WoW Pay to Play

[DBD_Sandman]

Don't it just suck that you will have to pay a monthly subscription fee just
to play World of Warcraft on line. I can see where the company is coming
from since they are providing the servers to play on but why start now with
the best game you have come out with. So what does everyone else think? Do
think WoW should be free and possibly ask for donations to play online or
should they have a flat monthly fee whether you play the game once a month
or 24-7?

[Gismo]

Post by DBD_Sandman
Don't it just suck that you will have to pay a monthly subscription fee just
to play World of Warcraft on line. I can see where the company is coming
from since they are providing the servers to play on but why start now with
the best game you have come out with. So what does everyone else think? Do
think WoW should be free and possibly ask for donations to play online or
should they have a flat monthly fee whether you play the game once a month
or 24-7?

hmm .. nay ... played UO for 3 years - payed 10 $/month
the money goes to make the game better

Gismo

[CBM]

Post by Gismo

Post by DBD_Sandman
Don't it just suck that you will have to pay a monthly subscription fee

just

Post by DBD_Sandman
to play World of Warcraft on line. I can see where the company is coming
from since they are providing the servers to play on but why start now

with

Post by DBD_Sandman
the best game you have come out with. So what does everyone else think? Do
think WoW should be free and possibly ask for donations to play online or
should they have a flat monthly fee whether you play the game once a month
or 24-7?

hmm .. nay ... played UO for 3 years - payed 10 $/month
the money goes to make the game better
Gismo

I can't believe that people would quibble over paying $10.00/ month for
this. I'm by no means rich... lower middle class really, but this is about
what you'd pay for a movie and a coke. People don't balk at paying $10.00
for 2 hours of entertainment, but complain when they pay the same amount for
something that will likely entertain them for upwards of 20-100 hours a
month?!? <Boggles>

[Gismo]

Post by CBM
I can't believe that people would quibble over paying $10.00/ month for
this. I'm by no means rich... lower middle class really, but this is about
what you'd pay for a movie and a coke.

Good point, but some people don't see a movie every month. There's also

the

price of the game itself, which is tied to the $10 a month subscription.

You can allways use gametime if you play little

Post by CBM
People don't balk at paying $10.00
for 2 hours of entertainment, but complain when they pay the same amount for
something that will likely entertain them for upwards of 20-100 hours a
month?!?

I do think, however, that Blizzard should offer one free month, or a set

number

of hours, in order for the prospective subscriber to decide whether or not

it's

worth it. $10 a month, for one game, on top of the price of the game

itself, is

too much for some people, especially if they've got other considerations.
(school, rent, family, all the above, etc..)

Normaly you get 1-3 month free, and 30 $ for the game + 10 $ for the first
month might be ok, if its a bad game you can allways sell it - if its a good
game you can keep playing it

Gismo

[hayman]

<snip>
So what does everyone else think? Do

Post by DBD_Sandman
think WoW should be free and possibly ask for donations to play online or
should they have a flat monthly fee whether you play the game once a month
or 24-7?

<snip>

the most fair solution would be diferent rates for ppl who play different
number of hours, but you didn't mention the price of the monthly fee...

hayman

[Gismo]

Post by hayman
<snip>
So what does everyone else think? Do

Post by DBD_Sandman
think WoW should be free and possibly ask for donations to play online or
should they have a flat monthly fee whether you play the game once a month
or 24-7?

<snip>
the most fair solution would be diferent rates for ppl who play different
number of hours, but you didn't mention the price of the monthly fee...

if you play little it should cost more or ?? if you play alot it should work
24/7 to pay for it ?

something like 10$ month is ok for me

Gismo

[Scott]

Post by Gismo

Post by hayman
<snip>
So what does everyone else think? Do

Post by DBD_Sandman
think WoW should be free and possibly ask for donations to play online

or

Post by hayman

Post by DBD_Sandman
should they have a flat monthly fee whether you play the game once a

month

Post by hayman

Post by DBD_Sandman
or 24-7?

<snip>
the most fair solution would be diferent rates for ppl who play different
number of hours, but you didn't mention the price of the monthly fee...

if you play little it should cost more or ?? if you play alot it should work
24/7 to pay for it ?
something like 10$ month is ok for me
Gismo

If they charge ANY amount of cash montly then the game disk should be free,
I hate paying 30 - 60 dollars for a game and then a monthly fee on TOP of
the game price.

[Gismo]

Post by Scott
If they charge ANY amount of cash montly then the game disk should be

free,

Post by Scott
I hate paying 30 - 60 dollars for a game and then a monthly fee on TOP of
the game price.

Well usualy, you get like 3 free months of playing, so it covers the price
of the game

Remember what you get for the money.
Lots of patches - Gm to help you and make quest and lots of other stuff...

Remember what you pay to play foodball, golf of tennis !

Gismo

[Steven Ung]

Post by DBD_Sandman
Don't it just suck that you will have to pay a monthly subscription fee just
to play World of Warcraft on line. I can see where the company is coming
from since they are providing the servers to play on but why start now with
the best game you have come out with. So what does everyone else think? Do
think WoW should be free and possibly ask for donations to play online or
should they have a flat monthly fee whether you play the game once a month
or 24-7?

That would only promote pirated sites. No one is gonna pay for playing
online. I won't either.

[Paul Ogle]

Post by Steven Ung

Post by DBD_Sandman
Don't it just suck that you will have to pay a monthly subscription fee

just

Post by DBD_Sandman
to play World of Warcraft on line. I can see where the company is coming
from since they are providing the servers to play on but why start now

with

Post by DBD_Sandman
the best game you have come out with. So what does everyone else think? Do
think WoW should be free and possibly ask for donations to play online or
should they have a flat monthly fee whether you play the game once a month
or 24-7?

That would only promote pirated sites. No one is gonna pay for playing
online. I won't either.
--
Steven Ung, ICQ# : 65203722, BattleNet Nick : SuperNuubie

I've beta tested some MMORPGs in the past, and never found a single
feature in them that was worth paying a monthly fee for. I'm going to try
and beta test WoW just so I can have played it, but I flat out refuse to
pay monthly for something like that. Part of the allure of computer games
is the ability to leave them alone for a while and come back later to play
more, and *not* be charged for the unused time.

I'd be willing to make donations here and there to keep battle.net free,
but I'd only make them when I was actively playing. The only way I'd pay
for WoW is if it was metered by actual play time, since then I'd get my
money's worth and not waste cash when I've got other concerns.

/end starving college student rant

-pogle

[Paradox]

Post by Paul Ogle
I've beta tested some MMORPGs in the past, and never found a single
feature in them that was worth paying a monthly fee for. I'm going to try
and beta test WoW just so I can have played it, but I flat out refuse to
pay monthly for something like that. Part of the allure of computer games
is the ability to leave them alone for a while and come back later to play
more, and *not* be charged for the unused time.

wow, is canceling an account that hard?

Post by Paul Ogle
I'd be willing to make donations here and there to keep battle.net free,
but I'd only make them when I was actively playing. The only way I'd pay
for WoW is if it was metered by actual play time, since then I'd get my
money's worth and not waste cash when I've got other concerns.
/end starving college student rant

Maybe you should be studying instead of screwing off playing video games?

[Paul Ogle]

Post by Paradox
wow, is canceling an account that hard?

If I want to keep playing with the same character, well, yeah, maybe
cancelling the account for a month or two and losing said character would
be rather hard to do.

Post by Paradox
Maybe you should be studying instead of screwing off playing video games?

Maybe you should think before spewing nonsense back at me. School hadn't
started when this post was written, and studying has absolutely nothing to
do with a college budget. Thank you for your pointless and idiotic
comments, have a nice day.

[Gismo]

Post by Paul Ogle
I've beta tested some MMORPGs in the past, and never found a single
feature in them that was worth paying a monthly fee for. I'm going to try
and beta test WoW just so I can have played it, but I flat out refuse to
pay monthly for something like that. Part of the allure of computer games
is the ability to leave them alone for a while and come back later to play
more, and *not* be charged for the unused time.

Curse there havent been any good mmorpg games latly ... Last good game was
UO, maby EQ (mean its free to play when you buy it) - SW:G might bee good,
havnt tryed it yet.

Post by Paul Ogle
I'd be willing to make donations here and there to keep battle.net free,
but I'd only make them when I was actively playing. The only way I'd pay
for WoW is if it was metered by actual play time, since then I'd get my
money's worth and not waste cash when I've got other concerns.

Most mmorpg games you can pay some money each month or use gametime to pay
for the time you are online - if you play 2 hours / month youll pay less
than one who play 200 hours :) nice system for those who play little

Gismo

[Jason]

Post by Steven Ung
That would only promote pirated sites. No one is gonna pay for playing
online. I won't either.

Have you heard of everquest, sims online ? People ARE paying to play
online. Maybe just you will not.

Even if you have a pirated version you still need to have an account that is
paid for to play the game on their servers.

[BOOGIEMAN]

Post by Steven Ung

Post by DBD_Sandman
Don't it just suck that you will have to pay a monthly subscription fee

just

Post by DBD_Sandman
to play World of Warcraft on line. I can see where the company is coming
from since they are providing the servers to play on but why start now

with

Post by DBD_Sandman
the best game you have come out with. So what does everyone else think? Do
think WoW should be free and possibly ask for donations to play online or
should they have a flat monthly fee whether you play the game once a month
or 24-7?

That would only promote pirated sites. No one is gonna pay for playing
online. I won't either.

Gismo will pay
(but it will be hard for him to find opponents) :)

[Steven Ung]

Post by BOOGIEMAN

Post by Steven Ung

Post by DBD_Sandman
Don't it just suck that you will have to pay a monthly subscription fee

just

Post by DBD_Sandman
to play World of Warcraft on line. I can see where the company is coming
from since they are providing the servers to play on but why start now

with

Post by DBD_Sandman
the best game you have come out with. So what does everyone else

think?

Post by BOOGIEMAN
Do

Post by Steven Ung

Post by DBD_Sandman
think WoW should be free and possibly ask for donations to play online

or

Post by Steven Ung

Post by DBD_Sandman
should they have a flat monthly fee whether you play the game once a

month

Post by Steven Ung

Post by DBD_Sandman
or 24-7?

That would only promote pirated sites. No one is gonna pay for playing
online. I won't either.

Gismo will pay
(but it will be hard for him to find opponents) :)

Not really, he could always do a 1 vs 7 CPU games :P

[Gismo]

Post by Steven Ung

Post by BOOGIEMAN
Gismo will pay
(but it will be hard for him to find opponents) :)

Not really, he could always do a 1 vs 7 CPU games :P

Ill create my own little world where im GOD

I might start on SW:G soon ... if its a good game :)

Gismo

[Bizoune Bizoune]

Post by BOOGIEMAN
Gismo will pay
(but it will be hard for him to find opponents) :)

Are you nutzz?? this game will be a success!!!

[Gismo]

Post by Bizoune Bizoune

Post by BOOGIEMAN
Gismo will pay
(but it will be hard for him to find opponents) :)

Are you nutzz?? this game will be a success!!!

Lots of ppl will pay .. just see how many there are paying for UO, Daoc, Ao
and all the other mmorpg games

Gismo

[Steven Ung]

Post by Gismo

Post by Bizoune Bizoune

Post by BOOGIEMAN
Gismo will pay
(but it will be hard for him to find opponents) :)

Are you nutzz?? this game will be a success!!!

Lots of ppl will pay .. just see how many there are paying for UO, Daoc, Ao
and all the other mmorpg games

Okay now, compare those figures with the number of players playing StarCraft
/ WarCraft on Blizzard servers. What do you see?

An Ant hill vs the sky difference, innit? :P

[Julie d'Aubigny]

Post by Steven Ung
skrev

Post by Gismo

Post by Bizoune Bizoune

Post by BOOGIEMAN
Gismo will pay
(but it will be hard for him to find opponents) :)

Are you nutzz?? this game will be a success!!!

Lots of ppl will pay .. just see how many there are paying for UO, Daoc,

Ao

Post by Gismo
and all the other mmorpg games

Okay now, compare those figures with the number of players playing StarCraft
/ WarCraft on Blizzard servers. What do you see?
An Ant hill vs the sky difference, innit? :P

I see that Blizzard should prepare for a massive server slam when WoW is
available.

[Gismo]

Post by Steven Ung

Post by Gismo
Lots of ppl will pay .. just see how many there are paying for UO, Daoc,

Ao

Post by Gismo
and all the other mmorpg games

Okay now, compare those figures with the number of players playing StarCraft
/ WarCraft on Blizzard servers. What do you see?

d2, sc, bw, wc3 .... if you got 1 hour / week you can play those games. Hard
to play a mmorpg games if you only put few hours into it.

I know theres alot who still play d2, sc .... still, alot will pay for
other net games like WoW .. :)

Gismo

[Steven Ung]

Post by Steven Ung

Post by Steven Ung

Post by Gismo
Lots of ppl will pay .. just see how many there are paying for UO, Daoc,

Ao

Post by Gismo
and all the other mmorpg games

Okay now, compare those figures with the number of players playing

StarCraft

Post by Steven Ung
/ WarCraft on Blizzard servers. What do you see?

d2, sc, bw, wc3 .... if you got 1 hour / week you can play those games. Hard
to play a mmorpg games if you only put few hours into it.

Precisely. The only people I know that fits that criteria (time) is college
students (who flunk :P). That said, most of them would prefer to spend their
money on more important things (such as girls, booze other inanely
unimportant stuffs) rather than on games.

Post by Steven Ung
I know theres alot who still play d2, sc .... still, alot will pay for
other net games like WoW .. :)

Like I've said, they're like a drop of water into the Pacific ocean. :=)

[Gismo]

Post by Steven Ung

Post by Gismo
d2, sc, bw, wc3 .... if you got 1 hour / week you can play those games.

Hard

Post by Gismo
to play a mmorpg games if you only put few hours into it.

Precisely. The only people I know that fits that criteria (time) is college
students (who flunk :P). That said, most of them would prefer to spend their
money on more important things (such as girls, booze other inanely
unimportant stuffs) rather than on games.

I know lots of ppl from 10 to 50 who plays mmorpg games and spent lots of
time on it ... Allso ppl who are maried and have kids !

Post by Steven Ung

Post by Gismo
I know theres alot who still play d2, sc .... still, alot will pay for
other net games like WoW .. :)

Like I've said, they're like a drop of water into the Pacific ocean. :=)

See how big UO was, how many who plays EQ ... There are lots of ppl who
wants to pay for it.

online games like d2, wc, bw are a dif kind of game than mmorpg games ...
Not sure how to explan it, you just have to try it hehe

Gismo

[Simond]

Post by Steven Ung
skrev

Post by Gismo

Post by Bizoune Bizoune

Post by BOOGIEMAN
Gismo will pay
(but it will be hard for him to find opponents) :)

Are you nutzz?? this game will be a success!!!

Lots of ppl will pay .. just see how many there are paying for UO, Daoc,

Ao

Post by Gismo
and all the other mmorpg games

Okay now, compare those figures with the number of players playing StarCraft
/ WarCraft on Blizzard servers. What do you see?
An Ant hill vs the sky difference, innit? :P

X million people playing BNet times no monthly payment = Zero income
(X/10) million people playing WoW times $10/month = X million dollars income
a month.

Get it yet? =)

[Gismo]

Post by Simond
X million people playing BNet times no monthly payment = Zero income
(X/10) million people playing WoW times $10/month = X million dollars income
a month.
Get it yet? =)

Blizz have to spent more to have a mmorpg game running than a game like d2
...
lets just hope wow is worth paying and waiting for

Gismo

[Steven Ung]

Post by Steven Ung

Post by Steven Ung
skrev

Post by Gismo

Post by Bizoune Bizoune

Post by BOOGIEMAN
Gismo will pay
(but it will be hard for him to find opponents) :)

Are you nutzz?? this game will be a success!!!

Lots of ppl will pay .. just see how many there are paying for UO, Daoc,

Ao

Post by Gismo
and all the other mmorpg games

Okay now, compare those figures with the number of players playing

StarCraft

Post by Steven Ung
/ WarCraft on Blizzard servers. What do you see?
An Ant hill vs the sky difference, innit? :P

X million people playing BNet times no monthly payment = Zero income
(X/10) million people playing WoW times $10/month = X million dollars income
a month.
Get it yet? =)

Of course, that was the point of charging people. Blizzard is not a charity
organization, you know ;-)

The main point here is that will you pay to play online even though you had
bought the game.

[Ryoko]

Post by Steven Ung
skrev

Post by Simond

Post by Steven Ung

Post by Gismo

Post by Bizoune Bizoune

Post by BOOGIEMAN
Gismo will pay
(but it will be hard for him to find opponents) :)

Are you nutzz?? this game will be a success!!!

Lots of ppl will pay .. just see how many there are paying for UO,

Daoc,
Ao

Post by Simond

Post by Steven Ung

Post by Gismo
and all the other mmorpg games

Okay now, compare those figures with the number of players playing

StarCraft

Post by Simond

Post by Steven Ung
/ WarCraft on Blizzard servers. What do you see?
An Ant hill vs the sky difference, innit? :P

X million people playing BNet times no monthly payment = Zero income
(X/10) million people playing WoW times $10/month = X million dollars

income

Post by Simond
a month.
Get it yet? =)

Of course, that was the point of charging people. Blizzard is not a charity
organization, you know ;-)
The main point here is that will you pay to play online even though you had
bought the game.

Well, you should ask this question to the 400 thousand EQ subscribers
who have no only bought the original EQ, but have also paid for the 6
(or 7?) expansion packs that followed. Not to mention that the
subscription fee has been increased from US8 to US12 recently.
Blizzard is not publishing WoW for those who don't want to pay a
monthly fee. They are doing it for those who will and the market
proved that there ARE people who are willing to pay. If you don't want
to pay, don't play. The end of the story.

Can't believe that people are still arguing over this. Not as if
MMORPG was born yesterday.

[Steven Ung]

Post by Ryoko

Post by Steven Ung

Post by Simond

Post by Steven Ung

"Bizoune Bizoune"

skrev

Post by Simond

Post by Steven Ung

Post by Bizoune Bizoune

Post by BOOGIEMAN
Gismo will pay
(but it will be hard for him to find opponents) :)

Are you nutzz?? this game will be a success!!!

Lots of ppl will pay .. just see how many there are paying for UO,

Daoc,
Ao

Post by Simond

Post by Steven Ung

and all the other mmorpg games

Okay now, compare those figures with the number of players playing

StarCraft

Post by Simond

Post by Steven Ung
/ WarCraft on Blizzard servers. What do you see?
An Ant hill vs the sky difference, innit? :P

X million people playing BNet times no monthly payment = Zero income
(X/10) million people playing WoW times $10/month = X million dollars

income

Post by Simond
a month.
Get it yet? =)

Of course, that was the point of charging people. Blizzard is not a charity
organization, you know ;-)
The main point here is that will you pay to play online even though you had
bought the game.

Well, you should ask this question to the 400 thousand EQ subscribers
who have no only bought the original EQ, but have also paid for the 6
(or 7?) expansion packs that followed. Not to mention that the
subscription fee has been increased from US8 to US12 recently.

400K isn't that much as compared to 8 million copies sold for StarCraft
(last I recall) :)

However, since it had so many releases, revenue wise, it may surpasses what
Starcraft had made. With that, the game may improve further with new
releases, patches etc.

Post by Ryoko
Blizzard is not publishing WoW for those who don't want to pay a
monthly fee. They are doing it for those who will and the market
proved that there ARE people who are willing to pay. If you don't want
to pay, don't play. The end of the story.

True. Since I won't be paying, I won't be playing. :-)

Post by Ryoko
Can't believe that people are still arguing over this. Not as if
MMORPG was born yesterday.

We're not arguing, just trying to know whether anyone would be willing to
pay.

From the facts gathered, there are mixed reactions. Some are willing to pay,
whilst some thinks that its a rip-off. Its just an opinion.

[hayman]

Post by Ryoko

Post by Steven Ung
Of course, that was the point of charging people. Blizzard is not a charity
organization, you know ;-)
The main point here is that will you pay to play online even though you had
bought the game.

Well, you should ask this question to the 400 thousand EQ subscribers
who have no only bought the original EQ, but have also paid for the 6
(or 7?) expansion packs that followed. Not to mention that the
subscription fee has been increased from US8 to US12 recently.
Blizzard is not publishing WoW for those who don't want to pay a
monthly fee. They are doing it for those who will and the market
proved that there ARE people who are willing to pay. If you don't want
to pay, don't play. The end of the story.
Can't believe that people are still arguing over this. Not as if
MMORPG was born yesterday.

ppl need to complain about things, or complain about the complaining, its
natural...
like suggested in matrix ppl can't life in a perfect society, I think thats
more correct than we want it to be. satisfaction only last as long as we
don't have other wishes.

back to the subject however, I will buy the game and play, and if it doesn't
match or surpass my expectations I will stop playing.
the trailer looked good, so I hope the rest of the game is also.

hayman.

[Steven Ung]

Post by Steven Ung

Post by Ryoko

Post by Steven Ung
Of course, that was the point of charging people. Blizzard is not a

charity

Post by Ryoko

Post by Steven Ung
organization, you know ;-)
The main point here is that will you pay to play online even though

you

Post by Steven Ung
had

Post by Ryoko

Post by Steven Ung
bought the game.

Well, you should ask this question to the 400 thousand EQ subscribers
who have no only bought the original EQ, but have also paid for the 6
(or 7?) expansion packs that followed. Not to mention that the
subscription fee has been increased from US8 to US12 recently.
Blizzard is not publishing WoW for those who don't want to pay a
monthly fee. They are doing it for those who will and the market
proved that there ARE people who are willing to pay. If you don't want
to pay, don't play. The end of the story.
Can't believe that people are still arguing over this. Not as if
MMORPG was born yesterday.

ppl need to complain about things, or complain about the complaining, its
natural...
like suggested in matrix ppl can't life in a perfect society, I think thats
more correct than we want it to be. satisfaction only last as long as we
don't have other wishes.

Yeah, something like that. People are never contempted. That's why them
animals categorized us as "humans" :p

Post by Steven Ung
back to the subject however, I will buy the game and play, and if it doesn't
match or surpass my expectations I will stop playing.
the trailer looked good, so I hope the rest of the game is also.

I think its a matter of preference on what type of games one like to play.

Some like RPG/RTS etc, whilst some don't. I'm one of them that falls into
the "I don't like the MMORPG" category, I'd say.

[Julie d'Aubigny]

Post by Steven Ung
Of course, that was the point of charging people. Blizzard is not a charity
organization, you know ;-)
The main point here is that will you pay to play online even though you had
bought the game.

I actually first played in a massively multiplayer game back in 1994. It
cost about $20 a year to participate, plus I had to buy the game. Of
course, it was not a computer game, but that's beside the point.

[hayman]

Post by Julie d'Aubigny
I actually first played in a massively multiplayer game back in 1994. It
cost about $20 a year to participate, plus I had to buy the game. Of
course, it was not a computer game, but that's beside the point.

I dont think I understand what you mean, could you elaborate plz?
multi player console game??

hayman

[Julie d'Aubigny]

Post by hayman

Post by Julie d'Aubigny
I actually first played in a massively multiplayer game back in 1994. It
cost about $20 a year to participate, plus I had to buy the game. Of
course, it was not a computer game, but that's beside the point.

I dont think I understand what you mean, could you elaborate plz?
multi player console game??

No, it was live action.

[Jason]

Post by Julie d'Aubigny

Post by hayman

Post by Julie d'Aubigny
I actually first played in a massively multiplayer game back in 1994. It
cost about $20 a year to participate, plus I had to buy the game. Of
course, it was not a computer game, but that's beside the point.

I dont think I understand what you mean, could you elaborate plz?
multi player console game??

No, it was live action.

I play a MMPORPG called Runescape. They have a "Free server" and a "pay to
play" server. .. lets you get a feel for the game and decide if its worth
the 5 a month. . . which I DO pay

Post by Julie d'Aubigny
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[Gismo]

Post by Steven Ung

Post by DBD_Sandman
Don't it just suck that you will have to pay a monthly subscription fee

just

Post by DBD_Sandman
to play World of Warcraft on line. I can see where the company is coming
from since they are providing the servers to play on but why start now

with

Post by DBD_Sandman
the best game you have come out with. So what does everyone else think? Do
think WoW should be free and possibly ask for donations to play online or
should they have a flat monthly fee whether you play the game once a month
or 24-7?

That would only promote pirated sites. No one is gonna pay for playing
online. I won't either.

I played Ultima Online for 3 years, Daoc for 1 month, tryed some other
mmorpg games - none was as good as UO - That game had something that was
worth paying for

If it want to play football i have to pay some money to a club for using
balls, foodballfield and stuff like that - so whats wrong paying for a game
?

Gismo

[Picture Dots]

Its just insane to think someone would make a -free- MMORPG..

Ok, yeah you did buy the disk, thats a one time cash thing for bliz. What
happends 2-3 years down the road when nobody really buys it, server costs
are through the roof? It becomes a drain, you wont see a free MMORPG that
has any scrap of quality anytime soon.

[hayman]

Post by Picture Dots
Its just insane to think someone would make a -free- MMORPG..
Ok, yeah you did buy the disk, thats a one time cash thing for bliz. What
happends 2-3 years down the road when nobody really buys it, server costs
are through the roof? It becomes a drain, you wont see a free MMORPG that
has any scrap of quality anytime soon.

not every product they make will be a succes, I think blizz. realizes
that...
but ppl will, like steven said, find ways around the payment.
cause ppl dont expect to pay for something they allready bought unless there
is no other way.(except julie D'aubigny, if it meets up with her
expectations)

$10 a Month is what I call a lot, if you allready payed $40 to $60 for the
game.
so either make the game-cd free(to get a lot of paying ppl playing the game)
or the fee so low that ppl wont think about pirating the site.
neither will ever happen, cause they will never even think about any thing
else than the cash they think they are going to make.
bussines is bussines.


hayman

[iprimus]

Post by hayman

Post by Picture Dots
Its just insane to think someone would make a -free- MMORPG..
Ok, yeah you did buy the disk, thats a one time cash thing for bliz. What
happends 2-3 years down the road when nobody really buys it, server costs
are through the roof? It becomes a drain, you wont see a free MMORPG that
has any scrap of quality anytime soon.

not every product they make will be a succes, I think blizz. realizes
that...
but ppl will, like steven said, find ways around the payment.
cause ppl dont expect to pay for something they allready bought unless there
is no other way.(except julie D'aubigny, if it meets up with her
expectations)
$10 a Month is what I call a lot, if you allready payed $40 to $60 for the
game.
so either make the game-cd free(to get a lot of paying ppl playing the game)
or the fee so low that ppl wont think about pirating the site.
neither will ever happen, cause they will never even think about any thing
else than the cash they think they are going to make.
bussines is bussines.

Not really. I've seen MMORPG that had the disk either free or about HKD 10
(about USD 2).

[hayman]

<SNIP>

Post by iprimus
Not really. I've seen MMORPG that had the disk either free or about HKD 10
(about USD 2).

thats still not free ;)
although I must admit that its very cheap, how much was the monthly fee?

hayman,

[Picture Dots]

Uh, MMORPG emulation servers -are not- that popular at the time. The only
games I can even think of with emulation servers are UO and EQ these are
both old and popular so I doubt you can find a way around the WoW payment,
gl

[Bizoune Bizoune]

Post by Picture Dots
Uh, MMORPG emulation servers -are not- that popular at the time. The only
games I can even think of with emulation servers are UO and EQ these are
both old and popular so I doubt you can find a way around the WoW payment,

You're right on this one. Who will want to play on free servers when you
those will be shut down in 1-2 months? In this game, time will maters, you
will grow stronger, grow alliance, friends and enemies.. It's impossible to
enjoye when you have to start over at 2 months interval. It would be like
to reborn again without remembering anything...

[t***@no.com]

On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 10:30:49 +0100, "distant"

Post by DBD_Sandman
Don't it just suck that you will have to pay a monthly subscription fee

just

Post by DBD_Sandman
to play World of Warcraft on line. I can see where the company is coming
from since they are providing the servers to play on but why start now

with

Post by DBD_Sandman
the best game you have come out with.

Surely your best game is the right game to start this policy with.

Sure but first you have to hand over the starting price,
how do you know it doesnt suck ? Magazins ?? Dont be ridiculous.

Post by DBD_Sandman
So what does everyone else think? Do
think WoW should be free and possibly ask for donations to play online or
should they have a flat monthly fee whether you play the game once a month
or 24-7?

Who cares what we think. Blizzard is a company. They want cash. They'll go
for the best way of getting it.

I once saw a friend playing a game.. camelot something.. he waited for
a mana refill or similar for 15 minutes doing nothing. What kind of
game is this ? As you cant TEST games like this b4, a monthly fee
would be the only way to go.

And YESS, i will never forget Bethesda Software with Daggerfall.
Excellent previews, a rpg game released while anything past
hour 4 wasnt programmed yet. Amazing.

Another isssue is graphics. Ever saw an mmorg with gfx, that doesnt
complety suck ?

I played Diablo 2 for a very long time, so it will be very expensive
even without a package price.. if its good.

tom

[Julie d'Aubigny]

Post by t***@no.com
And YESS, i will never forget Bethesda Software with Daggerfall.
Excellent previews, a rpg game released while anything past
hour 4 wasnt programmed yet. Amazing.

Did you actually play it past hour 4?

[t***@no.com]

On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 21:02:54 GMT, Julie d'Aubigny

Post by Julie d'Aubigny

Post by t***@no.com
And YESS, i will never forget Bethesda Software with Daggerfall.
Excellent previews, a rpg game released while anything past
hour 4 wasnt programmed yet. Amazing.

Did you actually play it past hour 4?

yes. it was the 2nd big quest i think at hour 10 or 20, dont know
anymore. it was impossible to get a puzzle straight. luckily i had
an internet connection and could get the patch some days
later, but.. there were lots of patches coming and each readme
detailed lots of bugs affecting the possible progress of the
storyline.

so it was basically like playing a game that was still in development,
while constantly getting patches from the net.

i know blizzard wont do such a crap, but i am still reluctant to pay
for an online surprise in advance.

[Julie d'Aubigny]

Post by t***@no.com
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 21:02:54 GMT, Julie d'Aubigny

Post by Julie d'Aubigny

Post by t***@no.com
And YESS, i will never forget Bethesda Software with Daggerfall.
Excellent previews, a rpg game released while anything past
hour 4 wasnt programmed yet. Amazing.

Did you actually play it past hour 4?

yes. it was the 2nd big quest i think at hour 10 or 20, dont know
anymore. it was impossible to get a puzzle straight. luckily i had
an internet connection and could get the patch some days
later, but.. there were lots of patches coming and each readme
detailed lots of bugs affecting the possible progress of the
storyline.
so it was basically like playing a game that was still in development,
while constantly getting patches from the net.

Of course, you could play it for days without touching the main quest.
There were a few bugged random quests, but saving before taking each one
would resolve it.

Post by t***@no.com
i know blizzard wont do such a crap, but i am still reluctant to pay
for an online surprise in advance.

So wait.

[t***@no.com]

On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:55:34 +0100, "distant"

Post by hayman
<snip>

Post by t***@no.com
how do you know it doesnt suck ? Magazins ?? Dont be ridiculous.

<snip>
Sorry, didn't realise you couldn't read. Perhaps you could apply your
text-to-voice software to online reviews?

being lame is no solution. try to respect others opinions and
experience.

[distant]

On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 07:30:53 +0100, "distant"

Post by t***@no.com
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:55:34 +0100, "distant"

Post by hayman
<snip>

Post by t***@no.com
how do you know it doesnt suck ? Magazins ?? Dont be ridiculous.

<snip>
Sorry, didn't realise you couldn't read. Perhaps you could apply your
text-to-voice software to online reviews?

being lame is no solution. try to respect others opinions and
experience.

Since when did ignorance become an opinion?

did you know roper and some of his friends left blizzard ?
the publisher vivendi is a real marketing hog, they are
trying to sell blizzard now, for a looong time.
how will the game development continue,
as the creative heads are gone ?
theres no one stopping the marketing from making
cost effective decisions and therefore stripping off
the games quality.
i have seen lots of trailers b4, but usually they dont
have much to do with the actual game.

None of this is on topic.

so what are u talking about ?

A different thing to you, it seems.

d


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On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 07:30:53 +0100, "distant"

Post by t***@no.com
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:55:34 +0100, "distant"

Post by hayman
<snip>

Post by t***@no.com
how do you know it doesnt suck ? Magazins ?? Dont be ridiculous.

<snip>
Sorry, didn't realise you couldn't read. Perhaps you could apply your
text-to-voice software to online reviews?

being lame is no solution. try to respect others opinions and
experience.

Since when did ignorance become an opinion?

did you know roper and some of his friends left blizzard ?
the publisher vivendi is a real marketing hog, they are
trying to sell blizzard now, for a looong time.
how will the game development continue,
as the creative heads are gone ?

Er, the creative heads aren't gone. At the very least, Chris Metzen is
still at Blizzard and he's responsible for a great deal of the
creativity there. Bob Fitch is there, and despite his protestations to
the contrary, he's quite good with the creativity too.

[Midnight]

You are all going about this 'questioning of blizzard' the wrong way,
none of you seem to have the slightest clue as to how the current
Battle.net servers work (by the way, they are not owned nor are paid
for by Blizzard Entertainment whatsoever).

WoW will be (once released) will be Blizzard's newest cash-cow, and if
they were to allow WoW users on the freebased Battle.net it would
possiblely crash the whole network. Think about it right now there are
more than 150,000 people using all 6 realms, put another 250,000 on
top of that and you have yourself one hell of a bill of bandwidth for
AT&T, Tesila and the other companys that provide the servers for
Battle.net.

Post by DBD_Sandman
So what does everyone else think? Do
think WoW should be free and possibly ask for donations to play online or
should they have a flat monthly fee whether you play the game once a month
or 24-7?

Who cares what we think. Blizzard is a company. They want cash. They'll go
for the best way of getting it.

Donations ? Right, and how many people do you think have that kind of
cash to 'donate' ? Most people (average wage earners) can only just
get away with buying 1 PC game every couple of months add that to the
cost of average internet access and your already down the tubes.

Also, Blizzard is a company, it doesn't 'want cash', they get all the
money they need from Vivendi Universal (their parent company).

Some people have gotten it easy up to here, however that time will
soon run out.

- Stephen 'Midnight' Douglas
Shout-Out Gaming Staff
http://www.shoutoutgaming.com

On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 10:30:49 +0100, "distant"

Post by DBD_Sandman

Post by DBD_Sandman
Don't it just suck that you will have to pay a monthly subscription fee

just

Post by DBD_Sandman
to play World of Warcraft on line. I can see where the company is coming
from since they are providing the servers to play on but why start now

with

Post by DBD_Sandman
the best game you have come out with.

Surely your best game is the right game to start this policy with.

Sure but first you have to hand over the starting price,
how do you know it doesnt suck ? Magazins ?? Dont be ridiculous.

Post by DBD_Sandman

Post by DBD_Sandman
So what does everyone else think? Do
think WoW should be free and possibly ask for donations to play online or
should they have a flat monthly fee whether you play the game once a month
or 24-7?

Who cares what we think. Blizzard is a company. They want cash. They'll go
for the best way of getting it.

I once saw a friend playing a game.. camelot something.. he waited for
a mana refill or similar for 15 minutes doing nothing. What kind of
game is this ? As you cant TEST games like this b4, a monthly fee
would be the only way to go.
And YESS, i will never forget Bethesda Software with Daggerfall.
Excellent previews, a rpg game released while anything past
hour 4 wasnt programmed yet. Amazing.
Another isssue is graphics. Ever saw an mmorg with gfx, that doesnt
complety suck ?
I played Diablo 2 for a very long time, so it will be very expensive
even without a package price.. if its good.
tom

- Midnight
Shout-Out Gaming Staff
http://shoutoutgaming.com

[hayman]

Post by Midnight
You are all going about this 'questioning of blizzard' the wrong way,
none of you seem to have the slightest clue as to how the current
Battle.net servers work (by the way, they are not owned nor are paid
for by Blizzard Entertainment whatsoever).
WoW will be (once released) will be Blizzard's newest cash-cow, and if
they were to allow WoW users on the freebased Battle.net it would
possiblely crash the whole network. Think about it right now there are
more than 150,000 people using all 6 realms, put another 250,000 on
top of that and you have yourself one hell of a bill of bandwidth for
AT&T, Tesila and the other companys that provide the servers for
Battle.net.

Post by DBD_Sandman
So what does everyone else think? Do
think WoW should be free and possibly ask for donations to play online or
should they have a flat monthly fee whether you play the game once a month
or 24-7?

Who cares what we think. Blizzard is a company. They want cash. They'll go
for the best way of getting it.

Donations ? Right, and how many people do you think have that kind of
cash to 'donate' ? Most people (average wage earners) can only just
get away with buying 1 PC game every couple of months add that to the
cost of average internet access and your already down the tubes.
Also, Blizzard is a company, it doesn't 'want cash', they get all the
money they need from Vivendi Universal (their parent company).
Some people have gotten it easy up to here, however that time will
soon run out.

<SNIP>

don't toppost :)

[Midnight]

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:33:35 +0200, "hayman"

Post by hayman

Post by Midnight
You are all going about this 'questioning of blizzard' the wrong way,
none of you seem to have the slightest clue as to how the current
Battle.net servers work (by the way, they are not owned nor are paid
for by Blizzard Entertainment whatsoever).
WoW will be (once released) will be Blizzard's newest cash-cow, and if
they were to allow WoW users on the freebased Battle.net it would
possiblely crash the whole network. Think about it right now there are
more than 150,000 people using all 6 realms, put another 250,000 on
top of that and you have yourself one hell of a bill of bandwidth for
AT&T, Tesila and the other companys that provide the servers for
Battle.net.

Post by DBD_Sandman
So what does everyone else think? Do
think WoW should be free and possibly ask for donations to play online

or

Post by Midnight

Post by DBD_Sandman
should they have a flat monthly fee whether you play the game once a

month

Post by Midnight

Post by DBD_Sandman
or 24-7?

Who cares what we think. Blizzard is a company. They want cash. They'll

go

Post by Midnight

for the best way of getting it.

Donations ? Right, and how many people do you think have that kind of
cash to 'donate' ? Most people (average wage earners) can only just
get away with buying 1 PC game every couple of months add that to the
cost of average internet access and your already down the tubes.
Also, Blizzard is a company, it doesn't 'want cash', they get all the
money they need from Vivendi Universal (their parent company).
Some people have gotten it easy up to here, however that time will
soon run out.

<SNIP>
don't toppost :)

top post ? bah! how else would I of gotten their attention ? By
letting it waste away at the bottom ? That's good logic right there in
the making.


- Stephen 'Midnight' D.
***@iggs.net
Shout-Out Gaming & Global Clan Directory Staff
http://www.shoutoutgaming.com
http://www.globalclandirectory.com

[Luc The Perverse]

Post by Midnight

Post by hayman

Post by Midnight
Some people have gotten it easy up to here, however that time will
soon run out.

<SNIP>
don't toppost :)

top post ? bah! how else would I of gotten their attention ? By
letting it waste away at the bottom ? That's good logic right there in
the making.

Wow. You read the "don't top post" message - which was miraculously not
top posted

-LTP

:)

[hayman]

Post by Luc The Perverse

Post by Midnight

Post by hayman

Post by Midnight
Some people have gotten it easy up to here, however that time will
soon run out.

<SNIP>
don't toppost :)

top post ? bah! how else would I of gotten their attention ? By
letting it waste away at the bottom ? That's good logic right there in
the making.

Wow. You read the "don't top post" message - which was miraculously not
top posted
-LTP
:)

It's amazing isn't it,you thought he wouldn't notice but he did.

hayman

[Luc The Perverse]

Post by hayman

Post by Luc The Perverse

Post by Midnight

Post by hayman

Post by Midnight
Some people have gotten it easy up to here, however that time will
soon run out.

<SNIP>
don't toppost :)

top post ? bah! how else would I of gotten their attention ? By
letting it waste away at the bottom ? That's good logic right there in
the making.

Wow. You read the "don't top post" message - which was miraculously not
top posted
-LTP
:)

It's amazing isn't it,you thought he wouldn't notice but he did.

Is this message addressing me, or the aforementioned top poster?

-LTP

:)

[hayman]

Post by Luc The Perverse

Post by hayman

Post by Luc The Perverse

Post by Midnight

Post by hayman

Post by Midnight
Some people have gotten it easy up to here, however that time will
soon run out.

<SNIP>
don't toppost :)

top post ? bah! how else would I of gotten their attention ? By
letting it waste away at the bottom ? That's good logic right there in
the making.

Wow. You read the "don't top post" message - which was miraculously

not

Post by hayman

Post by Luc The Perverse
top posted
-LTP
:)

It's amazing isn't it,you thought he wouldn't notice but he did.

Is this message addressing me, or the aforementioned top poster?

neither and both, its not adressed to anyone, just a thought of a member of
the Idiot Race

:P

hayman

[Midnight]

Post by hayman

Post by Luc The Perverse

Post by hayman

Post by Luc The Perverse

Post by Midnight

Post by hayman

Post by Midnight
Some people have gotten it easy up to here, however that time

will

Post by Luc The Perverse

Post by hayman

Post by Luc The Perverse

Post by Midnight

Post by hayman

Post by Midnight
soon run out.

<SNIP>
don't toppost :)

top post ? bah! how else would I of gotten their attention ? By
letting it waste away at the bottom ? That's good logic right there

in

Post by Luc The Perverse

Post by hayman

Post by Luc The Perverse

Post by Midnight
the making.

Wow. You read the "don't top post" message - which was miraculously

not

Post by hayman

Post by Luc The Perverse
top posted
-LTP
:)

It's amazing isn't it,you thought he wouldn't notice but he did.

Is this message addressing me, or the aforementioned top poster?

neither and both, its not adressed to anyone, just a thought of a member of
the Idiot Race
:P
hayman

Idiot race ? understatement ? wit is something which is earnt and
not give hayman... in truth you didn't understand it

- Stephen 'Midnight' D.
***@iggs.net
Shout-Out Gaming & Global Clan Directory Staff
http://www.shoutoutgaming.com
http://www.globalclandirectory.com

[hayman]

Post by Midnight

Post by hayman

Post by Luc The Perverse

Post by hayman

Post by Luc The Perverse

Post by Midnight

Post by hayman

Post by Midnight
Some people have gotten it easy up to here, however that time

will

Post by Luc The Perverse

Post by hayman

Post by Luc The Perverse

Post by Midnight

Post by hayman

Post by Midnight
soon run out.

<SNIP>
don't toppost :)

top post ? bah! how else would I of gotten their attention ? By
letting it waste away at the bottom ? That's good logic right there

in

Post by Luc The Perverse

Post by hayman

Post by Luc The Perverse

Post by Midnight
the making.

Wow. You read the "don't top post" message - which was miraculously

not

Post by hayman

Post by Luc The Perverse
top posted
-LTP
:)

It's amazing isn't it,you thought he wouldn't notice but he did.

Is this message addressing me, or the aforementioned top poster?

neither and both, its not adressed to anyone, just a thought of a member of
the Idiot Race
:P
hayman

Idiot race ? understatement ? wit is something which is earnt and
not give hayman... in truth you didn't understand it

sorry that my sarcasm is wasted on you... and thats a understatement!!
so you think you have wit, because you earned it?
plz elaborate what exactly I did not understand, because the only thing I
stated was that he should not toppost.

hayman.

[Midnight]

Post by Luc The Perverse

Post by Midnight

Post by hayman

Post by Luc The Perverse

Post by hayman

Post by Luc The Perverse

Post by Midnight

Post by hayman

Post by Midnight
Some people have gotten it easy up to here, however that time

will

Post by Luc The Perverse

Post by hayman

Post by Luc The Perverse

Post by Midnight

Post by hayman

Post by Midnight
soon run out.

<SNIP>
don't toppost :)

top post ? bah! how else would I of gotten their attention ? By
letting it waste away at the bottom ? That's good logic right

there

Post by Midnight

Post by hayman
in

Post by Luc The Perverse

Post by hayman

Post by Luc The Perverse

Post by Midnight
the making.

Wow. You read the "don't top post" message - which was

miraculously

Post by Midnight

Post by hayman

Post by Luc The Perverse
not

Post by hayman

Post by Luc The Perverse
top posted
-LTP
:)

It's amazing isn't it,you thought he wouldn't notice but he did.

Is this message addressing me, or the aforementioned top poster?

neither and both, its not adressed to anyone, just a thought of a member

of

Post by Midnight

Post by hayman
the Idiot Race
:P
hayman

Idiot race ? understatement ? wit is something which is earnt and
not give hayman... in truth you didn't understand it

sorry that my sarcasm is wasted on you... and thats a understatement!!
so you think you have wit, because you earned it?
plz elaborate what exactly I did not understand, because the only thing I
stated was that he should not toppost.
hayman.

Who said I earnt my wit ? I didn't say I earnt it, just merely stating
a point. As for your sarcasm, very dry indeed.

Besides, whats the problem with 'topposting' ? no harm will come of it
if people stopped posting 'Don't top post' message just as a reply.



- Stephen 'Midnight' D.
***@iggs.net
Shout-Out Gaming & Global Clan Directory Staff
http://www.shoutoutgaming.com
http://www.globalclandirectory.com

[Athanor]

Post by hayman

Post by Luc The Perverse

Post by Midnight

Post by hayman

Post by Midnight
Some people have gotten it easy up to here, however that time will
soon run out.

<SNIP>
don't toppost :)

top post ? bah! how else would I of gotten their attention ? By
letting it waste away at the bottom ? That's good logic right there in
the making.

Wow. You read the "don't top post" message - which was miraculously not
top posted
-LTP
:)

It's amazing isn't it,you thought he wouldn't notice but he did.
hayman

[hayman]

Post by hayman

Post by Luc The Perverse

Post by Midnight

Post by hayman

Post by Midnight
Some people have gotten it easy up to here, however that time will
soon run out.

<SNIP>
don't toppost :)

top post ? bah! how else would I of gotten their attention ? By
letting it waste away at the bottom ? That's good logic right there in
the making.

Wow. You read the "don't top post" message - which was miraculously

not

Post by hayman

Post by Luc The Perverse
top posted
-LTP
:)

It's amazing isn't it,you thought he wouldn't notice but he did.
hayman

YES, what do you need Athanor???

hayman

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