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Proving Grounds - What the fuck???
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Peter T.
2014-11-16 19:42:57 UTC
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Finally I made it to ilvl 610. So I wanted to queue for a heroic, but
couldnt because I have to do Proving Grounds on silver!!!

FUCK YOU BLIZZARD!

Pardon my french... But implementing a pvp aspect in the legendary
questline in MoP was a huge sign of stupidity. It's the same with this
PG requirement. :(

My arcane mage can barely make it to round 7. Round 8 is a no-go even
if I use hero...
--
Peter T.

<https://www.elitedangerous.com/>
Catriona R
2014-11-16 20:01:32 UTC
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Post by Peter T.
Finally I made it to ilvl 610. So I wanted to queue for a heroic, but
couldnt because I have to do Proving Grounds on silver!!!
FUCK YOU BLIZZARD!
Pardon my french... But implementing a pvp aspect in the legendary
questline in MoP was a huge sign of stupidity. It's the same with this
PG requirement. :(
My arcane mage can barely make it to round 7. Round 8 is a no-go even
if I use hero...
You can just form a group the old-fashioned way, no requirements on
queueing that way. Also surprised you can't clear it, since my bf
managed it at 590, while being a bit of a noob, frankly, I was shocked
he did it, maybe just easier for his class though! Not expecting to
get there easily myself, haven't even bothered trying yet...
Peter T.
2014-11-16 20:13:17 UTC
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Post by Catriona R
Post by Peter T.
Finally I made it to ilvl 610. So I wanted to queue for a heroic, but
couldnt because I have to do Proving Grounds on silver!!!
FUCK YOU BLIZZARD!
Pardon my french... But implementing a pvp aspect in the legendary
questline in MoP was a huge sign of stupidity. It's the same with this
PG requirement. :(
My arcane mage can barely make it to round 7. Round 8 is a no-go even
if I use hero...
You can just form a group the old-fashioned way, no requirements on
queueing that way. Also surprised you can't clear it, since my bf
managed it at 590, while being a bit of a noob, frankly, I was shocked
he did it, maybe just easier for his class though! Not expecting to
get there easily myself, haven't even bothered trying yet...
After 8 attempts I finally did it. Yes, you are right. I can form a
group by the traditional way. But that limits my gearing progression as
we will raid as soon as possible.
I remember I seriously struggled with the gold medal in MoP. Arcane is
almost forbidden in Proving Grounds so I used my frost spec. Round 4
and 7 on gold really tickled my temper. I couldnt even get past round 4
on Endless. -.-

I shine in raids on three classes. But here I have to get past a part
of the game that has NOTHING to do with dungeons or raids! And I suck
at Proving Grounds...
--
Peter T.

<https://www.elitedangerous.com/>
Catriona R
2014-11-16 20:50:35 UTC
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Post by Peter T.
Post by Catriona R
Post by Peter T.
Finally I made it to ilvl 610. So I wanted to queue for a heroic, but
couldnt because I have to do Proving Grounds on silver!!!
FUCK YOU BLIZZARD!
Pardon my french... But implementing a pvp aspect in the legendary
questline in MoP was a huge sign of stupidity. It's the same with this
PG requirement. :(
My arcane mage can barely make it to round 7. Round 8 is a no-go even
if I use hero...
You can just form a group the old-fashioned way, no requirements on
queueing that way. Also surprised you can't clear it, since my bf
managed it at 590, while being a bit of a noob, frankly, I was shocked
he did it, maybe just easier for his class though! Not expecting to
get there easily myself, haven't even bothered trying yet...
After 8 attempts I finally did it. Yes, you are right. I can form a
group by the traditional way. But that limits my gearing progression as
we will raid as soon as possible.
I remember I seriously struggled with the gold medal in MoP. Arcane is
almost forbidden in Proving Grounds so I used my frost spec. Round 4
and 7 on gold really tickled my temper. I couldnt even get past round 4
on Endless. -.-
I couldn't even do silver in MoP, the ilvl scaling meant I went from
zero problems with mana to just plain zero mana. Absolutely impossible
to get past bronze as a healer, I hope the scaling has been improved
this time out.
Post by Peter T.
I shine in raids on three classes. But here I have to get past a part
of the game that has NOTHING to do with dungeons or raids! And I suck
at Proving Grounds...
Well if you've got a guild to raid with, you don't need it anyway,
you've got a whole guild full of people to group with and you'll be
outgearing heroics in no time :-) It's people like me who really need
it, since group finder is my endgame...
Cryptoengineer
2014-11-17 01:36:20 UTC
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Post by Catriona R
Post by Peter T.
Post by Catriona R
Post by Peter T.
Finally I made it to ilvl 610. So I wanted to queue for a heroic,
but couldnt because I have to do Proving Grounds on silver!!!
FUCK YOU BLIZZARD!
Pardon my french... But implementing a pvp aspect in the legendary
questline in MoP was a huge sign of stupidity. It's the same with
this PG requirement. :(
My arcane mage can barely make it to round 7. Round 8 is a no-go
even if I use hero...
You can just form a group the old-fashioned way, no requirements on
queueing that way. Also surprised you can't clear it, since my bf
managed it at 590, while being a bit of a noob, frankly, I was
shocked he did it, maybe just easier for his class though! Not
expecting to get there easily myself, haven't even bothered trying
yet...
After 8 attempts I finally did it. Yes, you are right. I can form a
group by the traditional way. But that limits my gearing progression
as we will raid as soon as possible.
I remember I seriously struggled with the gold medal in MoP. Arcane
is almost forbidden in Proving Grounds so I used my frost spec. Round
4 and 7 on gold really tickled my temper. I couldnt even get past
round 4 on Endless. -.-
I couldn't even do silver in MoP, the ilvl scaling meant I went from
zero problems with mana to just plain zero mana. Absolutely impossible
to get past bronze as a healer, I hope the scaling has been improved
this time out.
Post by Peter T.
I shine in raids on three classes. But here I have to get past a part
of the game that has NOTHING to do with dungeons or raids! And I suck
at Proving Grounds...
Well if you've got a guild to raid with, you don't need it anyway,
you've got a whole guild full of people to group with and you'll be
outgearing heroics in no time :-) It's people like me who really need
it, since group finder is my endgame...
Ditto. I'm NOT looking forward to this.

pt
Cryptoengineer
2014-11-17 04:48:16 UTC
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Post by Catriona R
Post by Peter T.
On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 20:42:57 +0100, "Peter T." <pinoc10
@hotmail.cum>
Post by Cryptoengineer
Post by Catriona R
Post by Peter T.
Post by Peter T.
Finally I made it to ilvl 610. So I wanted to queue for a heroic,
but couldnt because I have to do Proving Grounds on silver!!!
FUCK YOU BLIZZARD!
Pardon my french... But implementing a pvp aspect in the
legendary
Post by Cryptoengineer
Post by Catriona R
Post by Peter T.
Post by Peter T.
questline in MoP was a huge sign of stupidity. It's the same with
this PG requirement. :(
My arcane mage can barely make it to round 7. Round 8 is a no-go
even if I use hero...
You can just form a group the old-fashioned way, no requirements on
queueing that way. Also surprised you can't clear it, since my bf
managed it at 590, while being a bit of a noob, frankly, I was
shocked he did it, maybe just easier for his class though! Not
expecting to get there easily myself, haven't even bothered trying
yet...
After 8 attempts I finally did it. Yes, you are right. I can form a
group by the traditional way. But that limits my gearing progression
as we will raid as soon as possible.
I remember I seriously struggled with the gold medal in MoP. Arcane
is almost forbidden in Proving Grounds so I used my frost spec.
Round
Post by Cryptoengineer
Post by Catriona R
Post by Peter T.
4 and 7 on gold really tickled my temper. I couldnt even get past
round 4 on Endless. -.-
I couldn't even do silver in MoP, the ilvl scaling meant I went from
zero problems with mana to just plain zero mana. Absolutely
impossible
Post by Cryptoengineer
Post by Catriona R
to get past bronze as a healer, I hope the scaling has been improved
this time out.
Post by Peter T.
I shine in raids on three classes. But here I have to get past a part
of the game that has NOTHING to do with dungeons or raids! And I suck
at Proving Grounds...
Well if you've got a guild to raid with, you don't need it anyway,
you've got a whole guild full of people to group with and you'll be
outgearing heroics in no time :-) It's people like me who really need
it, since group finder is my endgame...
Ditto. I'm NOT looking forward to this.
Just found something even worse. The Proving Grounds seem to be
glitched. I took my ilvl 592, lvl 99 lock to the White Tiger Temple,
and while he could complete Bronze with little difficulty - it didn't
stick - he didn't get the achievement, nor was it recorded. Silver
was not offered.

pt
Catriona R
2014-11-17 08:45:26 UTC
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 22:48:16 -0600, Cryptoengineer
Post by Cryptoengineer
Just found something even worse. The Proving Grounds seem to be
glitched. I took my ilvl 592, lvl 99 lock to the White Tiger Temple,
and while he could complete Bronze with little difficulty - it didn't
stick - he didn't get the achievement, nor was it recorded. Silver
was not offered.
Silver isn't available until lvl 100, and you might need to be 100 for
the achievement, maybe? I got achievement for bronze and was offered
silver last night anyway... didn't try silver though as I didn't find
the last wave of bronze at all easy - think I need to improve my gear
a little first, I'm still wearing more than half my old gear from 90
lol, goes to show decent gear does last a while, I guess!
Cryptoengineer
2014-11-22 06:03:37 UTC
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Post by Catriona R
On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 22:48:16 -0600, Cryptoengineer
Post by Cryptoengineer
Just found something even worse. The Proving Grounds seem to be
glitched. I took my ilvl 592, lvl 99 lock to the White Tiger Temple,
and while he could complete Bronze with little difficulty - it didn't
stick - he didn't get the achievement, nor was it recorded. Silver
was not offered.
Silver isn't available until lvl 100, and you might need to be 100 for
the achievement, maybe? I got achievement for bronze and was offered
silver last night anyway... didn't try silver though as I didn't find
the last wave of bronze at all easy - think I need to improve my gear
a little first, I'm still wearing more than half my old gear from 90
lol, goes to show decent gear does last a while, I guess!
I'm now standing at lvl 100 and ilvl 610, and I'd *really* like to
do the 10th anniversery event.

I've been trying the Silver DPS PG event all evening. I get through 6/8
pretty regularly, and have got to the 8th round once. I'm getting better,
and may well be able to do it.

The question is, can I do it in time to run some heroics, get my ilvl up
to 615, and run the anniversary event? Seems unlikely.

pt
Peter T.
2014-11-22 12:22:15 UTC
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Post by Cryptoengineer
The question is, can I do it in time to run some heroics, get my ilvl up
to 615, and run the anniversary event? Seems unlikely.
The event lasts until 4/1/15. Plenty of time. :)
--
Peter T.

<https://www.elitedangerous.com/>
Catriona R
2014-11-22 14:21:12 UTC
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On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 00:03:37 -0600, Cryptoengineer
Post by Cryptoengineer
Post by Catriona R
On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 22:48:16 -0600, Cryptoengineer
Post by Cryptoengineer
Just found something even worse. The Proving Grounds seem to be
glitched. I took my ilvl 592, lvl 99 lock to the White Tiger Temple,
and while he could complete Bronze with little difficulty - it didn't
stick - he didn't get the achievement, nor was it recorded. Silver
was not offered.
Silver isn't available until lvl 100, and you might need to be 100 for
the achievement, maybe? I got achievement for bronze and was offered
silver last night anyway... didn't try silver though as I didn't find
the last wave of bronze at all easy - think I need to improve my gear
a little first, I'm still wearing more than half my old gear from 90
lol, goes to show decent gear does last a while, I guess!
I'm now standing at lvl 100 and ilvl 610, and I'd *really* like to
do the 10th anniversery event.
I've been trying the Silver DPS PG event all evening. I get through 6/8
pretty regularly, and have got to the 8th round once. I'm getting better,
and may well be able to do it.
The question is, can I do it in time to run some heroics, get my ilvl up
to 615, and run the anniversary event? Seems unlikely.
The event goes on until January, in any case you don't need to do any
heroics to reach 615, I'm 617 and not even done any normals since
Auchindoun, there's other ways to get gear :-) Craft a 640, buy a 630
from Apexis Crystals, get the first part of legendary ring which only
needs normal dungeons, etc :-)
Cryptoengineer
2014-11-22 19:11:07 UTC
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Post by Catriona R
On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 00:03:37 -0600, Cryptoengineer
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Post by Catriona R
Post by Cryptoengineer
Post by Catriona R
On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 22:48:16 -0600, Cryptoengineer
Post by Cryptoengineer
Just found something even worse. The Proving Grounds seem to be
glitched. I took my ilvl 592, lvl 99 lock to the White Tiger Temple,
and while he could complete Bronze with little difficulty - it didn't
stick - he didn't get the achievement, nor was it recorded. Silver
was not offered.
Silver isn't available until lvl 100, and you might need to be 100 for
the achievement, maybe? I got achievement for bronze and was offered
silver last night anyway... didn't try silver though as I didn't find
the last wave of bronze at all easy - think I need to improve my gear
a little first, I'm still wearing more than half my old gear from 90
lol, goes to show decent gear does last a while, I guess!
I'm now standing at lvl 100 and ilvl 610, and I'd *really* like to
do the 10th anniversery event.
I've been trying the Silver DPS PG event all evening. I get through 6/8
pretty regularly, and have got to the 8th round once. I'm getting better,
and may well be able to do it.
The question is, can I do it in time to run some heroics, get my ilvl up
to 615, and run the anniversary event? Seems unlikely.
The event goes on until January, in any case you don't need to do any
heroics to reach 615, I'm 617 and not even done any normals since
Auchindoun, there's other ways to get gear :-) Craft a 640, buy a 630
from Apexis Crystals, get the first part of legendary ring which only
needs normal dungeons, etc :-)
That's a relief - I thought it ended Sunday night.

I really need to do the Silver PG anyway - it's a gating issue to
most of the end game content.

I wonder why Bliz decided to put this in - did they feel that too
many toons were being 'carried' in LFR? Since they normalize ilvl
etc in the PG, they're a pure LTP barrier; unskilled toons can't
get through regardless of their gear.

This is a problem for me, since I've generally been a bit low
on my dps, and relied on grinding gear to keep up.

pt
Catriona R
2014-11-22 19:33:47 UTC
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On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 13:11:07 -0600, Cryptoengineer
Post by Cryptoengineer
Post by Catriona R
The event goes on until January, in any case you don't need to do any
heroics to reach 615, I'm 617 and not even done any normals since
Auchindoun, there's other ways to get gear :-) Craft a 640, buy a 630
from Apexis Crystals, get the first part of legendary ring which only
needs normal dungeons, etc :-)
That's a relief - I thought it ended Sunday night.
I really need to do the Silver PG anyway - it's a gating issue to
most of the end game content.
I wonder why Bliz decided to put this in - did they feel that too
many toons were being 'carried' in LFR? Since they normalize ilvl
etc in the PG, they're a pure LTP barrier; unskilled toons can't
get through regardless of their gear.
LFR isn't affected by it, only 5-man heroics - the idea is two paths:
normals > LFR and heroics > higher end raiding. So if you only plan to
LFR, don't bother, nothing important is gated behind it, except the
legendary ring, and whatever, that can wait anyway, no way I plan to
try heroic 5-mans till I'm way better geared.
Post by Cryptoengineer
This is a problem for me, since I've generally been a bit low
on my dps, and relied on grinding gear to keep up.
I'm similar, but it's better than it was, at least, in that mobs scale
up to your gear, instead of gear scaling down to the mobs - that made
the healer one just plain impossible in moP. Haven't tried it now and
frankly, won't bother till my stats are better optimised, at present
they're all over the place, but I imagine I won't find it that easy
anyway, I prefer to outgear things slightly.
Peter T.
2014-11-23 04:19:13 UTC
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Post by Cryptoengineer
I wonder why Bliz decided to put this in - did they feel that too
many toons were being 'carried' in LFR? Since they normalize ilvl
etc in the PG, they're a pure LTP barrier; unskilled toons can't
get through regardless of their gear.
I wonder why too as PG has nothing to do with dungeons and raids.
I can see only one reason to put this in and that is forcing unskilled
players to learn using interrupts, CCs, silence, stuns etc. which is
pretty vital in heroics atm.

In most heroics you have two options; nuke mobs and bosses (prolly a
fail option) or control the fights. If you decide to use the nuke
strategy you need well-geared peeps with super-high dps and brains as
your healer will either oom asap or struggle with enough healing.
I personally prefer controlling the HC fights with interrupts and CCs.
And if everybody knows how to do this it will be a painless run as the
dps literally wont be a matter here.
--
Peter T.

<https://www.elitedangerous.com/>
Catriona R
2014-11-23 04:40:48 UTC
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Post by Peter T.
I wonder why too as PG has nothing to do with dungeons and raids.
The dps one might not but the healer one is exactly like a 5-man
dungeon (with a chainpulling tank who doesn't let me drink lol), very
useful for practicing with actually, I'll make much more use of it now
it doesn't scale me down and change the feel of playing my character.
Been reading up on holy priests and how they've changed, apparently
glyphed Binding Heal is ideal for 5-mans, and that's one spell I
usually forget exists, so I spent my whole run reminding myself to use
it as much as possible and get that keybind memorised!

I must say that Proving Grounds is unrealistic in one way though: the
NPCs actually move out of the fire without waiting for several ticks
first ;-)
Post by Peter T.
I can see only one reason to put this in and that is forcing unskilled
players to learn using interrupts, CCs, silence, stuns etc. which is
pretty vital in heroics atm.
In most heroics you have two options; nuke mobs and bosses (prolly a
fail option) or control the fights. If you decide to use the nuke
strategy you need well-geared peeps with super-high dps and brains as
your healer will either oom asap or struggle with enough healing.
I personally prefer controlling the HC fights with interrupts and CCs.
And if everybody knows how to do this it will be a painless run as the
dps literally wont be a matter here.
Yep, I think they wanted to make heroics a little more challenging
this time, and wanted to gate it in some way that involved proving the
player has some degree of capability of playing their class, so they
don't end up with pugs being wipefests, which is the usual result of
any level of difficulty. I actually don't mind it, the healer one was
alright, made me think a bit, but it was certainly possible enough,
and quite interesting to do.
Catriona R
2014-11-23 03:41:11 UTC
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On Mon, 17 Nov 2014 08:45:26 +0000, Catriona R
Post by Catriona R
Silver isn't available until lvl 100, and you might need to be 100 for
the achievement, maybe? I got achievement for bronze and was offered
silver last night anyway... didn't try silver though as I didn't find
the last wave of bronze at all easy - think I need to improve my gear
a little first, I'm still wearing more than half my old gear from 90
lol, goes to show decent gear does last a while, I guess!
So I finally tried silver, heh, that was a lot less hard than I
expected, mana was running rather low by the end (no chance to drink
between waves) but still, down first time. Didn't think it worth
trying gold yet, but may give it a shot when I get my stats better
sorted, my gear is a long way from optimal at present!
j***@live.ca
2016-02-07 21:30:24 UTC
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it has everything to do with raids,dungeons and pvp...pg teaches/forces you to learn all aspects of the character you are playing.
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