The Seal of Ascension soloable?

[nacree]

Is any part of this soloable by a 60lvl GM rogue?

[Rene]

Post by nacree
Is any part of this soloable by a 60lvl GM rogue?

Only the part to get the quest or later turning it in, which means
stealth trough LBRS to Vaelan (aka the Scarshield Infiltrator aka
Vaelastrasz)

Theoretically you can solo murder some random mobs until the unadorned
seal of ascension drops. It was rather rare but ever since 1.11 its
droprate seems to have increased dramatically. On any full LBRs run
about 10-30 drop now, whereas you were lucky if you saw one or two before.

The gems needed for it drop only at the bosses, the Ogre, Voone and
Wyrmthalak (at the "end" of LBRS) so I doubt they are soloable.

And neither is the smelting of the seal soloable where you'll need some
help to get emberstrife into the 10% HP range to mind control him.


The question I have now is: The seal is used to open the UBRS door,
which is an instance you move in with 10 people. Why is it relevant to
be able to open that door solo ? It's for a group anyway. Or do you just
want a ring with some resistencies?

CU

René

[Babe Bridou]

Post by Rene
The question I have now is: The seal is used to open the UBRS door,
which is an instance you move in with 10 people. Why is it relevant to
be able to open that door solo ? It's for a group anyway. Or do you just
want a ring with some resistencies?

My question now!

So in order to get the key to Onyxia as a Hordey you need the head of
Rend. In order to get the head of Rend you need the Seal of Ascension.
In order to get the Seal of Ascension you need to kill Emberstrife.

You do all that, and then you go talk to Rexxar who sends you to a
gnome witch in WPL, bring her some dragon whelp eyes, then... go visit
Emberstrife.

*scratches head*

[PGerringer]

Post by Babe Bridou

Post by Rene
The question I have now is: The seal is used to open the UBRS door,
which is an instance you move in with 10 people. Why is it relevant to
be able to open that door solo ? It's for a group anyway. Or do you just
want a ring with some resistencies?

My question now!
So in order to get the key to Onyxia as a Hordey you need the head of
Rend. In order to get the head of Rend you need the Seal of Ascension.
In order to get the Seal of Ascension you need to kill Emberstrife.
You do all that, and then you go talk to Rexxar who sends you to a
gnome witch in WPL, bring her some dragon whelp eyes, then... go visit
Emberstrife.
*scratches head*

The horde quest for the Ony key is a long one that involves several
trips to UBRS (Eyes, Rend's head, and Drakks blood.) But before you do
that is a quest called Warlord's Command that involves killing all the
main bosses in LBRS. While in LBRS, it is possible that you will get
the pieces for the UBRS key but it is not necessary as when it comes to
the UBRS parts of the quest, someone else can open the door.

But, if you want the UBRS key yourself, you need the Seal of Ascension
+ 3 gems and then you need to MC Emberstrife. You don't need to kill
him.

I've helped a person MC Emberstrife but haven't gotten that far with
either of my lvl 60 hordies. I've got the seal and one gem for each
but the other gems seem elusive. That and the fact that getting a
group for LBRS is akin to pulling teeth has kept me from my UBRS key
but not from downing Ony.

[AlphaWoolf]

On 10 Aug 2006 10:43:28 -0700, "PGerringer"

Post by PGerringer

Post by Babe Bridou

Post by Rene
The question I have now is: The seal is used to open the UBRS door,
which is an instance you move in with 10 people. Why is it relevant to
be able to open that door solo ? It's for a group anyway. Or do you just
want a ring with some resistencies?

My question now!
So in order to get the key to Onyxia as a Hordey you need the head of
Rend. In order to get the head of Rend you need the Seal of Ascension.
In order to get the Seal of Ascension you need to kill Emberstrife.
You do all that, and then you go talk to Rexxar who sends you to a
gnome witch in WPL, bring her some dragon whelp eyes, then... go visit
Emberstrife.
*scratches head*

The horde quest for the Ony key is a long one that involves several
trips to UBRS (Eyes, Rend's head, and Drakks blood.) But before you do
that is a quest called Warlord's Command that involves killing all the
main bosses in LBRS. While in LBRS, it is possible that you will get
the pieces for the UBRS key but it is not necessary as when it comes to
the UBRS parts of the quest, someone else can open the door.
But, if you want the UBRS key yourself, you need the Seal of Ascension
+ 3 gems and then you need to MC Emberstrife. You don't need to kill
him.
I've helped a person MC Emberstrife but haven't gotten that far with
either of my lvl 60 hordies. I've got the seal and one gem for each
but the other gems seem elusive. That and the fact that getting a
group for LBRS is akin to pulling teeth has kept me from my UBRS key
but not from downing Ony.

And this shows the poor design of the UBRS key quest. On an
established server finding someone to walk in and open the door is
pretty easy, such that many (most?) new characters don't even try to
get the key (myself included). There's 2 ways to fix this:

1. Require everyone have an UBRS key to get into UBRS, just like Ony.
Ironically it's easier to get keyed for Ony than UBRS, IMO. Yes Ony
takes a while and a lot of running around but the drop rates on the
LBRS gems is brutally low. And no one wants to run LBRS often because
it's long and relatively hard compared to the rewards available. If
WLC didn't require it I doubt anyone would run LBRS at all. There
aren't any especially remarkable drops in there, although the two pet
quests are cool (but again one run is sufficient to finish both pet
quests).

or

2. Fix the gem drops like they fixed the Warlord's Command docs - let
everyone in the party get the item. A low drop rate combined with a
worst-case 1/5 chance to actually get a gem if it drops means many,
many LBRS runs to get keyed.

Gnuthulhu, Undead Warlock
Fthagn, Undead Warrior
Rhyleya, Troll Hunter
Thunderhorn,US
Remove your coat for email.

[JohnR]

Post by AlphaWoolf
On 10 Aug 2006 10:43:28 -0700, "PGerringer"

Post by PGerringer

Post by Babe Bridou

Post by Rene
The question I have now is: The seal is used to open the UBRS door,
which is an instance you move in with 10 people. Why is it relevant to
be able to open that door solo ? It's for a group anyway. Or do you just
want a ring with some resistencies?

My question now!
So in order to get the key to Onyxia as a Hordey you need the head of
Rend. In order to get the head of Rend you need the Seal of Ascension.
In order to get the Seal of Ascension you need to kill Emberstrife.
You do all that, and then you go talk to Rexxar who sends you to a
gnome witch in WPL, bring her some dragon whelp eyes, then... go visit
Emberstrife.
*scratches head*

The horde quest for the Ony key is a long one that involves several
trips to UBRS (Eyes, Rend's head, and Drakks blood.) But before you do
that is a quest called Warlord's Command that involves killing all the
main bosses in LBRS. While in LBRS, it is possible that you will get
the pieces for the UBRS key but it is not necessary as when it comes to
the UBRS parts of the quest, someone else can open the door.
But, if you want the UBRS key yourself, you need the Seal of Ascension
+ 3 gems and then you need to MC Emberstrife. You don't need to kill
him.
I've helped a person MC Emberstrife but haven't gotten that far with
either of my lvl 60 hordies. I've got the seal and one gem for each
but the other gems seem elusive. That and the fact that getting a
group for LBRS is akin to pulling teeth has kept me from my UBRS key
but not from downing Ony.

And this shows the poor design of the UBRS key quest. On an
established server finding someone to walk in and open the door is
pretty easy, such that many (most?) new characters don't even try to
1. Require everyone have an UBRS key to get into UBRS, just like Ony.
Ironically it's easier to get keyed for Ony than UBRS, IMO. Yes Ony
takes a while and a lot of running around but the drop rates on the
LBRS gems is brutally low. And no one wants to run LBRS often because
it's long and relatively hard compared to the rewards available. If
WLC didn't require it I doubt anyone would run LBRS at all. There
aren't any especially remarkable drops in there, although the two pet
quests are cool (but again one run is sufficient to finish both pet
quests).
or
2. Fix the gem drops like they fixed the Warlord's Command docs - let
everyone in the party get the item. A low drop rate combined with a
worst-case 1/5 chance to actually get a gem if it drops means many,
many LBRS runs to get keyed.

Well I'm of the opinion that too much in the game now is far too easy and
that much of the great journey is gone, the game's difficulty (and appeal
imo) is slowly being diluted to cater for the lowest common denominators.

[AlphaWoolf]

Post by JohnR

Post by AlphaWoolf
On 10 Aug 2006 10:43:28 -0700, "PGerringer"

Post by PGerringer

Post by Babe Bridou

Post by Rene
The question I have now is: The seal is used to open the UBRS door,
which is an instance you move in with 10 people. Why is it relevant to
be able to open that door solo ? It's for a group anyway. Or do you just
want a ring with some resistencies?

My question now!
So in order to get the key to Onyxia as a Hordey you need the head of
Rend. In order to get the head of Rend you need the Seal of Ascension.
In order to get the Seal of Ascension you need to kill Emberstrife.
You do all that, and then you go talk to Rexxar who sends you to a
gnome witch in WPL, bring her some dragon whelp eyes, then... go visit
Emberstrife.
*scratches head*

The horde quest for the Ony key is a long one that involves several
trips to UBRS (Eyes, Rend's head, and Drakks blood.) But before you do
that is a quest called Warlord's Command that involves killing all the
main bosses in LBRS. While in LBRS, it is possible that you will get
the pieces for the UBRS key but it is not necessary as when it comes to
the UBRS parts of the quest, someone else can open the door.
But, if you want the UBRS key yourself, you need the Seal of Ascension
+ 3 gems and then you need to MC Emberstrife. You don't need to kill
him.
I've helped a person MC Emberstrife but haven't gotten that far with
either of my lvl 60 hordies. I've got the seal and one gem for each
but the other gems seem elusive. That and the fact that getting a
group for LBRS is akin to pulling teeth has kept me from my UBRS key
but not from downing Ony.

And this shows the poor design of the UBRS key quest. On an
established server finding someone to walk in and open the door is
pretty easy, such that many (most?) new characters don't even try to
1. Require everyone have an UBRS key to get into UBRS, just like Ony.
Ironically it's easier to get keyed for Ony than UBRS, IMO. Yes Ony
takes a while and a lot of running around but the drop rates on the
LBRS gems is brutally low. And no one wants to run LBRS often because
it's long and relatively hard compared to the rewards available. If
WLC didn't require it I doubt anyone would run LBRS at all. There
aren't any especially remarkable drops in there, although the two pet
quests are cool (but again one run is sufficient to finish both pet
quests).
or
2. Fix the gem drops like they fixed the Warlord's Command docs - let
everyone in the party get the item. A low drop rate combined with a
worst-case 1/5 chance to actually get a gem if it drops means many,
many LBRS runs to get keyed.

Well I'm of the opinion that too much in the game now is far too easy and
that much of the great journey is gone, the game's difficulty (and appeal
imo) is slowly being diluted to cater for the lowest common denominators.

Ok, I'll meet you halfway - Blizzard should make LBRS more fun. :)
For some reason that instance is such a slog to me.


Gnuthulhu, Undead Warlock
Fthagn, Undead Warrior
Rhyleya, Troll Hunter
Thunderhorn,US
Remove your coat for email.

[hans escher]

Babe Bridou

Post by Babe Bridou
So in order to get the key to Onyxia as a Hordey you need
the head of Rend. In order to get the head of Rend you need
the Seal of Ascension.
In order to get the Seal of Ascension you need to kill Emberstrife.
You do all that, and then you go talk to Rexxar who sends you to a
gnome witch in WPL, bring her some dragon whelp eyes, then...
go visit Emberstrife.
*scratches head*

The seal of ascension is in the same way semi needed for BWL
access, which is needed to kill the broodlord, which is needed
to get the quest chains from Anachronous from Brood of
Nozdornu.
Killing chronalis (just in front of anachronous) from Brood of
nozdornu is needed for the seal of ascension.

*scratches head too*

[Simon Nejmann]

On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:27:55 +0200, "hans escher"

Post by hans escher
The seal of ascension is in the same way semi needed for BWL
access, which is needed to kill the broodlord, which is needed
to get the quest chains from Anachronous from Brood of
Nozdornu.

Aye.

Post by hans escher
Killing chronalis (just in front of anachronous) from Brood of
nozdornu is needed for the seal of ascension.

Nay.
Killing Chronalis is a part of the Onyxia key quest (at least for
horde - dunno about alliance).

Chronalis isn't strictly on BoN faction either - he is still very
hostile even after Anachronos goes friendly.

[Rene]

Post by Babe Bridou

Post by Rene
The question I have now is: The seal is used to open the UBRS door,
which is an instance you move in with 10 people. Why is it relevant to
be able to open that door solo ? It's for a group anyway. Or do you just
want a ring with some resistencies?

My question now!
So in order to get the key to Onyxia as a Hordey you need the head of
Rend. In order to get the head of Rend you need the Seal of Ascension.
In order to get the Seal of Ascension you need to kill Emberstrife.
You do all that, and then you go talk to Rexxar who sends you to a
gnome witch in WPL, bring her some dragon whelp eyes, then... go visit
Emberstrife.

As others have commented, killing emberstrife for the seal is optional,
not necessary. Though probably everyone does it anyway. What you really
need to do is bring him below 10% then mindcontrol him. After that, you
can actually run out of the cave.

Then you gain access to UBRS. Then you can continue the Onyxia pre-quest
series which indeed does require getting some quests from emberstrife.

Then again, we're in a weekly timeloop anyway, because Onyxia always
stands up again :-)

Taken very strictly emberstrife should reset just as anachronos does
though, you're right in that (though you didn't say it actually :-) )

CU

René

[AlphaWoolf]

Post by Babe Bridou

Post by Rene
The question I have now is: The seal is used to open the UBRS door,
which is an instance you move in with 10 people. Why is it relevant to
be able to open that door solo ? It's for a group anyway. Or do you just
want a ring with some resistencies?

My question now!
So in order to get the key to Onyxia as a Hordey you need the head of
Rend. In order to get the head of Rend you need the Seal of Ascension.
In order to get the Seal of Ascension you need to kill Emberstrife.
You do all that, and then you go talk to Rexxar who sends you to a
gnome witch in WPL, bring her some dragon whelp eyes, then... go visit
Emberstrife.
*scratches head*

Well this is only made possible by being on an established server
where UBRS keys are fairly common. Otherwise you'd have to slog
through LBRS enough to get the key made before you take on Rend for
the 2nd portion of the Ony key quest line. Nowadays it's pretty easy
to short-circuit the chain of events and skip the UBRS key entirely.

Gnuthulhu, Undead Warlock
Fthagn, Undead Warrior
Rhyleya, Troll Hunter
Thunderhorn,US
Remove your coat for email.

[AlphaWoolf]

Post by Rene

Post by nacree
Is any part of this soloable by a 60lvl GM rogue?

Only the part to get the quest or later turning it in, which means
stealth trough LBRS to Vaelan (aka the Scarshield Infiltrator aka
Vaelastrasz)

Almost anyone can solo this part. Once you reach the ledge Vaelan is
on, the mobs chasing you will stop, stuck at the 1 inch bump in the
surface. :)

Post by Rene
Theoretically you can solo murder some random mobs until the unadorned
seal of ascension drops. It was rather rare but ever since 1.11 its
droprate seems to have increased dramatically. On any full LBRs run
about 10-30 drop now, whereas you were lucky if you saw one or two before.

The Unadorned Seal also now drops off the orcs just outside the
instance.

Post by Rene
The gems needed for it drop only at the bosses, the Ogre, Voone and
Wyrmthalak (at the "end" of LBRS) so I doubt they are soloable.

/sigh This quest is such a pain with the low drop rate and
competition. One of my 3 chars struggled through it and as long as he
can run over to BRM and bail out a group the other 2 may be in I don't
have much incentive to do it again.

Post by Rene
And neither is the smelting of the seal soloable where you'll need some
help to get emberstrife into the 10% HP range to mind control him.

Definitely not soloable, and rather tricky to get done, but the most
fun of the whole quest. Last time I was in there with my dragon
disguise to talk to him for the Ony quest chain there was another
group there to control/kill him for the seal. Pretty funny having a
queue at the boss.


Gnuthulhu, Undead Warlock
Fthagn, Undead Warrior
Rhyleya, Troll Hunter
Thunderhorn,US
Remove your coat for email.

[Jimbob]

Post by AlphaWoolf

Post by Rene
Only the part to get the quest or later turning it in, which means
stealth trough LBRS to Vaelan (aka the Scarshield Infiltrator aka
Vaelastrasz)

Almost anyone can solo this part. Once you reach the ledge Vaelan is
on, the mobs chasing you will stop, stuck at the 1 inch bump in the
surface. :)

I tried that with my Mage, i always died just before reaching the
ledge, even with some nice frost nova's/blinking etc. Although i didn't
use any pots so i guess it *could* be done.

[AlphaWoolf]

Post by Jimbob

Post by AlphaWoolf

Post by Rene
Only the part to get the quest or later turning it in, which means
stealth trough LBRS to Vaelan (aka the Scarshield Infiltrator aka
Vaelastrasz)

Almost anyone can solo this part. Once you reach the ledge Vaelan is
on, the mobs chasing you will stop, stuck at the 1 inch bump in the
surface. :)

I tried that with my Mage, i always died just before reaching the
ledge, even with some nice frost nova's/blinking etc. Although i didn't
use any pots so i guess it *could* be done.

I'm surprised. If you're having trouble surviving, get a buddy to run
ahead of you and take some of the initial hits and aggro. Point is,
you don't have to clear to Vaelan to talk to him. Once you're up
there you're safe.

Gnuthulhu, Undead Warlock
Fthagn, Undead Warrior
Rhyleya, Troll Hunter
Thunderhorn,US
Remove your coat for email.