peter T.

Catriona R

2015-07-06 13:15:29 UTC

Post by Peter T.
I disagree. The first parts are quite easy. Casual players should have
done those months ago. Then there is some classic rep farming in
Tanaan. Two of the factions is done in 9-10 days if you do the dailies
every day. That is pretty fast imho. The third faction - Saberstalkers
- is pure rep killing with a single weekly quest.
Okay. The saberstalkers mobs can be tough for some classes while other
classes eat them for breakfast. There are loads of saberstalker groups
in the LFG finder window. :)

Yep, Saberstalkers is the only one I've not yet done, even that has a
1.5k rep weekly you can do if you're allergic to grouping with randoms
(like me hehe), but even I'll probably get round to joining a group
for a bit of farming. And even I, in healer spec, can kill the
elites... just slowly, and only one at a time lol, if I get adds it
means breaking out every cd I have available ;-)

Post by Peter T.
According to Blizzard flying is not just by setting a flag in the game.
Flying was never intended in this expansion. So they're preparing the
environment for the flying part as there are still a few subzones which
shouldnt be accessible due to the lore and storyline + some other
in-game obstacles which needs to be cleared.

I believe they weren't sure if it was intended or not, so it's not
like the old world that was totally not designed for it with holes in
the world and the like, but they do need to sort a few details and
invisible walls out, yep.Frankly I was happy with no flying, got used
to it easily enough, but if it's going to be allowed I like the way
they've chosen to do it, feels kinda like the old-style attunement
quests, only soloable this time, it's fun :-)

Peter T.

2015-07-06 19:27:16 UTC

Post by Catriona R
Yep, Saberstalkers is the only one I've not yet done, even that has a
1.5k rep weekly

3.5K with tradepost rep bonus only. But if you set up your banner
before you hand in the weekly you get 4.2K. I dont know why, but it
worked for me last wednesday. The banner trick doesnt work in Lion's
Watch/Wol'mar.

--
Peter T.

Peter T.

2015-07-08 11:02:47 UTC

Post by Catriona R
Yep, Saberstalkers is the only one I've not yet done, even that has a
1.5k rep weekly

Oh well. Seems Blizzard has buffed the weekly rep from 3500 to 4200.
So its unaffacted by the rep banner.

--
Peter T.

Catriona R

2015-07-08 14:43:31 UTC

Post by Catriona R
Yep, Saberstalkers is the only one I've not yet done, even that has a
1.5k rep weekly

Oh well. Seems Blizzard has buffed the weekly rep from 3500 to 4200.
So its unaffacted by the rep banner.

700 on top of 3500, that's 20% - sounds like the trading post 20% buff
wasn't working and they fixed it :-) Just got that myself, nice bonus!
Even if I don't bother farming saberon I'll be revered and ready for
flying in 2 weeks then, and I do kill the odd one as I pass by
anyway...

Lewis

2015-07-06 18:45:31 UTC

Post by Lewis
I looked at that achievement.
Obviously, they really do not want to allow anyone to fly. The
requirements for it are... well, the phrase "user hostile" comes to
mind.

How many treasures do you need to find? How many of these involve
annoyingly idiotic jumping and timing and tightrope walking and other
bullshit designed to try to make the game a twitch game?

Climb up here, and run here on a fast mount and jump precisely here to
land on that pixel over there and then run across that rope and drop
down onto that moving platform while waving your left pinky and then
you'll get a treasure.

OK, I exaggerate, but not as much as you might think. I remember how damn
annoying the chests on timeless isle were, and many in WoD are much
worse.

Post by Peter T.
Okay. The saberstalkers mobs can be tough for some classes while other
classes eat them for breakfast. There are loads of saberstalker groups
in the LFG finder window. :)
According to Blizzard flying is not just by setting a flag in the game.
Flying was never intended in this expansion.

Yes, because of STUPID decisions made years ago. Decisions they were TOLD
were stupid, but they ignored, instead listening to the dumbass assholes
who have a very narrow view of the game and insist that anyone who
doesn't play the game like they do is "wrong". People like one poster I
recall who insisted that if you were not walking everywhere, you were
playing wrong. Not walking as in on foot, but walking as in on foot in
walking mode. He (or she) claimed running everywhere was "cheating".

Sure, if you want to walk from SW to Booty Bay, go right ahead. No one
is stopping you. Telling me I'm a cheater for mounting up makes you a
total dick.

Post by Peter T.
So they're preparing the environment for the flying part as there are
still a few subzones which shouldnt be accessible due to the lore and
storyline + some other in-game obstacles which needs to be cleared.

A self-inflicted problem created entirely by their stupid decision.

Nothing I've seen in WoD has made me want to resubscribe, and many
things Blizzard has done makes me wish for the demise of the company as
soon as possible so that some other company that doesn't hate their user
base can fill the void.

--
History has a habit of changing the people who think they are changing
it.

Catriona R

2015-07-06 18:54:11 UTC

On Mon, 6 Jul 2015 18:45:31 +0000 (UTC), Lewis

Post by Lewis
I looked at that achievement.
Obviously, they really do not want to allow anyone to fly. The
requirements for it are... well, the phrase "user hostile" comes to
mind.

How many treasures do you need to find? How many of these involve
annoyingly idiotic jumping and timing and tightrope walking and other
bullshit designed to try to make the game a twitch game?

You need to find 100, there are well oer 200 available (I got the 200
achievement with plenty left), and I'm fairly sure it's only about 10%
of those 200+ that are annoying, not 50% ;-)

Post by Lewis
Climb up here, and run here on a fast mount and jump precisely here to
land on that pixel over there and then run across that rope and drop
down onto that moving platform while waving your left pinky and then
you'll get a treasure.
OK, I exaggerate, but not as much as you might think. I remember how damn
annoying the chests on timeless isle were, and many in WoD are much
worse.

I'm with you there; did them all on my main, not bothering with a lot
on alts till flying is in lol, I suck at precision jumping. Doing them
once was fun though, especially as only a few are that bad, felt like
an achievement to actually get them in the end!

Lewis

2015-07-06 19:49:30 UTC

Post by Catriona R
On Mon, 6 Jul 2015 18:45:31 +0000 (UTC), Lewis

Post by Lewis
I looked at that achievement.
Obviously, they really do not want to allow anyone to fly. The
requirements for it are... well, the phrase "user hostile" comes to
mind.

How many treasures do you need to find? How many of these involve
annoyingly idiotic jumping and timing and tightrope walking and other
bullshit designed to try to make the game a twitch game?

You need to find 100, there are well oer 200 available (I got the 200
achievement with plenty left), and I'm fairly sure it's only about 10%
of those 200+ that are annoying, not 50% ;-)

90% of the ones I saw required gymnastics to get to.

But the point is that Blizzard has decided that in order to use most of
my mounts (most of mine are flying mounts) I have to play an *entirely*
different game than the game I used to play.

--
Good old Dame Fortune. You can _depend_ on her.

Catriona R

2015-07-06 19:56:52 UTC

On Mon, 6 Jul 2015 19:49:30 +0000 (UTC), Lewis

Post by Lewis
But the point is that Blizzard has decided that in order to use most of
my mounts (most of mine are flying mounts) I have to play an *entirely*
different game than the game I used to play.

Yeah, I wish they'd stuck with their first option of not re-adding it
at all, would be far less hassle, than having to listen to even more
moaning about it...

Catriona R

2015-07-06 13:11:31 UTC

On Mon, 6 Jul 2015 04:53:52 +0000 (UTC), Lewis

Post by Lewis
Obviously, they really do not want to allow anyone to fly. The
requirements for it are... well, the phrase "user hostile" comes to
mind.

Not really, the idea is clearly that they want people to actually
experience the content they've designed, and I think it works great
for that. I completed all the pre-6.2 requirements months ago, and I'm
2/3 of the way through the 6.2 reps now, it's not hard at all.

Anyone who's actually played the game more than just sitting in
dungeon/raid queues for the last 6 months should be most of the way
there, and anyone who's really nowhere near it doesn't play in the
outside world enough to even need flying...

Lewis

2015-07-06 18:54:07 UTC

Post by Catriona R
On Mon, 6 Jul 2015 04:53:52 +0000 (UTC), Lewis

Post by Lewis
Obviously, they really do not want to allow anyone to fly. The
requirements for it are... well, the phrase "user hostile" comes to
mind.

Not really, the idea is clearly that they want people to actually
experience the content they've designed,

They want to FORCE players to play a specific way. It is not a way I am
at all interested in playing. No, I do not want to wander around
looking for chests. No, i do not care about exploring every corner of
the map after hitting level 100. No, I don not give a damn about
building faction rep with factions that are entirely meaningless to me.

I also don't care about lore, and never have.

And yet, up until WoD, I had played for a decade and enjoyed playing
*my* way. So Blizzard telling me "Hey, you know all those mounts you
worked to get? If you ever want to use most of them, you have to go play
like WE WANT, screw how you've played for the last decade."

Post by Catriona R
and I think it works great
for that. I completed all the pre-6.2 requirements months ago, and I'm
2/3 of the way through the 6.2 reps now, it's not hard at all.

The treasures are certainly going to be hard because I don't want to do
them. Wandering around Frost Fire ridge for *no reason* is going to be
damn annoying, and is pointless.

Post by Catriona R
Anyone who's actually played the game more than just sitting in
dungeon/raid queues for the last 6 months

And what is wrong with that? Or working on your garrison? Or simply not
carrying about exploring every corner of the map? Why is Blizzard
insisting that I change how I play the game to use my mounts?

Post by Catriona R
should be most of the way
there, and anyone who's really nowhere near it doesn't play in the
outside world enough to even need flying...

Need? Need has nothing to do with it. No one NEEDS flying. Or mounts at
all. Or flight points.

--
IT DOES NOT SUCK TO BE YOU Bart chalkboard Ep. AABF13

Catriona R

2015-07-06 19:55:39 UTC

On Mon, 6 Jul 2015 18:54:07 +0000 (UTC), Lewis

Post by Catriona R
On Mon, 6 Jul 2015 04:53:52 +0000 (UTC), Lewis

Post by Lewis
Obviously, they really do not want to allow anyone to fly. The
requirements for it are... well, the phrase "user hostile" comes to
mind.

Not really, the idea is clearly that they want people to actually
experience the content they've designed,

They want to FORCE players to play a specific way. It is not a way I am
at all interested in playing.

Well then don't :-) Nobody's forcing you, it's entirely your choice;
either do the requirements, or don't fly, simple enough. Doesn't sound
like you do anything at all where having flying would benefit you, so
what's it matter?

Post by Lewis
And yet, up until WoD, I had played for a decade and enjoyed playing
*my* way. So Blizzard telling me "Hey, you know all those mounts you
worked to get? If you ever want to use most of them, you have to go play
like WE WANT, screw how you've played for the last decade."

They still work just fine on the ground, so what's it matter? Uou
apparently don't do any content in the outside world where you'd be
flying anyway...

Post by Catriona R
and I think it works great
for that. I completed all the pre-6.2 requirements months ago, and I'm
2/3 of the way through the 6.2 reps now, it's not hard at all.

The treasures are certainly going to be hard because I don't want to do
them. Wandering around Frost Fire ridge for *no reason* is going to be
damn annoying, and is pointless.

Your choice, I find getting a whole load of gold, resources, DE'able
items and the like for doing a little exploring to be "fun". If it's
not fun to you, don't do it, nobpdy's holding a gun to your head.

Post by Catriona R
should be most of the way
there, and anyone who's really nowhere near it doesn't play in the
outside world enough to even need flying...

Need? Need has nothing to do with it. No one NEEDS flying.

That, I agree with, wish they hadn't added it back since all it
acheived is even MORE tantrums... *sigh*.

Lewis

2015-07-06 20:10:05 UTC

Post by Catriona R
On Mon, 6 Jul 2015 18:54:07 +0000 (UTC), Lewis

Post by Catriona R
On Mon, 6 Jul 2015 04:53:52 +0000 (UTC), Lewis

Post by Lewis
Obviously, they really do not want to allow anyone to fly. The
requirements for it are... well, the phrase "user hostile" comes to
mind.

Not really, the idea is clearly that they want people to actually
experience the content they've designed,

They want to FORCE players to play a specific way. It is not a way I am
at all interested in playing.

Well then don't :-) Nobody's forcing you, it's entirely your choice;

Yes, play like Blizzard has decided I must play or don't use the mounts
I've earned and paid for.

Post by Catriona R
either do the requirements, or don't fly, simple enough. Doesn't sound
like you do anything at all where having flying would benefit you, so
what's it matter?

1) I like flying. I often do it just because I like doing it. I will fly
instead of taking a flight-path quite often.

2) I spent a lot of time (and some money) getting those mounts and I
want to use them.

3) Walking around on a dragon is stupid.

4) Having my dragon dive into the water is stupid. Having my hoverboard
dive into the water is even stupider.

They still work just fine on the ground, so what's it matter?

No, many of them do not work at all on the ground because they are too
big. You get stuck on a fence you can't even see, or something equally
stupid.

Post by Catriona R
That, I agree with, wish they hadn't added it back since all it
acheived is even MORE tantrums... *sigh*.

They should never have taken it away in the first place. Their many
stupid decisions for WoD is why the game is failing and hemorrhaging
subscribers. They got a little bump with the expansion, but have now
dropped even lower than before.

They had 10 million subscribers at the end of last year. It will be a
fucking miracle if they have more than 50% of that at the end of this
year.

Their second quarter earnings report should be next month, and I bet
that it will be in the 5 million range, if not lower.

The last time I logged in (about 5 weeks ago) the server was a
wasteland.

--
I can't die, I haven't seen The Jolson Story

Peter T.

2015-07-06 20:43:54 UTC

Post by Lewis
They want to FORCE players to play a specific way. It is not a way I am
at all interested in playing.

Well then don't :-) Nobody's forcing you, it's entirely your choice;

Yes, play like Blizzard has decided I must play or don't use the mounts
I've earned and paid for.

Blizzard sets the rules. If we dont like them we quit.

Post by Lewis
No, many of them do not work at all on the ground because they are too
big. You get stuck on a fence you can't even see, or something equally
stupid.

Hehe. There are LOTS of obstacles when riding around. Pretty annoying.

Post by Lewis
The last time I logged in (about 5 weeks ago) the server was a
wasteland.

Maybe due to multiple phases? I dont know what Blizzard are doing or
thinking atm. But there are several stances of the _same_ phases going
on on the realms atm. And this causes some big annoyances for many players.
I can see a rare on the minimap. When I walk closer it disappears.
When I walk away it reappears. If I join a raid I sometimes cant loot
as CRZ and phases somehow clashes together and fucks up things.

Blizzard are talking about releasing new expansions more frequently.
Maybe like a new xpac every year. So we probably get a new expansion
around Blizzcon in november this year. What we can and will expect is
expansions with even more bugs than we see now...

--
Peter T.

Catriona R

2015-07-06 21:01:09 UTC

On Mon, 6 Jul 2015 20:10:05 +0000 (UTC), Lewis

Post by Catriona R
Well then don't :-) Nobody's forcing you, it's entirely your choice;

Yes, play like Blizzard has decided I must play or don't use the mounts
I've earned and paid for.

Well that surely beats not having the option at all, right? I'd have
thought the choice being added was a good thing for you, compared with
it being fixed as not available at all...

Post by Lewis
1) I like flying. I often do it just because I like doing it. I will fly
instead of taking a flight-path quite often.
2) I spent a lot of time (and some money) getting those mounts and I
want to use them.
3) Walking around on a dragon is stupid.
4) Having my dragon dive into the water is stupid. Having my hoverboard
dive into the water is even stupider.

Haha true :-) I don't like how they look on the ground myself, I just
don't really care, since there's more content in Pandaria and
Northrend than in Draenor anyway, I go to those continents to fly and
use my nice, otherwise unused, ground mounts in Draenor - it's
actually been nice seeing ground mounts again recently after years of
never going near them; there's some really nice ones out there!

Post by Lewis
They should never have taken it away in the first place. Their many
stupid decisions for WoD is why the game is failing and hemorrhaging
subscribers. They got a little bump with the expansion, but have now
dropped even lower than before.

They've made a lot of stupid decisions, yes, WoD sucks in comparison
to past expansions. But I don't think flying was one of them; it
really is so unimportant that I don't even see why so many people (on
both sides) throw massive tantrums over it, really, there's far more
important things they've ruined yet all the focus is on stupid flying.

Post by Lewis
They had 10 million subscribers at the end of last year. It will be a
fucking miracle if they have more than 50% of that at the end of this
year.
Their second quarter earnings report should be next month, and I bet
that it will be in the 5 million range, if not lower.

Nah, it'll be sitting at around 6.5-7k, same as usual; that's the core
subscriber base who never unsub, didn't quit even after 14 months of
SoO, etc. Especially with Tanaan patch releasing before the end of the
quarter, a few have returned for it, my server's increased in
population the last few weeks, nothing like it was at WoD launch but
that's a good thing, we were stupidly overpopulated then.

I'm totally not impressed with this expansion, but yeah, flying is
such a pointless thing to get hung up on, when the things that
actually are killing the game get overlooked. Things like... no
content outside of raids/pvp for the first 6 months of release. So
much stuff in the garrison that you never had a reason to leave it.
LFR getting nerfed into pointlessness. professions being completely
gutted. Etc etc... being in the air would hardly make up for the
extreme lack of anything to actually do at launch!

Tanaan has helped on the content front, in all fairness, but it needed
to be in 6 months ago. As it is, with this being supposedly the last
major patch, it's a complete failure of an expansion as far as I'm
concerned, and I'm normally a big fan of this game. And if this really
is the last major patch, yet whatever's next isn't even announced, is
it going to be another 14+ months of THIS?? Even the core subscribers
won't hang around if that's the case...

Peter T.

2015-07-06 21:20:51 UTC

Post by Catriona R
Tanaan has helped on the content front, in all fairness, but it needed
to be in 6 months ago. As it is, with this being supposedly the last
major patch, it's a complete failure of an expansion as far as I'm
concerned, and I'm normally a big fan of this game. And if this really
is the last major patch, yet whatever's next isn't even announced, is
it going to be another 14+ months of THIS?? Even the core subscribers
won't hang around if that's the case...

It feels like Blizzard is trying to make a template for the upcoming
expansions. The Timeless Isle idea is fine at the end of a expansion so
seasonal and casual players tastes the feeling of wearing superior
raid'ish gear (timeless and baleful gear).
In my eyes WoD is an experiment. I have seen some good things and some
bad things in the xpac. But Blizzard needs to think outside the box as
the main concept has become more mainstream and slick than ever before.

--
Peter T.

Catriona R

2015-07-06 21:44:18 UTC

It does indeed feel experimental, I'm not convinced it's worked. I
agree there are indeed some good things (I actually really like quest
rewards auto upgrading, ability to reroll stats on crafted gear,
treasure all over the place, and the questing experience from 90-100,
for a start), but the overall experience is a big disappointment for
my playstyle, at least. Perhaps it works better for the more
raid/focussed types, but I'm a mainly solo player, who likes story,
questlines, and generally not feeling like my content is an
afterthought shoved in at the last minute with no actual effort given
to making it entertaining...

It'll be interesting to see where it goes next, if they're actually
making expansions shorter (rather than just emptier for the same
amount of time), perhaps it may work, but this one's been far too
empty, the next one needs more content. I really can't see it coming
that soon though, there's not even been hints of leaks yet, if it was
to launch around Blizzcon time it should be entering alpha by now
(probably beta), yet not even a hint - they won't announce it till
Blizzcon I reckon, so at best we might get it summer 2016 instead of
winter... so, a year of Tanaan jungle then. Hope I'm wrong.

Also hope they look at the pricing; I paid more for WoD (not sure if
every country got the increased prices?) than any previous expansion,
us in the UK also got a sub price increase on top of that, yet we got
far less content - paying more, more often, and getting less, isn't
going to make customers happy - I've already decided to only upgrade
one of my two accounts to the next expansion, will only follow with
the 2nd account if it seems worth the money this time; if it's another
WoD I'll just transfer my shaman to my main account and close the 2nd
one/maintain it via gold if token prices come down a bit. Not worth
spending RL money on 2 accounts as things stand, and this is coming
from someone who's had 2 accounts continuously subbed for 8 years (10+
years on my main account) and previously bought everything without
question through *knowing* I'd like it just because it was Blizzard...
that trust is now gone :-(

unknown

2015-07-07 05:16:41 UTC

Post by Lewis
Their second quarter earnings report should be next month, and I bet
that it will be in the 5 million range, if not lower.

It need not matter anyway. I am not playing but have gold-bought tokens
sufficient to play well into next year.
Somebody paid $ for them.

=IF= the core are happy to pay more $ NOT to play grinding then the sub
numbers don't matter as much to the all important bottom line.
As F2P knows people will often pay a lot more $ if they feel it is
their choice to spend and get something NOW.
We token buyers are just F2P background noise AI mobs for the paying
clients :-)

Urbin

2015-07-07 06:34:40 UTC

Post by Lewis
Obviously, they really do not want to allow anyone to fly. The
requirements for it are... well, the phrase "user hostile" comes to
mind.

Not really, the idea is clearly that they want people to actually
experience the content they've designed,

I think that is what it comes down to in the end.

There have always been two types of players. On the one hand those who
really like the immersion, enjoy the lore and see it as a story of which
they are part. On the other hand there are the people who don't care much
about the lore/immersion part but just enjoy the challenges of the multi
player game and the various things you can do in the world regardless of how
it inegrates into the story line.

It seems that Blizzard is taking the stance of "we spent so much time
creating all this content, we want our players to experience it fully" and
feel that players would miss out on a lot if the had flying from the start.

To the first group of players (Catriona and I certainly belong to that) this
decision makes sense and fulfilling the requirements for flying are probably
something we would have completed as part of our normal play anyway.

To the second group (Lewis belongs to it), this decision must appear as
Lewis describes it: An unfriendly attempt to force them into playing the
game in a way they don't enjoy.

While to me, this isn't the case, I can fully understand how annoying this
must be.

Ever since flying had been introduced, there had been complaints about it
being gated and those complaints became even louder with WotLK where
something we had grown used to was taken away.

Personally, I thought the requirement to get to max level and paying a hefty
fee (like in BC and WotLK) was ok. I also think it is enough to "force" the
first character to walk to max level and let alts fly from the start would
be the sensible compromise. This would allow the second group to reach max
level any way they like (e.g. by running dungeons exclusively) and then get
access to flying. And the first group - levelling by questing - would get it
the same way, by playing the game the way they play it.

Forcing people to play the game in "group 1" mode is certainly unfriendly to
group 2.

As to the dropping subscriptions, I think it might also be the case that the
novelty of WoW has just run its course. I played the game for over five
years and still enjoyed it (mostly by satisfying my completionist streak)
but in the end, it was just "more of the same" and I imagine at one point
this gets boring for everyone. Adding a new expansion to a game that should
integrate with it enough to be the same game but be new enough to attract
people for a prolonged time is no mean feat and I am impressed that Blizzard
has pulled it off so many times, I guess failing with WoD is just something
that had to happen...

Cheers
Urbin

Catriona R

2015-07-07 09:08:20 UTC

Post by Urbin
There have always been two types of players.

<snip a whole lot of good stuff>

This is one of those times when I wish Usenet had a Facebook-esque
"like" feature, as that's what your post deserves ;-) Thanks, that
explained the two sides well, as I was really only understanding my
own viewpoint, and couldn't really understand Lewis's side well; your
explanation was clear enough for me to "get" it a bit better!

Post by Urbin
As to the dropping subscriptions, I think it might also be the case that the
novelty of WoW has just run its course. I played the game for over five
years and still enjoyed it (mostly by satisfying my completionist streak)
but in the end, it was just "more of the same" and I imagine at one point
this gets boring for everyone. Adding a new expansion to a game that should
integrate with it enough to be the same game but be new enough to attract
people for a prolonged time is no mean feat and I am impressed that Blizzard
has pulled it off so many times, I guess failing with WoD is just something
that had to happen...

From my viewpoint it feels as though the problem with WoD is that it's
*not* "more of the same", actually - they removed/gutted most of what
I enjoyed in the past, and what little remains wasn't substantial
enough to satisfy my playstyle. If we'd had more Isle of
Thunder/Molten Front/Pandaria 5.1 storylines type content, my interest
would've held up a lot better than it has done.

Now the "more of the same" argument would I imagine be more applicable
to pvp and raiding, as I don't think there's much new in either of
them, but not a lot got removed either (unless LFR was your raiding of
choice, as it was mine...), but my playstyle would've very much liked
more of the same! ;-)

Lewis

2015-07-07 18:18:29 UTC

Post by Urbin
There have always been two types of players.

<snip a whole lot of good stuff>
This is one of those times when I wish Usenet had a Facebook-esque
"like" feature, as that's what your post deserves ;-) Thanks, that
explained the two sides well, as I was really only understanding my
own viewpoint, and couldn't really understand Lewis's side well; your
explanation was clear enough for me to "get" it a bit better!

You want to know the real problem with MoD?

I agree with everything you said there. So they missed wildly on both of
their player types. For me, WoD was dull *and* annoying.

Post by Catriona R
If we'd had more Isle of
Thunder/Molten Front/Pandaria 5.1 storylines type content, my interest
would've held up a lot better than it has done.

TBC was clearly the best expansion, and WoD is clearly the worst since
they gutted the game.

Post by Catriona R
Now the "more of the same" argument would I imagine be more applicable
to pvp and raiding, as I don't think there's much new in either of
them,

PVP is very different (and in my opinion is a stupidly annoying shitty
way) and now absolutely requires that you carry a second set of
equipment.

Post by Catriona R
but not a lot got removed either (unless LFR was your raiding of
choice, as it was mine...), but my playstyle would've very much liked
more of the same! ;-)

The removal of LFR was certainly a huge detriment to me. Blizzard keeps
making abig deal out of things and then crippling them or removing them.

LFR: gone
Being able to improve toon through PVP and Raid: gone
Any level of difficulty: gone
Guild perks and leveling: gone
Garrisons: not gone yet, but already announced as a dead end
Leveling toons: pretty much dead and gone

As for difficulty, Blizzard seems to be very confused and considers that
making something tedious and repetitive is "difficult" whereas I
consider "difficult" to be something that requires mental effort.

For example, collecting dinosaur bones on the island north of Panderia
is by no means difficult. it is a mindless bot-able task that you have
to grind tghrough, mindlessly, for 10,000 bones if you want the mount.

There is no challenge involved in doing the same thing over and over
again, but Blizzard thinks that repition is the same as challenging.

--
This is our music from the bachelor's den, the sound of loneliness
turned up to ten. A harsh soundtrack from a stagnant waterbed and it
sounds just like this. This is the sound of someone losing the plot
making out that they're OK when they're not. You're gonna like it, but
not a lot. And the chorus goes like this...

Catriona R

2015-07-07 19:53:34 UTC

On Tue, 7 Jul 2015 18:18:29 +0000 (UTC), Lewis

Post by Catriona R
From my viewpoint it feels as though the problem with WoD is that it's
*not* "more of the same", actually - they removed/gutted most of what
I enjoyed in the past, and what little remains wasn't substantial
enough to satisfy my playstyle.

You want to know the real problem with MoD?
I agree with everything you said there. So they missed wildly on both of
their player types. For me, WoD was dull *and* annoying.

Yeah, you and I have almost zero in common in how we play the game so
who knows who they were trying to aim it at, if it's failed this badly
for us both :-)

Post by Catriona R
If we'd had more Isle of
Thunder/Molten Front/Pandaria 5.1 storylines type content, my interest
would've held up a lot better than it has done.

TBC was clearly the best expansion, and WoD is clearly the worst since
they gutted the game.

Hehe now that's where we differ; MoP was by far the best for my
playstyle. That's not to say I don't have the most nostalgia for TBC;
I do, but it didn't have close to as much compelling content for my
preferred playstyle - at that time I did group more and so loved it,
but going back to it now, as a far more solo-orientated person than I
was then, I'd be rather bored. It'd still beat WoD though...

Post by Catriona R
but not a lot got removed either (unless LFR was your raiding of
choice, as it was mine...), but my playstyle would've very much liked
more of the same! ;-)

The removal of LFR was certainly a huge detriment to me. Blizzard keeps
making abig deal out of things and then crippling them or removing them.

Yep. I could understand (though disagree with) some nerfing to LFR, in
at least giving less powerful sets to stop the raiders moaning that
they "had" to do it to get their set bonuses. No excuse for making it
so easy you can ignore all mechanics though, nor for making the gear
look worse than quest greens - I'd have thought that having *nice* yet
different looks would be a positive, as transmog fans might run LFR
for fun then! As it stands, I've not killed Blackhand yet, nor found
any enthusiasm for Hellfire Citadel, I suppose I should do it but it
feels so pointless; the 4 difficulties means the gear's really crap
too, I've got equal or better in half my slots already...

Post by Lewis
LFR: gone
Being able to improve toon through PVP and Raid: gone
Any level of difficulty: gone
Guild perks and leveling: gone
Garrisons: not gone yet, but already announced as a dead end
Leveling toons: pretty much dead and gone

Yep. Also scenarios: gone, professions: gutted, ongoing storyline at
endgame: nonexistent...

Post by Lewis
As for difficulty, Blizzard seems to be very confused and considers that
making something tedious and repetitive is "difficult" whereas I
consider "difficult" to be something that requires mental effort.

Yeah, I look for my own challenges now; duoing lvl 100 dungeons is
kinda fun ;-) Ironman levelling is fun as well, just a shame there's
not so much challenge in the main game!

Post by Lewis
For example, collecting dinosaur bones on the island north of Panderia
is by no means difficult. it is a mindless bot-able task that you have
to grind tghrough, mindlessly, for 10,000 bones if you want the mount.
There is no challenge involved in doing the same thing over and over
again, but Blizzard thinks that repition is the same as challenging.

Well in fairness, that's not new, thing is we had for a while moved
away from endless grinding for reputation and the like. I know not all
(including you, I think :-)) were fans of dailies for reputation, but
I for one liked them infinitely better than grinding mobs at 5 rep per
kill, which is what we got for the 6.0 factions... felt like we'd gone
back in time 10 years, and not in a good way.

Lewis

2015-07-07 20:52:14 UTC

Post by Catriona R
Well in fairness, that's not new, thing is we had for a while moved
away from endless grinding for reputation and the like. I know not all
(including you, I think :-)) were fans of dailies for reputation, but
I for one liked them infinitely better than grinding mobs at 5 rep per
kill, which is what we got for the 6.0 factions... felt like we'd gone
back in time 10 years, and not in a good way.

I did a lot of dailies, especially in TBC and MOP because even though I
hated the grind, the rewards were at least more than cosmetic. I ground
ogre rep in TBC to exalted to get the Crossbow, which was the second
best ranged weapon in the game at the time.

Of course, the same week I got that I got the bow off the last boss in
Kara... (I never did get the Axe out of Kara from the LRRH event).

But I wasn't doing the dailes just for something meaningless like rep or
a new mount, but for actually good gear.

We'd run the Tempest keep instances over and over to the point where
they were not challenging because we knew exactly what we were doing.
But if we didn't pay attention, we'd still die.

Again, we did that for the JP pogs to buy actually useful gear.

Grinding for something that helps you has never been my problem, but
grinding for a random drop or for a vanity item? No thanks.

(I did grind the rep for the Wintersabre mount, but at the time there
was not much to do in the game and I figured out exactly what I had to
do to get the mount in 3 weeks, but in general I don't do that).

Right now, I don't think there is any piece of gear worth grinding for.
You either need whole sets, or else there are 20 items that are nearly
identical and since you really don't know if Mastery is better than Dex
(or whatever the stat-o-the-day is) ...

--
It's better to burn out than it is to rust -- Neil Young as quoted be
Kurt Cobain

Catriona R

2015-07-07 21:47:27 UTC

On Tue, 7 Jul 2015 20:52:14 +0000 (UTC), Lewis

Post by Lewis
I did a lot of dailies, especially in TBC and MOP because even though I
hated the grind, the rewards were at least more than cosmetic. I ground
ogre rep in TBC to exalted to get the Crossbow, which was the second
best ranged weapon in the game at the time.
Of course, the same week I got that I got the bow off the last boss in
Kara... (I never did get the Axe out of Kara from the LRRH event).

Argh, how typical :-)

Post by Lewis
But I wasn't doing the dailes just for something meaningless like rep or
a new mount, but for actually good gear.

Yep. That got changed because people whined that it was "compulsory"
to do the dailies to gear up, and Blizz overreacted to it. What the
*actual* problem was, was when valor gear was gated behind rep: all
they had to do was to revert to the model which worked fine in TBC,
Wrath and Cata, where valor/justice gear was on a non-rep vendor, and
the factions had actually useful stuff too - good items, recipes, ok I
can go with them removing the head enchants from rep (I liked it but
can understand others didn't). But basically it meant the dailies led
to nice gear for us who weren't serious raiders, while not being that
important to those who were, as they got decent gear through valor
anyway, which we got far more slowly. I thought that system worked
well...

Post by Lewis
We'd run the Tempest keep instances over and over to the point where
they were not challenging because we knew exactly what we were doing.
But if we didn't pay attention, we'd still die.
Again, we did that for the JP pogs to buy actually useful gear.
Grinding for something that helps you has never been my problem, but
grinding for a random drop or for a vanity item? No thanks.

Yep. While I'm no fan of grinding dungeons, once they got to the point
where dailies gave you points too (limited!), it suited me just fine.
I love working towards meaningful rewards; even as a pet/mount
collector I find it a whole lot harder to motivate myself for monster
grinds for those.

Post by Lewis
(I did grind the rep for the Wintersabre mount, but at the time there
was not much to do in the game and I figured out exactly what I had to
do to get the mount in 3 weeks, but in general I don't do that).
Right now, I don't think there is any piece of gear worth grinding for.
You either need whole sets, or else there are 20 items that are nearly
identical and since you really don't know if Mastery is better than Dex
(or whatever the stat-o-the-day is) ...

Yeah, the Apexis gear was rubbish anyway, Tanaan changed things a bit,
you get tokens like the Timeless Isle ones, totally utterly random
what stats you get, but at least with this one, you use the upgrade to
higher llvl item (equivalent to Burden of Eternity) on the item after
it's made, so you see the stats before wasting the upgrade. So better
than it was, but still, not much is actually worth grinding for, at
least I can work on pets and mounts... *sigh*.

John Gordon

2015-07-07 14:03:38 UTC

Post by Urbin
There have always been two types of players. On the one hand those who

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartle_Test

--
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***@panix.com B is for Basil, assaulted by bears
-- Edward Gorey, "The Gashlycrumb Tinies"

Urbin

2015-07-08 08:59:11 UTC

Post by John Gordon

Post by Urbin
There have always been two types of players. On the one hand those who

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartle_Test

Thanks, never heard of it but it sums things up pretty well.

Cheers
Urbin

Lewis

2015-07-09 01:18:30 UTC

Post by John Gordon

Post by Urbin
There have always been two types of players. On the one hand those who

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartle_Test

Thanks, never heard of it but it sums things up pretty well.

I wish there was an online test for that.

--
I CAN BE ROBBED BUT NEVER DENIED, I TOLD MYSELF. WHY WORRY? 'I too
cannot be cheated,' snapped Fate. SO I HAVE HEARD.

Peter T.

2015-07-09 13:45:33 UTC

Post by John Gordon

Post by Urbin
There have always been two types of players. On the one hand those who

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartle_Test

Thanks, never heard of it but it sums things up pretty well.

I wish there was an online test for that.

Gamerdna.com is down atm. But the site has an online test.

<www.gamerdna.com/quizzes/bartle-test-of-gamer-psychology>

--
Peter T.

Catriona R

2015-07-15 16:04:25 UTC