Un'Goro Crater and leveling

[John Salerno]

Ok, I hit 50 last night and seem to have three prospects at the moment:
Un'Goro Crater, Western Plaguelands, and Felwood. Now, the Felwood quest
I have (sort of an intro to the zone) is labeled 52, so I plan to wait a
few levels. I decided to start in Un'Goro and try to get as much done
there before moving on to WP. But after getting to Marshall's Refuge, I
only got 8 quests for the zone so far, and the lowest level they are is
51. Others are even higher.

So I'm wondering, is it possible to level up to around 52-53 just in
Un'Goro? I can probably easily do most of these quests, but I fear is
once I hit those actual levels, then I'll have already done the quests
and won't have anything appropriate to my level. I seem to always be
doing quests 1-2 levels above me rather than below or equal.

Does WP have a lot of early 50s quests? Should I just go there after
doing the lower Un'Goro quests, or will more open up to me soon? (I
figure even if some of the ones I have are chains, they'll only lead to
even higher levels later.)

Thanks.

[drowland]

Un'Goro Crater, Western Plaguelands, and Felwood. Now, the Felwood quest I
have (sort of an intro to the zone) is labeled 52, so I plan to wait a few
levels. I decided to start in Un'Goro and try to get as much done there
before moving on to WP. But after getting to Marshall's Refuge, I only got
8 quests for the zone so far, and the lowest level they are is 51. Others
are even higher.
So I'm wondering, is it possible to level up to around 52-53 just in
Un'Goro? I can probably easily do most of these quests, but I fear is once
I hit those actual levels, then I'll have already done the quests and
won't have anything appropriate to my level. I seem to always be doing
quests 1-2 levels above me rather than below or equal.
Does WP have a lot of early 50s quests? Should I just go there after doing
the lower Un'Goro quests, or will more open up to me soon? (I figure even
if some of the ones I have are chains, they'll only lead to even higher
levels later.)

There are a few low-50's quests you can do in Blasted Lands (the quests for
the various 'drugs' from the blood elves, right by the zone entrance). Do
the low 50's quests in Un'goro that you can, if you still need more head to
Felwood - the mobs there start at L47-48 so you can do some of the quests
there around the southern Deadwood Village area. From my experience on my
troll hunter, WPL has a very rough start for horde - the quest that asks you
to torch the scarlet crusade's tent and a couple other things...ugghh. I
could not manage to solo that at my low 50's, there's just too many adds and
pats and mobs with pets and casters and healers around that tent, you can't
help but pull 5-6 or more when you try to clear the tent area, and with the
varying types (melee, ranged, pets, casters, healers) it's a nightmare. And
you have to work fast, when I did manage to kill two mobs, then feign death
and let my pet bite it, by the time I'd ate/drank up, rezzed the pet, fed
the pet, drank up again, one of the mobs had respawned already and the next
one about 30s later repopped. Get a L70 guildie/friend to help you do that
one quest, or group with a random stranger who's also doing it. After that
you should be able to handle solo the lower level content in WPL. But yeah,
the low 50's are rough for finding quests to do...there's a couple (read:
very very few) for horde in Azshara too. There's even a couple q's given to
horde at the ALLIANCE flightpath in Azshara. Just steer clear of the guards
and don't accidentally attack the griffon master :)

If you're inclined to grinding at all, the scourge cauldron fields in WPL
are an amazingly awesome place to grind. Endless mobs, respawns sufficient
to match anybody's killing rate, and a side benefit of gaining tons of AD
rep. I've known many people that grind all the way from 50-60 on the
cauldron fields alone, and often end up revered or beyond with Argent Dawn
by the time they're done (save all your scourgestones until you're 5999/6000
friendly - you stop gaining rep from mob kills in WPL then). Heck the fields
can even support two people grinding per field due to the respawn rate, as
long as one of them isn't an AE mage with a pocket healer or a very very
good hedgehog paladin :)

I think that whenever I get a next toon to 50, I'm gonna try the grind route
in those fields from 50-60. That will be my hedgehog paladin (46 now), and
doing those fields on a hedgehog pally will be lots and lots of fun :) :) :)

Thankfully, I believe they fixed the one mob type in gahron's withering that
applies a -stamina debuff. It used to incorrectly stack. Now it just renews
the debuff timer when it gets applied again. I hated being down 2000hp when
grinding there on a class that can't cleanse :(

[John Salerno]

Post by drowland
very very few) for horde in Azshara too. There's even a couple q's given to
horde at the ALLIANCE flightpath in Azshara. Just steer clear of the guards
and don't accidentally attack the griffon master :)

Yeah, did those already. :) They are around 47-48. And just for kicks, I
ran up to every one of the NPCs at the outpost and they didn't attack,
so I suppose it's more of a neutral place.

Post by drowland
If you're inclined to grinding at all

So far I haven't had to. I'd prefer to do it only if I really wanted a
drop. I can't imagine pure grinding to gain levels. I spent probably not
even an hour on harpies last night for a quest and I was already going
crazy...but I guess that's because I wasn't in the grind mindset as much
as "please let the item drop" :) (although ironically I wanted to get
to 50 before doing anything else, and that really helped a lot)

[Code2]

Post by drowland
in those fields from 50-60. That will be my hedgehog paladin (46 now), and

I've seen "hedgehog" paladin referred to here several times. Would
you mind explaining what type of spec this is?
Thanks!

[Thomas Jespersen]

Post by Code2
I've seen "hedgehog" paladin referred to here several times. Would
you mind explaining what type of spec this is?

Not that I know a lot about paladins, but the hedgehog is explained in
here:

http://tinyurl.com/2y63ln

The idea is that the paladin reflects as much damage as possible while
taking as little damage as possible himself. Check the videos it seems to
be pretty effective :)

[drowland]

Post by Thomas Jespersen

Post by Code2
I've seen "hedgehog" paladin referred to here several times. Would
you mind explaining what type of spec this is?

Not that I know a lot about paladins, but the hedgehog is explained in
http://tinyurl.com/2y63ln
The idea is that the paladin reflects as much damage as possible while
taking as little damage as possible himself. Check the videos it seems to
be pretty effective :)

It's incredibly fun too. I've only played one level of hedgehogging on my
pally (45->46) but it is alot of fun to be able to fight 4-6 mobs at a time
and up to 12 or more chained together without pausing. It's increasingly
frustrating tho how many other players will try to come to your rescue when
they see you surrounded!

[John Salerno]

Post by drowland

Post by Thomas Jespersen

Post by Code2
I've seen "hedgehog" paladin referred to here several times. Would
you mind explaining what type of spec this is?

Not that I know a lot about paladins, but the hedgehog is explained in
http://tinyurl.com/2y63ln
The idea is that the paladin reflects as much damage as possible while
taking as little damage as possible himself. Check the videos it seems to
be pretty effective :)

It's incredibly fun too. I've only played one level of hedgehogging on my
pally (45->46) but it is alot of fun to be able to fight 4-6 mobs at a time
and up to 12 or more chained together without pausing. It's increasingly
frustrating tho how many other players will try to come to your rescue when
they see you surrounded!

Is this something new? Why did it take so long to hit on this build? Or
am I just way behind? :)

[Catriona R]

Post by John Salerno
Is this something new? Why did it take so long to hit on this build? Or
am I just way behind? :)

I never heard of it till a few weeks back when I asked for build tips and
someone suggested it... it seems to have taken off here, lots of people
trying it on their pally alts ;-) Mine's going to try it too shortly, just
need to get a shield spike then I'm respeccing :-)

[Matt McLeod]

Post by John Salerno
Is this something new? Why did it take so long to hit on this build? Or
am I just way behind? :)

I *think* it may be that the 2.0 talent changes made it viable,
though I honestly don't remember what Protection was like pre-2.0.
And it's not an entirely obvious way to do things as a paladin until
someone points it out. So there were probably a few people doing it
quietly, and then someone posted videos and off it went.

Matt

[Matt]

Post by Matt McLeod

Post by John Salerno
Is this something new? Why did it take so long to hit on this build? Or
am I just way behind? :)

I *think* it may be that the 2.0 talent changes made it viable,
though I honestly don't remember what Protection was like pre-2.0.

Basically it was change in Reckoning. Before 2.0 it provided one
additional attack after being critically hit by enemy. It could stack
up to 5 times and all stored attacks were used on your next strike. It
was much more PvP talent than it is now.

Self-healing by hedgehog-style paladin relies on additional Seal/
Judgment of Light procs, Reckoning in pre-2.0 version was too
unreliable to provide it.

On a side note: When reckoning was introduced, it had no limit to
stored attacks number. So, a clever paladin dueled for 4 (or was it
8?) hours with two rogues, stored a couple thousand attacks and then
soloed Lord Kazzak. Reckoning was hotfixed to 5 attacks limit next
day :)

--
Regards
Matt

[Gaz]

Post by Matt
On a side note: When reckoning was introduced, it had no limit to
stored attacks number. So, a clever paladin dueled for 4 (or was it
8?) hours with two rogues, stored a couple thousand attacks and then
soloed Lord Kazzak. Reckoning was hotfixed to 5 attacks limit next
day :)

Haha, I haven't laughed that hard from a Warcraft story for a long time.
Excellent stuff.

[Catriona R]

Post by Matt
On a side note: When reckoning was introduced, it had no limit to
stored attacks number. So, a clever paladin dueled for 4 (or was it
8?) hours with two rogues, stored a couple thousand attacks and then
soloed Lord Kazzak. Reckoning was hotfixed to 5 attacks limit next
day :)

Lol, I love it! :-)

[unknown]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:52:05 GMT, "drowland"

Post by drowland

Post by Thomas Jespersen

Post by Code2
I've seen "hedgehog" paladin referred to here several times. Would
you mind explaining what type of spec this is?

Not that I know a lot about paladins, but the hedgehog is explained in
http://tinyurl.com/2y63ln
The idea is that the paladin reflects as much damage as possible while
taking as little damage as possible himself. Check the videos it seems to
be pretty effective :)

It's incredibly fun too. I've only played one level of hedgehogging on my
pally (45->46) but it is alot of fun to be able to fight 4-6 mobs at a time
and up to 12 or more chained together without pausing. It's increasingly
frustrating tho how many other players will try to come to your rescue when
they see you surrounded!

the above address gives me an error message. I'd like to see this as
I have a lvl 21 dwarf paladin

[Thomas Jespersen]

Post by unknown
the above address gives me an error message. I'd like to see this as
I have a lvl 21 dwarf paladin

The official site is sometimes down. Try again. I just tested and it worked

[unknown]

On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 01:58:08 +0200, Thomas Jespersen

Post by Thomas Jespersen

Post by unknown
the above address gives me an error message. I'd like to see this as
I have a lvl 21 dwarf paladin

The official site is sometimes down. Try again. I just tested and it worked

this is the message i'm getting

wow.web.forums.error500.message???

[Matt McLeod]

Thomas Jespersen <***@gmail.com> wrote:
[hedgehog paladin]

Post by Thomas Jespersen
The idea is that the paladin reflects as much damage as possible while
taking as little damage as possible himself. Check the videos it seems to
be pretty effective :)

It's very effective for grinding or for quests where you need to
kill a lot of stuff. As a bonus it's basically a tanking spec so
if you want to tank in instances then you're all set.

Turns out I hate grinding. Doing exactly the same thing over and
over again for an hour or three bores me silly. So while it really
is very very effective at what it does, I wound up speccing out of
it again fairly quickly.

Matt

[Barry Freeman]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:11:13 GMT, "drowland"

Post by drowland
could not manage to solo that at my low 50's, there's just too many adds and
pats and mobs with pets and casters and healers around that tent, you can't
help but pull 5-6 or more when you try to clear the tent area, and with the
varying types (melee, ranged, pets, casters, healers) it's a nightmare. And
you have to work fast, when I did manage to kill two mobs, then feign death
and let my pet bite it, by the time I'd ate/drank up, rezzed the pet, fed
the pet, drank up again, one of the mobs had respawned already and the next
one about 30s later repopped.

Nope, it's fairly easy... done it solo on Hunter, Warlock, Mage,
Warrior and Rogue.

You do NOT need to clear the area, only one side of the tent. You only
need to get to within 5 yards or so of the tent itself, so it';s easy
to pull the ones at the back and one side (nearest the trees, IIRC),
max of 3 or 4 mobs. Nip in, torch the bugger and plant the flag.

Of course, the cauldron quests gave various characters fits... the
freezing wotsits were horrible to my frost mage...
--
Bazz
Moonglade - Horde
Zunafrex - 65 Troll Hunter
Malsis - 66 Orc Warlock
Zasufex - 60 Troll Mage
Malshakh - 58 Orc Warrior
Verdant - 40 Troll Shaman
Dhusidhe - 52 Blood Elf Rogue
Kaitleen - 27 Blood Elf Hunter
Théa - 16 Blood Elf Priest
Belafon - 17 Blood Elf Paladin

Moodglade - Alliance
Bazz - 22 Human Warlock

[Thomas Jespersen]

Post by John Salerno
So I'm wondering, is it possible to level up to around 52-53 just in
Un'Goro? I can probably easily do most of these quests, but I fear is
once I hit those actual levels, then I'll have already done the quests
and won't have anything appropriate to my level. I seem to always be
doing quests 1-2 levels above me rather than below or equal.

I think you can get a few levels worth of quests in Un'Goro. The Linken
chain-quest:

http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=3844

can be timeconsuming because you travel a lot but you get a lot of xp while
doing it.

Post by John Salerno
Does WP have a lot of early 50s quests? Should I just go there after
doing the lower Un'Goro quests, or will more open up to me soon? (I
figure even if some of the ones I have are chains, they'll only lead to
even higher levels later.)

If you don't mind grinding a bit, Sorrow Hill in WPL is ok for low-50's
chars. You get tons of runecloth so you can make a bit cash as well. The
cauldron quests will probably be a bit tough for a 50. Perhaps the first of
them can be completed, but the last has to wait several levels. Don't rule
out The Hinterlands either. There are several good grind-quests there, and
if you are horde you should try to get a group to do the elite-quests in
Hinterlands and they all take place the same spot there and that is a level
worth of xp I guess.

[Thomas Jespersen]

Post by Thomas Jespersen
If you don't mind grinding a bit, Sorrow Hill in WPL is ok for low-50's
chars. You get tons of runecloth so you can make a bit cash as well. The

I forgot that before you do anything in WPL/EPL make sure you get your
Argent Dawn Commission before you start killing things:

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=12846

[John Salerno]

Post by Thomas Jespersen

Post by Thomas Jespersen
If you don't mind grinding a bit, Sorrow Hill in WPL is ok for low-50's
chars. You get tons of runecloth so you can make a bit cash as well. The

I forgot that before you do anything in WPL/EPL make sure you get your
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=12846

Thanks for the heads up! What do I get for rep with AD though? I've read
it's useless now that TBC is out....

[Thomas Jespersen]

Post by John Salerno
Thanks for the heads up! What do I get for rep with AD though? I've read
it's useless now that TBC is out....

That might be true, but if you are killing the mobs anyway, I see no reason
not to get rep with them. It's just an easy turn-in quest, and you find
tons of those scourgestones while questing there.

[Catriona R]

Post by John Salerno

Post by Thomas Jespersen

Post by Thomas Jespersen
If you don't mind grinding a bit, Sorrow Hill in WPL is ok for low-50's
chars. You get tons of runecloth so you can make a bit cash as well. The

I forgot that before you do anything in WPL/EPL make sure you get your
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=12846

Thanks for the heads up! What do I get for rep with AD though? I've read
it's useless now that TBC is out....

Not entirely useless, they still have the only high level antivenom recipe
(and that is pretty useful, some Outland mobs have annoying poisons), and
some other recipes for various professions which are nice to have, even if
there's better higher up.

[John Salerno]

Post by Thomas Jespersen

Post by John Salerno
So I'm wondering, is it possible to level up to around 52-53 just in
Un'Goro? I can probably easily do most of these quests, but I fear is
once I hit those actual levels, then I'll have already done the quests
and won't have anything appropriate to my level. I seem to always be
doing quests 1-2 levels above me rather than below or equal.

I think you can get a few levels worth of quests in Un'Goro. The Linken
http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=3844

Looks like you need to be 52 to get this chain. My problem is *getting*
to 52 :)

[Thomas Jespersen]

Post by John Salerno
Looks like you need to be 52 to get this chain. My problem is *getting*
to 52 :)

Ahh, didn't notice that :)

Well, if you have not been to Hinterlands that's what I recommend. And get
a group and do the elite quests as well (although it can be difficult to
find a group, I think those quests are well worth it).

[John Salerno]

Post by Thomas Jespersen

Post by John Salerno
Looks like you need to be 52 to get this chain. My problem is *getting*
to 52 :)

Ahh, didn't notice that :)
Well, if you have not been to Hinterlands that's what I recommend. And get
a group and do the elite quests as well (although it can be difficult to
find a group, I think those quests are well worth it).

Yeah did all those...not fun! Tonight I'll get to 51 by turning in some
quests, problem is I've now finished *all* the Un'Goro quests in my log,
even the ones marked level 55. So hopefully some of these will lead to more.

[Urbin]

Post by John Salerno

Post by Thomas Jespersen

Post by John Salerno
So I'm wondering, is it possible to level up to around 52-53 just in
Un'Goro? I can probably easily do most of these quests, but I fear is
once I hit those actual levels, then I'll have already done the quests
and won't have anything appropriate to my level. I seem to always be
doing quests 1-2 levels above me rather than below or equal.

I think you can get a few levels worth of quests in Un'Goro. The Linken
http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=3844

Looks like you need to be 52 to get this chain. My problem is *getting*
to 52 :)

Have you been to Searing Gorge yet? You're probably a bit on the high side
(I think they are mostly around 47/48) but there are plenty of cool quests
to be done there.

Or, as others have pointed out, the hinterlands are a nice spot around 50,
though there are not too many quests on alliance side. Blasted lands is
pretty good around 50ish, too.

However, I reckon Un'Goro at 50 should not pose too much of a problem and
Felwood should be feasible as well. Don't fear to run out of quests once you
are at 52, you then have the rest of Felwood, all of Winterspring, WPL, EPL,
Burning Steppes, Silithus and then there is the dark portal open to you once
you reach 58 though you should easily be able to reach 60 just in Azertoh.

Cheers
Urbin

[Einstine]

Ok, I hit 50 last night and seem to have three prospects at the moment: Un'Goro Crater, Western Plaguelands, and Felwood. Now, the
Felwood quest I have (sort of an intro to the zone) is labeled 52, so I plan to wait a few levels. I decided to start in Un'Goro
and try to get as much done there before moving on to WP. But after getting to Marshall's Refuge, I only got 8 quests for the zone
so far, and the lowest level they are is 51. Others are even higher.
So I'm wondering, is it possible to level up to around 52-53 just in Un'Goro? I can probably easily do most of these quests, but I
fear is once I hit those actual levels, then I'll have already done the quests and won't have anything appropriate to my level. I
seem to always be doing quests 1-2 levels above me rather than below or equal.
Does WP have a lot of early 50s quests? Should I just go there after doing the lower Un'Goro quests, or will more open up to me
soon? (I figure even if some of the ones I have are chains, they'll only lead to even higher levels later.)
Thanks.

What about Burning Steppes? If you bounce between 3 zones you can
keep leveling and keep quest levels fairly consistent.

[Slice]

Un'Goro Crater, Western Plaguelands, and Felwood. Now, the Felwood quest I
have (sort of an intro to the zone) is labeled 52, so I plan to wait a few
levels. I decided to start in Un'Goro and try to get as much done there
before moving on to WP. But after getting to Marshall's Refuge, I only got
8 quests for the zone so far, and the lowest level they are is 51. Others
are even higher.
So I'm wondering, is it possible to level up to around 52-53 just in
Un'Goro? I can probably easily do most of these quests, but I fear is once
I hit those actual levels, then I'll have already done the quests and
won't have anything appropriate to my level. I seem to always be doing
quests 1-2 levels above me rather than below or equal.
Does WP have a lot of early 50s quests? Should I just go there after doing
the lower Un'Goro quests, or will more open up to me soon? (I figure even
if some of the ones I have are chains, they'll only lead to even higher
levels later.)
Thanks.

Have you cleared Azhara? Not a boatload of quests, but easier for a 50 than
Ungoro.

[John Salerno]

Post by Slice

Un'Goro Crater, Western Plaguelands, and Felwood. Now, the Felwood quest I
have (sort of an intro to the zone) is labeled 52, so I plan to wait a few
levels. I decided to start in Un'Goro and try to get as much done there
before moving on to WP. But after getting to Marshall's Refuge, I only got
8 quests for the zone so far, and the lowest level they are is 51. Others
are even higher.
So I'm wondering, is it possible to level up to around 52-53 just in
Un'Goro? I can probably easily do most of these quests, but I fear is once
I hit those actual levels, then I'll have already done the quests and
won't have anything appropriate to my level. I seem to always be doing
quests 1-2 levels above me rather than below or equal.
Does WP have a lot of early 50s quests? Should I just go there after doing
the lower Un'Goro quests, or will more open up to me soon? (I figure even
if some of the ones I have are chains, they'll only lead to even higher
levels later.)
Thanks.

Have you cleared Azhara? Not a boatload of quests, but easier for a 50 than
Ungoro.

Yeah I might try there tonight. I have a hunter quest there anyway.

[Barry Freeman]

Post by Slice
Have you cleared Azhara? Not a boatload of quests, but easier for a 50 than
Ungoro.

YEs, I forgot that one as well... there's that one wher you look for
the glowing colored stones... easy to do, then travel to all the
cities collecting the payment... loads of XP when you complete it.
--
Bazz
Moonglade - Horde
Zunafrex - 65 Troll Hunter
Malsis - 66 Orc Warlock
Zasufex - 60 Troll Mage
Malshakh - 58 Orc Warrior
Verdant - 40 Troll Shaman
Dhusidhe - 52 Blood Elf Rogue
Kaitleen - 27 Blood Elf Hunter
Théa - 16 Blood Elf Priest
Belafon - 17 Blood Elf Paladin

Moodglade - Alliance
Bazz - 22 Human Warlock